United States Politics: The Final Election Ever

[Besticus Maximus]

I always assumed the maga lot fully understood that the whole thing was an extension of russian foreign policy.

[Nintex]

I always assumed the maga lot fully understood that the whole thing was an extension of russian foreign policy.

Last time the extensive investigation of the agencies concluded that Don Jr., Jared Kushner and the rest of them had no idea the people they were hanging out with were foreign agents.

With that said, Benny Johnson, Tim Pool etc. are mostly seen as 'cringe' hanger ons and not realy MAGA. 
Some of them jumped ship from Trump to DeSantis and back and are cast out from the group.

Trump admitted to RFK Jr. that in 2016 he did not know who to trust in Washington, trusted some of the wrong people and was not prepared to govern but that he now knows all the players better than anyone.

With his friends like Rudy losing his marbles or ending up dead like Herman Cain, it seems that his inner circle is currently Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., Vance, Eric Trump, Don Jr. and Barron Trump. Some say that he did 'learn his lesson' because he tossed Project 2025 under the bus and wanted to bring Kellyanne Conway back but decided not to after learning she is lobbying for foreign governments, instead opting for Lewandowski. 

[Besticus Maximus]

Problem with that is the only explanation for Vance, Gabbard and Musk being on board is that the entire thing is an extension of russian foreign policy

It will be decades before we actually know the deal but everything with the trumpers from the beginning, including the 4chan meme farming bullshit, was Russian funded and stimulated

Musk's russian bullshit alone would be enough to raise eyebrows but I suppose the problem you have is what can you actually do about it without rounding up everyone who has took money from a russian

[benji]

Americans don't need foreign influence to be stupid, don't fall for conspiracy nonsense.

[chronovore]

https://www.conspicuouscognition.com/p/there-is-no-woke-mind-virus

According to Musk, he was “essentially tricked into signing documents” allowing his child to take puberty blockers, which “are actually just sterilization drugs.” This experience radicalised him: “I vowed to destroy the woke mind virus after that.”

Wild. That sentence makes Musk sound exactly the failed Bond Villain I've always suspected him to be.

[Besticus Maximus]

Americans don't need foreign influence to be stupid, don't fall for conspiracy nonsense.

They don't need it but that's the layer of organisation that they're incapable of fostering between themselves and in many cases the difference between something sticking and something not sticking.

The brexit lot used this line of argument too. Sure we're taking russian money, using russian channels and aligned with russian foreign policy and having dinner with all of these russians, but they just so happen to want what we want.

I get that you're invested in the idea of it all being impossible or absurd but the evidence is there across the world, not just in America. They've been agitating worldwide with the same tactics as part of their imperialist foreign policy. I don't understand why americans think they're above it all. They've got Pool and co bang to rights, so how come that bought and sold 'do my bidding' bullshit isn't happening with senators and congressmen and governors and whoever else?

[benji]

Nah, you're massively overexaggerating this completely ineffectual assortment of nobodies. The amount of people willing to just repeat lines they've heard other people say far outweighs any of this, so does the number of people who kneejerk react to anything the "other side" says. Tim Pool and all these other morons would have said this stuff without being paid, they do it every single day on every single topic, and that's why the entire plot was stupid as the Russians even complained constantly about. Just like during the Cold War they were under the false assumption that our media landscape is the same as theirs.

How in the world is the Russians throwing a few millions of dollars away on the world's stupidest plots supposed to influence anything? This is just like the 2016 claims, it's a completely laughable and naive claim on its face.

And just like the Cold War the absolute paranoia about foreigners operating nefarious brainwashing conspiracies based on nonsense is the far more dangerous thing and more likely to assist with any interests by animating blind xenophobia which reacts in predictable ways.

[Nintex]

Cenk for Trump

[Besticus Maximus]

Nah, you're massively overexaggerating this completely ineffectual assortment of nobodies. The amount of people willing to just repeat lines they've heard other people say far outweighs any of this, so does the number of people who kneejerk react to anything the "other side" says. Tim Pool and all these other morons would have said this stuff without being paid, they do it every single day on every single topic, and that's why the entire plot was stupid as the Russians even complained constantly about. Just like during the Cold War they were under the false assumption that our media landscape is the same as theirs.

How in the world is the Russians throwing a few millions of dollars away on the world's stupidest plots supposed to influence anything? This is just like the 2016 claims, it's a completely laughable and naive claim on its face.

And just like the Cold War the absolute paranoia about foreigners operating nefarious brainwashing conspiracies based on nonsense is the far more dangerous thing and more likely to assist with any interests by animating blind xenophobia which reacts in predictable ways.

The brits have been dealing with this Russian spy bullshit since the Great Game, you lot have a lot to learn. This is why Soloyov and co are always blaming us when things go bad. They're up to their necks in it and always have been.

[benji]

I'm not denying the Russians do these things, I'm denying that they're accomplishing anything of value or that these kinds of "influence campaigns" are anything but stupid. They did the same things during the Cold War and the only damage ever was from paranoid American overreaction. They complained about the same shit back then regarding the people they wasted money on.

They get far more out of well placed mercenaries nobody's ever heard of who are just looking for some cash like Walker, Ames or Hanssen. Absolute morons like Tim Pool and Dave Rubin have zero knowledge or capability of value to any campaign, foreign or domestic.

Seemingly your theory: elaborate complex plot to alter foreign policy directly through the centers of power.
My theory: idiots at nearly ever level.

[Nintex]

I dunno Benji. When the EU opened their doors to cheap Russian energy in defiance of the American neo-cons and Putin's 'respectable businessmen' invested in real estate, they also opened the door to corruption, fraud and sabotage. A lot of grass roots movements like the anti-nuclear lobby are fronts for Gazprom. In Germany energy and defense policy was certainly affected by Russian influence at the highest level. 

The Russians were also quite effective to capture the COVID crowd and change the tune to Ukraine vs. Russia. I was very surprised when a leftie anti-vaxxer started to talk to me about how Ukrainians were actually Nazis, as that is what those people were fed through the same channels.

In the US this is less effective because there aren't a lot of ways for the Russians to apply pressure, all they can do is bribe and blackmail people. They can't offer the climate cult an alliance against Nuclear Energy or something. 

I do think it backfired for the Russians in the US though. Trying to stop aid for Ukraine had the opposite effect. 
Not to mention years of hard work to let people understand their feelings about NATO was destroyed when the first bombs hit Kyiv and after 3 days of rape, murder and pillaging the myth about their military might and 'professional army' was shattered.

The likes of Tim Pool and Dave Rubin are certainly part of their 'hybrid' warfare though.

[dontasemebr0]

Problem with that is the only explanation for Vance, Gabbard and Musk being on board is that the entire thing is an extension of russian foreign policy

Heard Vance is sponsored by Peter Thiel, not Russia. What are your sources?

[Besticus Maximus]

Problem with that is the only explanation for Vance, Gabbard and Musk being on board is that the entire thing is an extension of russian foreign policy

Heard Vance is sponsored by Peter Thiel, not Russia. What are your sources?

Vance is in because he wants to withdraw support in Ukraine, which is the game that they've been playing all along. The Russians want to destablise the current status quo, break up the EU, break up NATO so there is no resistance to them invading Europe and putting the band back together. The install Trump operation has been an extension of this all along. If Vance wasn't pro-Russian foreign policy he wouldn't be the VP candidate.

I also have elaborate thoughts about how Russia is fucking around with the porn sites (which are owned by Russian interests)

[Nintex]

What are your thoughts on the porn sites?

Overall I think Tulsi, Vance, RFK Jr. are more anti-war than pro-Russia.
Mostly because they were against foreign wars before the Ukraine conflict began (or Crimea was seized by Russia) others like Tim Pool only 'developed' their strong anti-war feelings after Ukraine was invaded.

Trumps own foreign policy is so all over the place that Iran is trying to sabotage his campaign while Russia is trying to do the opposite.

[Besticus Maximus]

What are your thoughts on the porn sites?

Overall I think Tulsi, Vance, RFK Jr. are more anti-war than pro-Russia.
Mostly because they were against foreign wars before the Ukraine conflict began (or Crimea was seized by Russia) others like Tim Pool only 'developed' their strong anti-war feelings after Ukraine was invaded.

Trumps own foreign policy is so all over the place that Iran is trying to sabotage his campaign while Russia is trying to do the opposite.

They're playing psyops by loading the pornsites with Trans videos were they aren't supposed to be. In the same way they're fucking with kids by flooding youtube with psycho nonsense for toddlers. That's an entire topic on it's own. There's just endless streams of kids videos that are designed to melt brains.

They've successfully identified that the lack of regulation around social media and digital advertising is to their benefit and they've installed controlling interests at the top levels across all kinds of media and propaganda interests. The son of a KGB bigwig owns london's biggest newspaper. Russian money funds news networks in the UK. This is their main hobby, fucking with everyone else. It's the only thing they're good at tbf.

[Nintex]

They're playing psyops by loading the pornsites with Trans videos were they aren't supposed to be.

Interesting theory, does it work though?

I mean, "it's a trap" is a familiar internet trope. Won't people who aren't interested just ignore it, click away?

[Besticus Maximus]

They're playing psyops by loading the pornsites with Trans videos were they aren't supposed to be.

Interesting theory, does it work though?

I mean, "it's a trap" is a familiar internet trope. Won't people who aren't interested just ignore it, click away?

I've had a google about mindgeek and tbf I might have invented that it was russian money funding it, apparently it's a canadian holding company

[Nintex]

They're playing psyops by loading the pornsites with Trans videos were they aren't supposed to be.

Interesting theory, does it work though?
I mean, "it's a trap" is a familiar internet trope. Won't people who aren't interested just ignore it, click away?

I've had a google about mindgeek and tbf I might have invented that it was russian money funding it, apparently it's a canadian holding company

As far as I know the Russians do own a whole lot of those shady production companies though.

  They've started to realize it's only helping him.

[benji]

I dunno Benji.

Your theory is faulty because it presumes that Russians are smarter than everyone, have secret knowledge nobody else does, have complete mastery over the ability to disseminate their views unchanged through infinite layers of people at no cost, are the ones behind all these views when all of them are explainable by decades long strains, that these views and their expected policy results not only will result but correspond exactly one-to-one, etc.

In other words, like all conspiracy theories it's based on nothing and is implausible. Plus Marxism remains wrong.

[benji]

[benji]

[benji]

[Polident]

Touching on the pornography talk, I’ve seen various conspiracies about the role and proliferation. Many surrounding—you’ll never believe this—the jews. But what I don’t get is if it’s entirely anti porn. If outside influences turned wholesome porn of the past into degeneracy. Smut cinema like Deepthroat and Debbie Does Dallas were fine and good? Deepthroat is treated as the reason for porn flicks going mainstream and it was directed by an Italian Catholic man. Pre moving pictures for generations you had crude pornography carved on walls and jerking but to ink on scrolls.

No doubt there’s some influence out there but think it’s mostly preying on the perversions of man.

That said, I’m happy to blame Mr. Putin for my search history. Mostly behind the scenes videos when they took VHS cover photos in the 1990s. Nothing gets me going like the camera man scrambling to replace film, lights, lenses as the babe sits bored and the stud calls for a fluffer.

[Besticus Maximus]

Part of it could be that porn is just a cottage industry in russia now. My theory is somewhat undermined by not being able to find much evidence of russians running mindgeek tbf. I have noticed that in the last 18 or so months they've been slipping the trans porn into the front pages as if it's no big deal and it's always been there.

[Nintex]

Choose your fighter

[benji]