Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

[Boredfrom]

What Apocalypse? I’m just talking about your politics getting even worse. Humanity as a whole has survived this stuff.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

Dude with perpetual variations of superhero avatars thinks that the left lacks of soft power and representation on mass media.  

This sounds more like Hasan wants to get invited to political and celebrity events again.

[HardcoreRetro]

I hope it gets worse. I can't wait to laugh at the first non-binary wheelchair of colour in a videogame.

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

The "left" talking these past couple years is why so many people voted right. They don't get how annoying and repulsive they are. Best thing they can do is to shut up and let adults rebrand the party into something normal people find tolerable.

[Jansen]

But I can't stand with you because once upon a time I went to Chick-fil-A

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

The "left" talking these past couple years is why so many people voted right. They don't get how annoying and repulsive they are. Best thing they can do is to shut up and let adults rebrand the party into something normal people find tolerable.

Man is depressed because of all the foreign policy mistakes and goes to the doctor

Don't worry the doctor says, the adults are back in the White House now why not meet with Anthony Blinken

But Doctor, the man says, I am Anthony Blinken

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

I love that Rogan has become some alt right Boogeyman when the guy literally endorsed Bernie Sanders in the past. They even had "young men" on board for a short moment but dismissed them as Bernie Bros who were in the way of Queen Hillary

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

I love that Rogan has become some alt right Boogeyman when the guy literally endorsed Bernie Sanders in the past. They even had "young men" on board for a short moment but dismissed them as Bernie Bros who were in the way of Queen Hillary

He's a stupid sycophant. Who can get wrangled in about 15 seconds.

[railGUN]

This neoliberal elitist "we're the only adults in the room" shit people insist on sticking too is anathema. No one likes y'all.

You're sooooooo close, Nep. Sooooooooooooooo close.

[Ribosome]

Josh Shapiro as a middle of the road candidate in 2028 would crush on Rogan. 

"you rebuilt the highway in two weeks. That's crazy, man." lol

[DavidCroquet]

A zionist??? On MY democratic party presidential ticket?!

[Nintex]

There is a lot of stuff people didn’t think about it in this election at both sides, I’m impressed.

While I agree that you guys are going to survive 4 years of Trump, you are in for some nasty surprises and your politics are not going back as “business as usual”.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1855736898968318026?t=vrjIhcVh5CSy4zZS4vhZ0Q&s=19[/tweet]

Damn right they ain't 

[Besticus Maximus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-little-stargazing-last-night-was-aghast-at-the-number-of-moving-satellites-in-the-sky.1032753/

Did little stargazing last night. Was aghast at the number of moving satellites in the sky

My parents live in the country and I was there over the weekend, there's very little light pollution so you can see space very well.
I don't stargaze often but it was a clear night and I decided to just gaze a little. The last time I did this was easily five years ago and damn, things have changed.

I noticed a shooting star. "Huh, wow!"
Then another one. "...Hang on a sec."
Then two more. "Fucking Elon."

I was genuinely aghast at how many I spotted up there, easily half a dozen in 30 minutes or less.
I also tracked one going across from East to West and it was easily monitored for 10 minutes or so.

I think the number of satellites in the sky is set to double by 2030. Progress, sure I guess.
Won't feel the same way though looking up at night though.

[Cheers]

and the people in those states should recognize the cruelty and change their laws at the state level, as many states already have done, because roe v. wade should not have been allowed to dictate federal law

That’s being naive. These states are being cruel on purpose. They will have to be dragged into this kicking and screaming like the minimum wage. Look at weed. There are going to be hold outs no matter what. The answer is to allow it federally and stop fucking around. People are dying and they don’t intend to stop. Like alcohol, states should be able to create some type of blue law to prevent it in certain areas, but these bounty laws, death of the mother in the parking lot of the ER, and being arrested for a miscarriage have got to stop.

ok, then do it officially federally rather than through judicial decree

this is for the same reason that trump's executive orders should not be allowed to take the place of the legislature either

I agree. On both statements. I take the naive statement back!

[Eric Cartman]

This neoliberal elitist "we're the only adults in the room" shit people insist on sticking too is anathema. No one likes y'all.

You're sooooooo close, Nep. Sooooooooooooooo close.

People take a patronising tone with nepnep when they hear her espousing beliefs with the political acumen of a 10 year old talking about santa?

[Ribosome]

I just read a reddit post about potential vote switching at the tabulation stage by Elons software used in swing states. Many people with statistical and political science degrees cannot make sense of it and a very implausible amount of ballots cast with the only selection being DJT. Corresponding to an interview with trump and musk kind of talking about it and trump asserting he has enough votes already. It seemed legitimately possible. Not sure if real or not.

Stop the Steal v2

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aoc-asked-her-followers-who-split-their-ballots-either-for-trump-her-or-trump-downballot-dem-to-explain-why-and-posted-the-replies.1032588/post-131495808

IDontBeatGames
Hasan said it best on Twitch after the election happened, the left side is too quiet on social media and not represented enough in the spaces they need to be represented in. When you think about it, the Right Wing side is represented vastly across different mediums. Joe Rogan has the number one podcast in the world, Elon Musk owns X, Andrew Schulz is one of the more popular comedians and is full on right wing, Dana White owns the fucking UFC, FOX as a whole pushes Right Wing agendas and completely fabricated bullshit and the social media apps with algorithms are all dominated by Right Wing influencers who know how to perfectly manipulate young men, thus the right wing having that young and innocent men-to-full on right wing pipeline.

The left side has none of that at all. The left side has, at most, AOC. And unless they plan to back her fully and help her become the face or voice of the left side, they might just be doomed again. The left side needs to change their approach with social media and entertainment spaces if they want to win people over again or create a new generation of people who believe in left ideologies. We need to see more left wing folks on podcasts, in videos or streams with other creators, on Tiktok getting important information or "did you know?" type of stuff out to people and in other places where they can get their messages across to young folks. We can't just rely on hoping that people get entrenched in their communities due to the fallout of this election and have that be what pushes more people to vote for whoever the Dems presidential candidate ends up being in 2028.

[DavidCroquet]

The irony of "left too quiet on social media" is that literally, a short few months ago, Era were all arguing that the US government wanted to ban TikTok because of it being as bastion of loud and proud politically leftist thought.

we're too quiet...except when we are so loud that it requires an organized federal response.

[railGUN]

This paternalism is, again, part of the reason you all lost to Trump twice.

What the fuck does she mean "you all lost to Trump twice."? Is this some sly way of saying, because she didn't vote, she didn't lose to Trump? The only reason Nep is a moderator on REE is because she wouldn't last 2 minutes as a regular poster.

[benji]

I like how they don't even consider that it might already exist and nobody watches it or is influenced by it for all kinds of reasons. Producing ten or a hundred times the amount of it won't change that.

They seem to literally believe that people throw on a podcast with some comedians and idiots jabbering about shit and suddenly they're goose-stepping to a Trump rally. Or hop on Twitter and instantly gobble up whatever shit Elon is retweeting rather than following stuff they actually care about. Then just keep watching more and more garbage at 2.5X speed and asserting it uncritically to any captive audience they can find.

Again, projection.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-trump-is-the-47th-president-of-the-united-states.1028550/page-87#post-131468172

You sound like you've been radicalised. Honestly - grow up.

User Banned (Permanently): Troll Account

[Boredfrom]

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This paternalism is, again, part of the reason you all lost to Trump twice.

What the fuck does she mean "you all lost to Trump twice."? Is this some sly way of saying, because she didn't vote, she didn't lose to Trump? The only reason Nep is a moderator on REE is because she wouldn't last 2 minutes as a regular poster.

And she got friendly with BCT regulars in old Gaf.

I love how she has become a monster of her own, independent of BCT, because how batshit crazy she is.

[benji]

It's funny that we have PlanetSmasher doing the normal thing of denying any agency to anyone other than himself by claiming young men are basically unthinking conduits of anything they see because a fraction of them preferred Donald Trump to Kamala Harris for President.

Meanwhile we have this other thirty plus page thread of bitching about men and talking about how nobody should have to do anything they should just be better: https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-progressive-outreach-to-men-look-like-how-can-we-turn-the-tide.1028586/page-32

Which has brilliant analysis like this:

The right feeds off of differences. It's what sustains them. It's why they so aggressively feed the culture war.

Always annoys me when pundits claim that the left stoke culture wars.

It's been working for the GOP for damn near 60 years and look what they've accomplished.

Ofc it's working for them. They've been promising every man their own crop of slaves as reward like the good ol days.

Particular good online communities were my only exposure to views on the left. If I didn't find internet forums like this, I might never have been exposed to it at all.

It's the same way 20 years later with podcasters and streamers. They're all conservative. I don't know why there can't be popular big voices on the left that can reach the youth, but it's been an issue for 20 years.

I was just thinking this exact same thing, that we need to start getting a critical mass of progressive dudebro media out there to counteract all the Tates, Shapiros and Petersons.

Destiny comes the closest and every time he comes up, he's annihilated here. He has baggage and has said some stupid edgy things in the past, there is no doubt, yet nonetheless he's the one person I know with a huge left audience that goes into redpill spaces and confronts them and tells them they're wrong.

He was the biggest pro-Biden and pro-Harris anti-Trump voice that I can think of in the past year in the streamer/podcast world that confronted every right wing person that he could, including Shapiro, Peterson, Candace. Who else is doing it? To me, it felt like he was one of the people on the left putting up the biggest fight this past year. (with a huge left young democrat audience)

The right worships their controversial figures and holds them completely blameless. It's all one unified message. Left is divided.

Do you want their votes or not? You can't want them to behave a certain way, but not want to court that behavior out of them. You'll only court spite with this attitude, and make it easier for them to be scooped up by the likes of Fuentes, Rogan, and Peterson.

I'm sorry, but no. I'm not going to devote my limited time and energy to straight men who despise me when my own community needs that energy. As long as "Your body, my choice. Forever." remains the rallying cry of this bunch, I will be minimizing the presence of straight men in my life. Y'all got this. You can do it.

Do you want their votes or not? You can't want them to behave a certain way, but not want to court that behavior out of them. You'll only court spite with this attitude, and make it easier for them to be scooped up by the likes of Fuentes, Rogan, and Peterson.

Cis men aren't going to listen to a trans person and I'm sure as hell not going to put myself at risk by interacting with ones I don't know IRL. They're also not going to listen to cis women on issues either.

This is something progressive men have to sort out. All the rest of us can do is offer talking point to those men putting in the work and be willing to welcome and encourage men that change.

This strategy clearly isn't working, so something has to change, or else we will be left behind and Republicans will keep winning.

The strategy isn't working because progressive men have been dropping the ball. A woman can not get through to a straight man. When it comes to going one on one with someone irl, you're putting them at active risk by having them do it.

We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas! Here you go ladies, they're your problem, you fix 'em!"

The audacity is honestly amazing.

What women in this thread are trying to tell you guys is that we can't do this work for you. They will not listen to us. The men we're talking about here idolize rapist and human trafficker Andrew Tate and rapist Donald Trump. They don't want equality with women, they want to dominate and brutalize us. This is one moment of emotional labor women can't handle for you. Are guys really that averse to engaging with and uplifting their fellow men? No fucking wonder things are the way they are.

A friend of mine is a low information voter and I noticed he started falling into the cracks of these red pill podcasters. I tried bringing sense into him, but it really wasn't working.

What DID end up working was Destiny. My friend started seeing videos of Destiny and it helped him move away from these conservative and red pill podcasters.

I'm not saying Destiny should be the new face of Democrat/leftist podcasters, but it's something that needs to be understood why someone like Destiny can move people towards the left (or at least away from the right).

Because he's fucking racist, misogynistic and transphobic

Destiny would bring bigotry into the Democratic party.

That's a feature, they're loser kings, selling that even the weakest man should be allowed to dominate any woman

That's part of the issue though right. Resting on anecdotes while trying to speak to a societal issue driven by factors larger than any one man or experience. If the depth people are willing to go rests at 'women being frustrated at men makes them feel bad so they should be nicer' then it comes off less as concern and more a desire to pin the blame on women in an effort to compel us to take a significant role in solving men's issues for them.

It should be obvious that this isn't actually rooted in Letterboxd comments or women saying shit like "men suck", even if they're things some men are sensitive to. The issue of why men find the promises and praise of extreme misogynists like Trump or Andrew Tate appealing and desire their versions of masculinity run a lot deeper than a lot of you seem willing to go. Things like isolation and lack of community, resentment over elements of life they're now offered easy explanations for, algorithms creating walled in pathways to increasingly extreme content, or even the general tolerance of misogyny in male-only spaces and environments.

I'm going to be honest, dudes like this don't really matter. It's comfort food for adults liberals/leftists. It's why more Hasan-types won't do anything and why bread tube didn't defeat the alt right. It's completely missing the entire problem.

The issue at it's core is toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity comes from an incredibly simple dynamic that nobody here wants to acknowledge: the fact that "manhood" has to be achieved and can be lost. Remember the man card gag from Scrubs? That's literally how society views manhood. So long as society sees manhood as something to be earned, something that can be lost, this shit is going to continue. A lot of hate and bigotry, not just toward women, comes from this fact.

People talk about positive masculinity, but it's literally just the same shit. Our society defines manhood as being able to provide for and protect one's family. That means to be a man you need a job, need to be strong, and need a family. That last one means you need to find someone to settle down with. This is where the toxicity toward women comes into play: society tells men that they cannot achieve manhood without women. Be that entering into a relationship or controlling them by force.

Arguing that we need more leftist influencers completely misses the entire problem. These people are targeting kids, literal 12-year-olds, at a time in their lives when they are trying to figure out how to become adults and are most susceptible to nonsense. These man-o-sphere grifters are giving them someone to blame and offering them easy answers to hard questions about life. Beyond that, the algorithms are literally designed to feed people the most toxic and inflammatory nonsense imaginable because when people are angry, they are posting, and when they are posting they are staying on the platform and looking at ads. So they feed people content that gets engagement, even if it's negative engagement, because that makes them money.

This is a societal problem that requires actual action. You can't just say "we need more leftist influencers" and expect that to do anything. As a society we need to actually change the definition of manhood so that it's not something that can be gained or lost at the drop of a hat. As a society we need to actively regulate these social media platforms because they are probably one of the most dangerous things we've invented and the people running them don't seem to realize the importance of the situation they are in.

FUCKING THANK YOU

This conversation up until now has been so fucking surface level it's nauseating.

A question I've asked before, that should be posed to men and translated to how we raise boys.

"What are you without women?"

What space do we give men, and particularly boys on this topic, to pursue their authentic selves absent the desire to obtain women?

What does masculinity look like divorced from the idea of "will this get me women?"

I don't think there is a path to turn the tide without fixing the way social media works.

I believe a huge contributor to social progress was that a few decades ago progressive voices/messages were comparably stronger than today. Without social media (or without the dimension it has nowadays), bigots/racists either had to find smaller communities where they could spread/share their hate or do it face to face, which was a no-go for many. People didn't feel emboldened to say what they truly felt because they couldn't do it anonymously enough or easily find like-minded people. In turn, this amplified progressive ideas because there was less pushback. But it never truly went away.

Enter the world of social media and now everyone can find each other much quicker. Communities are easy to join, like-minded people are easy to find, anonymity is (kinda) easy to maintain... Hateful people start sharing what they have always truly felt without many repercussions. Feedback loops start being created and algorithms start developing. Those progressive voices suddenly start getting comparably smaller and smaller, even when directly targeting hate. Even when social media companies start catching up to it, hate just keeps spreading because many "silenced" bigots simply create one or two alt accounts and keep doing it in a more subtle way (or not since they can simply do it again, and again, and again...). When social media platforms try to intervene, it's too late: efforts to curb this behavior via deplatforming aren't effective enough to stop the tide anymore. Worse even, these contents are now deeply tied to their revenue sources, so under this extreme capitalism, there is even less incentive to do anything about it.

Which brings us to the state of the world today and social media as we know it. For the current algorithms, the alt-right pipeline is the status quo. All the progressive voices are comparably smaller. Challenging your core beliefs (for many, rooted on racism, bigotry, misogyny since they were children) takes effort, especially as a (white) man, who historically has always led the charge, always defined those beliefs even, without ever having so much of a pushback. Maintaining the status quo is easier because it has always been easy. It's easier than making that effort to change because that would require being vulnerable, being all the things that toxic masculinity says he shouldn't be, an effort that many aren't willing to make due to toxic masculinity traits. And so they keep consuming alt-right content on social media that validates those already established beliefs, making it more accessible/visible to many via another feedback loop.

The way everything works today also makes it so much harder for us, individually, to try to enact a positive change even in people we know. Our time with someone is extremely limited, but alt-right/hateful content is almost infinitely vast and easy to access at all times.

Little kids are so much more online these days than we were. And while I think it's up to the parents to control the content kids have access to, I understand that nowadays many are struggling just to get by and don't have time to do it properly/at all.

I don't know how exactly we can do it, but I'm certain that changing the social media/Internet landscape would need to be the first step before anything else.

Progressive men need to build spaces and lifestyles that allow them to develop and thus live by a progressive masculinity that is not fragile or conditional upon extant factors to be valid. That happens first through education- such as reading, debating, and discussing the issue with other interested men- then through material action, such as propagation of these ideals within media, creating groups and pods with which to develop camaraderie and principles, and direct confrontation with reactionary figures who are enemies to your cause.

Basically, you determine a specific goal, find other people interested in achieving your goal, and organize through multiple avenues to achieve that goal. And you do this over and over, sometimes having to start over, sometimes having to change tactics or redefine parameters as you learn, until you create a world where regressive, fragile, hegemonic patriarchy is a thing of the past.

In other words, just do what other minorities have done and continue to do to fight for their self-determination.

I agree that would be wonderful if we could change the definition of manhood for society and change social media. Is getting control of social media really that feasible to do in the near future with who's in charge? If we can't destroy social media , this Dean Withers video arguing with 20 Trump Supporters does have 13 million views, with most of the comments being complimentary towards Dean. I think it's a good look for us that penetrated the algorithm somehow. I don't know why if we didn't have a lot more people like this that could combat them, that it couldn't make an impact. Getting a Joe Rogan on the left and taking the fight to the right wing influencers I think would have an impact and feels more likely than getting the nature of social media algorithms changed. I wish it could. Maybe someone could up with a Left version of Youtube, doesn't seem that likely though. Right now, the 12 year olds are just seeing the worst people when they look up this stuff, and not encountering any arguments or pushback against them. Just like for the past few decades on the radio, no competition there at all from the left.

Destiny is not fighting red pill spaces. He's constantly conforming to them, and treating them like friends. He just bragged about restarting an actual neo-Nazi's career. He will say racial slurs, ableist slurs, etc. like it's nothing. He is not a friend to progressives, or leftists.

There's plenty of progressive people who go into/fight right-wing idelogy. Hasan Piker is perhaps the biggest one. He consistently will criticize, and offer new ways of thinking about issues while using his image as 'bro'. It's his gimmick. And it works pretty well. He was one of the highest view count streams on ED, in a sea of neo-Nazi fascists.

Let's just not talk about Destiny seriously when it comes to politics. He's banned from ResetEra for a reason.

I am broadly progressive.

But I specify progressive men because they're the ones who need to lead the movement. Because they're the ones who can best externalize what it's like to be a man dealing with all of that pressure, empathize with those issues, and thus figure out solutions.

Like, I'm Black. I don't expect white people or Asian people or non-Black Hispanic people to be involved in leading Black revolutionary movements.

I'm also a non-binary woman; I don't expect to see cis people leading trans movements. And I certainly don't expect to see men leading women's movements.

So I don't give men that quarter. You all need to lead. I'm not saying you're in this alone. That's a whole different sentence. Allyship is an absolute must. I will be an ally. But I'm not about to be up on the podium trying to talk to a bunch of men about what you all need to do to get this shit under control.

That's not my place, mainly because I literally can't sympathize with these issues because I'm not in your shoes. I don't experience loneliness. I don't experience shame from being vulnerable in front of my friends. I don't experience identity crises over my ability or lack thereof to provide material goods to a family. I don't know what it's like to feel like my gender identity is based in a public performance. I'm just a happy-ass single woman. What the fuck do I know about what men are going through? When I see men say they can't pick up the phone to text their bros about hanging out, shit is alien to me.

You don't want me leading this. You want me standing beside you in solidarity.

If men are not willing to organize with each other, if men are not willing to lead themselves into a better future, if this is always going to come back to "women have an equal responsibility to fix men's masculinity and identity issues," then you're just gonna remain on Internet forums asking women to pretty-please be nicer towards men telling them "Your body, my choice." Like.

Destiny is a sociopath who plays the character of a progressive streamer for clout. He is bad at it though because he can't resist fighting for his right to say the n word.

Hasan is the only big streamer in the leftist space. And he is huge, he had 330,000 live concurrent viewers on election night. I think it's telling that we have exactly one big voice in the online streamer space, and in the days leading up to the election instead of focusing on campaigning, a sitting congressman was spending all of his time and energy trying to get Hasan permanently banned from Twitch. They want to silence the one progressive voice that is even close to being competitive with the rest of the streaming world.

Men are a lost cause. The Left needs to figure out how to reach this country's boys.

Hasan is the only big streamer in the leftist space.

And it seems most people on Era absolutely hate him.

The whole part about building an online ecosystem is absolutely correct. If we want to intervene with the right wing pipeline and save some of these boys and young men from becoming misogynists, we have to meet them where they're at. That's Twitch and YouTube. I've actually considered streaming some myself, but I'm a visibly queer woman and these boys won't listen to me. I'd just be preaching to the choir. I don't know. It feels hopeless. How do you dismantle a titan?

Suggesting Destiny as a possible role model even as a flawed one is insane.

Dude is itching to say the N word, supports genocide where a lot of right wing dudes like Andrew Tate are against it which would already put his support of Israel at odd ends with young males, his never ending beef with Hasan makes him seem like a man child, and I'm going to be honest… his open relationship with his wife that he had at the time who left him for a dude he was giving permission to have sex with her already makes him easy to ridicule for young men.

But mostly I bring it up to post this because he said the thing:

Lets be honest.. its White Men that need to start taking more progressive stances than anyone else.

Not just white men. Oh Lordy no.

Like I said earlier, it's a good thing that the rampant and blatant racism of the right serves as a check when it comes to Black people (and why it doesn't to anybody else is beyond me…).

But if we're talking about the problems facing men and boys broadly, then no, this is bigger than white folks.

As a former Black boy, I could write BOOKS on the ways my community fails Black boys.

Also:

I've been pondering, even though I am not into social media at all, if one way I could help would be to start a youtube podcast to talk to angry white men, as maybe someone who looks a lot like them (I imagine).
I am middle aged, white, cis, middle class, overweight and with probably less than average looks, but I do have a job I love, I have a wonderful wife, kids, and a house + a life I enjoy where video games, mangas/anime/comics and movies have a large part.

[Alpacx]

But I can't stand with you because once upon a time I went to Chick-fil-A

It's almost like you can't just pretend Kamala's statements on tape, Admiral Levine, Biden's Title IX changes, cringe language stuff like pronouns and "pregnant people" in Dem circles didn't exist?

Elections aren't a blank slate. People know where Kamala and Dems stand on transgenderism and the only way to not be hurt by it was to explicitly walk some of it back.

[Boredfrom]

Lets be honest.. its White Men that need to start taking more progressive stances than anyone else.

Not just white men. Oh Lordy no.

Like I said earlier, it's a good thing that the rampant and blatant racism of the right serves as a check when it comes to Black people (and why it doesn't to anybody else is beyond me…).

But if we're talking about the problems facing men and boys broadly, then no, this is bigger than white folks.

As a former Black boy, I could write BOOKS on the ways my community fails Black boys.

[Jansen]

I'm too tired to stand with them, can I just sit silently instead

[Polident]

Guys are pretty simple and it’s beyond their grasp. That they bring up hasan as a positive example shows how out of touch they are.

[Chudder Barbarity]

Can we get back to vidoegames, folks?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dragon-age-the-veilguard-ot-halamshiral.1021152/page-121#post-131484771

While I really like Taash and their quest, the final choice felt like it flew in the face of the entire point of it. The nature of having every companion quest end on a binary choice is understandable from a game design standpoint but several of these choices were not well implemented imo.

Too many choices in this western style RPG, Bioware. Can you remove these?

Game all about being non binary ends on a binary choice. Alt-right chud dog whistle right there. These so called allies turning into nazis real quick.

[DocWager]

Lets be honest.. its White Men that need to start taking more progressive stances than anyone else.

Not just white men. Oh Lordy no.

Like I said earlier, it's a good thing that the rampant and blatant racism of the right serves as a check when it comes to Black people (and why it doesn't to anybody else is beyond me…).

But if we're talking about the problems facing men and boys broadly, then no, this is bigger than white folks.

As a former Black boy, I could write BOOKS on the ways my community fails Black boys.

Oooooooooh, LORDY no!