Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[JoeBoy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jon-stewart-criticizes-the-us-medias-coverage-of-the-upcoming-trump-administration.1054482/page-2#post-132594369

I've noticed that for everyone being like but the whole podcast, episode but Bernie, that they actually don't have a response to this specific garbage take , just that they don't want people to think about it.

Because the take you quoted is bullshit, like seriously, gain some basic media literacy skills and watch the actual podcast and delineate tone and context on your own terms if you are actually capable.

You came across someone lazily writing about a 45 second statement that took a stream of consciousness statement about the uncertainty of this moment and the media doing what they always do which is focusing on the most sensationalist angle and Stewart cautioned against people following suit into catastrophizing on the medias terms as a bridge to bringing on Sanders where they spent the next 58 minutes discussing how to respond to Trump, how address the underlying conditions of Americans anger, how to address our political systems corruption and moneyed capture, what policies and reforms could make people regain faith in government, how to improve labor conditions for the working class, how to get Democrats to value the norms that matter but push past the ones that don't to help actually pass their agendas, and the ways that people can stand up for workers and continually expose Trump's hypocrisy.

But by all means, go on and offer your alternative perspective on these issues if you are so fucking offended by the takes of Bernie and Stewart.

I actually would fucking love to hear what your advice is for everything they spoke about, if you can actually recall what it is their discussion entailed since you are so fucking confident in your takes. Like please, summarize their points and tell me why it is they are wrong substantively and what you propose as an alternative. And not just on the first 45 seconds but the entire fucking conversation. Like I would be very curious what it is exactly you disagree with on their criticisms of the failures of incrementalism and the failures of securing healthcare rights as a starting point for this conversation.

Now for Exel to sulk and not post for another 8 months when nobody comes to defend her.

Oh, they still going…

Jesus fucking Christ, you are insufferable.

I honestly can not believe you have spent this much time writing out this ignorant drivel instead of actually listening to the interview for which you decided to post a hack job article about the first 45 seconds of.

"I saw a clip"

You mean you once again are admitting your only interaction with this discussion was thru clips, which by there nature are devoid of their surrounding context.

Like this is such an indictment of your capacity for objective critical thinking that you should feel shame, but instead you continue doubling down and keep regurgitating the same nonsense.

You think the media is being soft, Jon thinks it's often focusing on sensationalism and dooming about the wrong things and wants people to focus on substantive actions, cool. You have a different perspective, and what he is saying in service of encouraging people to do is a good fucking thing! This 60 minute interview spends all of 2 minutes on what you are catastrophizing about but because you fell for clickbait decided to make an entire thread that has now perpetuated dishonest journalism and false context as you continue defending that behaviors.

But go on friend, keep tilting at those windmills….

I've given a reasoned explanation about this specific argument, with direct examples of dangerous extremism already happening before he's in office, I gave direct example of how the media far from dooming treated that rise in extremism as normal.

You have yet to demonstrate this dooming dangerous press that is catastrophizing the upcoming Trump administration

You've engaged zero with my argument but you have found the time to call me stupid and ignorant multiple times. So I hope that's brought you joy


You repeatedly fail to understand that segmenting an interview into different discussions, that's how these things work. An entire thread could be made about the portion of the interview on immigration, the clip his own people released isn't very encouraging though.

Like you keep calling it clickbait, but you've long abandoned that he's being misinterpreted (which is what actual clickbait is friend, misinterpretation taken out of context). Instead what it is, is what anything like this is, a story on a statement... that's how these things work. Everything you say can induce a story, an interview can craft multiple parallel discussions based on certain portions. That's life. That's how Jon Stewart's pretty good commentary on Trump's extremism also became about how Jon Stewart thinks extremely racist jokes are funny... because he made the choice to start his segment with that... that's how things work friend, words an arguments create space for counter words and arguments.

What you keep claiming is me falling for clickbait is just in fact me talking about something you don't want to talk about because you think there's other things to talk about... to which I say make that thread. Will I show up, maybe, maybe not, others will though and you'll get the discussions you want! I made this thread because one of my driving concerns today are centered around the absolute collapse of journalism in face of fascism, which is why this quote of his was something I want to poke at, because it's wrong, and it's bad, and it's part of the whole problem.

Can you see everest from that high horse of yours btw

I honestly am at a loss for how you just managed to evoke Stewart's thesis about how the news media focuses on the sensational and superficial absurdities like a roast comedian's joke instead of the substantive horrors being espoused and promised by Trump and his people, which perverts context, distracts, and focuses peoples attention away from what should be the things getting reported and focused on….

….And without any sense of irony, you ignored that context in service of justifying the very sort of journalistic malpractice he was calling out in that rant. To justify yourself perpetuating that behavior and defending the merits of outrage farming clickbait articles that misconstrue context and distract from the very things you claim to be upset with the news media for not doing enough of.

You are literally defending the very sort of crap Jon Stewart is speaking to with his comments but you are completely oblivious to that irony because you yourself are doing the same thing so lack the context to be aware of it.

 

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Because he did it too, he perpetuates the very behavior he criticizes

That segment when it was about what he said was the most important was actually quite good.

But he didn't start there! He opened with the roast comedian, and dedicated effective minutes to how funny he thought the jokes were, visibily laughing on camera.

That's his own decision that's how he wrote that segment, he essentially guaranteed his own better point would get buried because he put his identity as a comedian before his identity as a political analyst and circle the wagon to defend a guy in his community... entirely weakening the whole segment! He fucked himself over!

That's the fucking farce inherent at the heart of that. Cynically one could argue he did that to defend the sanctity of the comic to be virulently racist, in a way that would ensure those who disagree can be accused of ignoring the important issues... just like you just did actually!

But no Jon crafted that segment, he is due the responsibility for why it didn't work

Also I'm not perpetuating anything, I'm responding to something Stewart said, he said it, it's a quote, a thing he said, Variety is just the source of the transcription. Again you're just mad because I'm talking about something you don't think is important! Well I do! I think presenting the press as being too harsh or scary about Trump is nonsense, counterfactual, a fundamentally useless and dangerous assessment of the state of the press as it encourages them to be even worse than they already are

You've now dedicated a lot of time yelling at me because you don't think I should talk about this... with that time you could have created the thread for what you do want to talk about...yet you have not... curious.

It worked perfectly fine for anyone that doesn't just consume their media thru click bait journalism, but you continue to prove why you will never get a for profit click driven news media to report Trump's horrors the way you want, which is because people like you fall for and deep down respond more to the clickbait distractions and hot take punditry that feeds off social cleavages and is far cheaper to produce than the sort of substantive journalism that is more expensive and often requires people to engage for more than the 30 seconds it takes to read a tweet or watch some sliced out clip.

Like why spend weeks researching some story when someone can turn on a podcast for 45 seconds and ask ChatGPT to write an article that outrage baits liberals and get tons more engagement out of that? As your proving in real time

See you just did it! Jon Stewart defended racist comedy and you declared it clickbait to point it out

But he did do it, and it wasn't out of context he visibily laughed at all if it, that's a choice he made, him, his responsibility, it fucking wrecked the effectiveness of his greater point because for no reason except to defend his comedian brother he dedicated time to say he's funny... his choice, his decision... but you're hilariously proving exactly why he did it, because now pointing that out means I fell for clickbait journalism (?!)... except I watched the segment and formed my own opinion. I even said the second half of the segment was very good. Not my fault the 1st half wasn't! And really really wasn't! It's not my fault that Jon Stewart is like just about every other comedian on the planet and drawn to circling the wagon to defend his peers regardless of reason, funny enough journalists do this too, it's pathetic.


You need to realize you're the lazy one here. I've made substantive criticism, and all you've done is call me stupid

This is the conversation we're actually having.

Trans rights are already be curtailed and the administration isn't in charge yet, and the media took it as just another day of the week, they had Sarah McBride on to declare it an unimportant issue and demand she acknowledge the validity of transphobia

Where's the fear mongering about Trump in that?

The factual truth is the press has and always will normalize Trump. The problem with the press isn't that they doom about him, it's that they treat him like no threat at all. Thus Stewart presenting this utterly fictional version of the press, not only encourages them to continue their current appeasement but hell might even give them cause to go even further. There is no mainstream outlet encouraging people to give up or be afraid because there's no mainstream outlet that thinks there's anything really to fight or be afraid of!

You haven't made substantive criticism, you have attempted continually to defend the hot takes you have derived from the clickbait journalism you posted.

Complaining about the lack of meaningful coverage in the media about Trump as you simultaneously defend the practice of the engagement farming that continues to crowd out actual good journalism. Actively perpetuating the problem you complain about by posting the slop they push out like this article.

The irony seems utterly lost on you but still you persist…

Jesus wept. Their keyboards are screaming for mercy. Don’t they know brevity is a virtue?

Also, in finale…

You've substituted insults for an argument ad nauseum.

I've directly addressed things, you've dismissed it all on the grounds of a sweeping accusation that I'm just a moron so cool, hope I'm helping you feel joy or whatever it is you're getting out of not actually talking to me

I'm addressing a quote from Jon Stewart as transcribed... by Variety... an entertainment press organization that I don't turn to for political journalism, and I also addressed a segment from Jon Stewart that I personally watched. It's things he said, I'm talking about things he's said

Look! You've essentially decided anyone with a different perspective on Jon Stewart is a moron, so in all seriousness, I'm a tough lady, and have gotten worse from worse, so if this is helping you feel better today I'm more than happy to continue. Massive believer in charity ❤️

[Propagandhim]

Nola absolutely destroying incel.

[benji]

Nola showing his Bore roots.

[kaleidoscopium]

As someone who cut the cable cord 8 years ago to afford rent and groceries, seeing the media debase itself in the name of appeasing trump and the election coverage, I'm sure there won't be a spectrum of people cutting the cords and going OTA for their media services with the ceo glazing

absofuckinglutely amazing misread of the country's mood rn

https://www.resetera.com/threads/photos-showing-face-of-man-sought-in-killing-of-insurance-c-e-o-focus-manhunt.1052907/page-28#post-132617049

[JoeBoy101]

Ah what the hell... might as well keep going:

I have plenty of disagreements with Jon Stewart, for instance I don't think his defense of people like Chappelle is correct and I have always hated the way he likes to ride the fence and fall back on his influence as it's just comedy, criticism of Stewart isn't the issue here

You posted context-less clickbait slop and have habitually and repeatedly refused to acknowledge the context from which those statements were said even when you acknowledge you are clearly aware of them.

At first I found it to be uninformed and coming from a place of ignorance to that context but in acknowledging you are fully aware of the context from which those comments are derived makes it seem like this is now deliberate disingenuousness on your part.

You made a thread that is basically trying to ad hominem attack Stewart based off a context-less 45 second clip of a 60 minute conversation and somehow think doing so is defensible, while in the same breath complaining about a news media for not doing enough to report on the horrors of Trump.

Again, the irony is incredibly strong here

I posted things he said, that's it:

1) is functionally transcript of his opinion on the current state of the press that I addressed why that's false, you've not once actually explained how he's right, only that it was the introduction to his conversation with Sanders, that you still have not made a thread about, despite having a lot of time to call me now deliberately stupid!

2) An analysis of a segment on the Daily Show that I myself watched in full and formed my own opinion on, to which you declared it falling for clickbait to think it was foolish of him to start a strong good opinion by dedicating time to praise and laugh at blatantly racist jokes from a comedian not at club (bad enough) but at a political rally in support of someone who can make those jokes into policy. You see it's not my fault that Stewart is and always will be a comedian before anything else, and that really harms his effectiveness as a political analyst... that's his fault. Also I didn't even make that thread someone else did. I just politely said I said there what I've said here: he made a strong argument it's just really disappointing that he self sabotaged by praising a racist comedian for his racist jokes and letting us all know how funny he personally finds them. That was bad for multiple reasons: a) because racists telling racists jokes isn't funny especially at a rally for a racist president, b) the praise adding nothing to his very good later point and c) in fact it actively harmed it because it gave people a valid excuse to tune him out, and also a valid thing to focus on instead! This wouldn't have happened if Stewart didn't identify as a comic first!

All said I'm really happy I'm helping you through your past couple of days ❤️,

I hope though that your tomorrow is inherently brighter so that you won't need me to feel better

But I'm here if you do 😊

Incel's now leaning on the folksy attempts to disarm to act like their not taking on water from Nola's broadsides, and try to win sympathy from anybody reading.

Something this moron swallowed:

Excelsiorlef 's points have made perfect sense. You, however, have been on an insulting rant since your first reply. Suggest you reread the thread and try addressing the actual comments and leave the vitriol behind.

but this poster not so much:

I don't disagree with you, and I'm not going to read through ALL of their back & forth [because I'm in a good mood today, teehee].

But this:

You are getting worked up over a false framing.

is demonstrably true, of all the Jon Stewart threads lately tbh.

I honestly think this would be a better place to post if every time Trump said something the thread wasn't a majority of people saying how screwed we are.

Also this.

It's tiring, and counter to producing any sort of helpful or stimulating conversation imho.

All in all, not bad Dinner Theatre. I give it 7 out of 10.

[kaleidoscopium]

Patients don't directly submit claims themselves. Those are done through the medical or pharmaceutical personnel who are dealing with the patient's care. They in turn are largely trained in according "fwa": fraud, waste, and abuse, especially since most wouldn't even receive compensation from the kickback, and no one wants to be fucking audited over this shit.

So the patient isn't really in control of their care to that degree most of the time. You go to the doctor or pharmacy and the employees there just submit claims based upon what they know or believe you need.

So UHC saying they guard against unnecessary care is bullshit.

well firstly, people really enjoy needlessly getting healthcare. doctor's offices and hospitals are renowned for being places that people simply love to be. dishonest consumers simply cannot get enough of claiming needless medication, surgeries and procedures. they go nuts for the stuff.

they are aided and abetted in this wickedness by Doctor's, who are similarly looking to get one over on insurance companies on behalf of their patients.

as for United, clearly the wicked consumers and Doctor's have found them to be an outlet for this notorious hedonism. the poor United, which has been targeted by dishonest consumers (remember in America it is very easy to decide which healthcare provider you are serviced by), is simply standing up to this wave of corruption and saying "NO" and a brave CEO died for it

https://www.resetera.com/threads/photos-showing-face-of-man-sought-in-killing-of-insurance-c-e-o-focus-manhunt.1052907/page-29#post-132618225

Again, speaking authoritatively about shit they know fuckall about.

An additional 126 defendants are charged with various other health care fraud schemes involving over $450 million in false and fraudulent claims to Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance companies for treatments that were medically unnecessary or never provided. Ten defendants across the country were charged in connection with fraudulent COVID-19 testing, including an over $65 million scheme charged in the Southern District of Florida.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/national-health-care-fraud-enforcement-action-results-193-defendants-charged-and-over-275-0

A New York man was sentenced today to 12 years in prison and ordered to pay over $336 million in restitution for a years-long fraud scheme in which he and his co-conspirators, including physicians throughout the country, defrauded multiple health insurance companies out of hundreds of millions of dollars.

According to court documents and evidence presented at trial, Mathew James, 54, of East Northport, operated medical billing companies to provide billing services for physicians — primarily plastic or orthopedic surgeons throughout the United States — and used his companies to carry out a massive scheme to defraud insurance companies. As a third-party medical biller, James submitted claims to insurance companies and, when necessary, requested reconsideration or appeals of denied claims, typically earning a percentage of the amount paid by the insurance companies. The evidence showed that James billed for procedures that were either more serious or entirely different than those his doctor-clients performed. In addition, James made thousands of calls in which he impersonated patients and patients’ relatives to induce insurance companies to reconsider denied claims or pay more on approved claims, resulting in tens of millions of dollars in additional reimbursement to his doctor-clients and from which he received a percentage of the fraudulent proceeds.

James also directed his doctor-clients to schedule elective surgeries through the emergency room so that insurance companies would reimburse at substantially higher rates. When insurance companies denied the inflated claims, James impersonated patients to demand that the insurance companies pay the outstanding balances of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-sentenced-336m-health-care-fraud-wire-fraud-and-identity-theft-scheme

Weird, thought this never happened?

[benji]

So the patient isn't really in control of their care to that degree most of the time. You go to the doctor or pharmacy and the employees there just submit claims based upon what they know or believe you need.

I mean this is totally correct. And it's rarely even the doctor too. She knows because her POS system is setup to automatically process shit even if the system is doing something totally fucking stupid that nobody in their right mind would do if they paid attention rather than just send it through.

But their answer to this is to enshrine it even more and make it a complete monopoly rather than tear down the problems they deliberately wanted built into the system.

[ClothedMac]

But this:

You are getting worked up over a false framing.

is demonstrably true, of all the Jon Stewart threads lately tbh.

I honestly think this would be a better place to post if every time Trump said something the thread wasn't a majority of people saying how screwed we are.

Also this.

It's tiring, and counter to producing any sort of helpful or stimulating conversation imho.

All in all, not bad Dinner Theatre. I give it 7 out of 10.

She's fully shown a disregard of reading the actual article.  There was the time she blasted a Washington post article and people said the headline is actually the opposite of what the article argues and she admitted she didn't read it because of a paywall and that time she only read the first half of a headline and became furious and "the implication."  Those two are just the prime examples of her method(maybe I'll find them for our new audience).  The others are just routine examples of a person needing to got mad at something and people pointing out she misinterpreted it. 

Babe, your 8 month break was good for everyone.  I especially assume yourself.  People know your deal.  You read headlines and use your superior intellect to discern the entire article, it's motivations, and facts within and then get snarky/chummy with people who point out blatant inaccuracies in what you say.

Yeah it was fun for five years but you can still develop a personality and not end up like Enzom or FatalFall

[Superstar]

Post in thread 'An original pair of ruby slippers that Dorothy wore in 'The Wizard of Oz' sell for a staggering $28 million at auction' https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-original-pair-of-ruby-slippers-that-dorothy-wore-in-the-wizard-of-oz-sell-for-a-staggering-28-million-at-auction.1054992/#post-132618453

Foot fetish jokes??....seriously??

[benji]

I just love how offended incelsiorlef gets whenever someone calls out how they reacted to a headline or single sentence or something. They don't get that mad about people disagreeing with them on substantive things.

[Alpacx]

Post in thread 'An original pair of ruby slippers that Dorothy wore in 'The Wizard of Oz' sell for a staggering $28 million at auction' https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-original-pair-of-ruby-slippers-that-dorothy-wore-in-the-wizard-of-oz-sell-for-a-staggering-28-million-at-auction.1054992/#post-132618453

Foot fetish jokes??....seriously??

Paraphilias cluster. Of course a website with people into cross dressing and anime loli would also be foot fetishists too.

[Potato]

This publicized large-scale and intense manhunt alongside the admonishment of the assassination without remotely engaging with the root cause of resentment is truly surreal to watch. To me, all it is doing is reinforcing what the ruling class and the complicit media are trying to avoid.

Because one thing is easily addressable and the other is not? As evidenced by how you clearly described one solution and the other was only nebulously and vaguely handwaved at without any form of elaboration.

No (ethical) media organisation is going to be discussing the supposed justifications of the killing until the suspect is caught and the facts can be examined.

At this point the story is a man hunt, so the media will cover the man hunt. If it turns into a story about a tragic story of death by medical insurance penny pinching then that's where the media will follow. 

The retards at Resetera seem to think that the media should decide the course of events rather than just reporting on the events as they occur. But I guess a generation raised on police procedurals and social media and a particular group which has developed a culture of public purges for wrongthink are mentally incapable of conceiving a world which they don't get to choose what other people do and say.

[ClothedMac]

I thought there was a 90's-00's Playboy issue with CEO's in it. It must've been the Starbucks and Wal-Mart issues.

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And two Ukrainians 

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I would post some hot Syrian's but yeesh.  That place is like Beirut times 20.  I don't think those factions even know what side they are on.  I don't want to post people on the bad side but Shannon Elizabeth's father is from Syria so go nuts with that

[Taco Bell Tower]

Nola is so gonna get ban.

[benji]

To combine strands back over from the Philosophical Discussions thread.

One of my major objections to the whole CEO discussion I failed to outline properly.

These are people who talk about everything and anything as SYSTEMIC and this is constantly taken as an excuse for you personally to not have to act in any moral or ethical manner. It's the bad luck and systemic issues! I can't pay off my debts because of the capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy making me tired!

But the CEO is INDIVIDUALLY and PERSONALLY responsible for what they outline as a SYSTEMIC problem. Sure, I suppose he could have gone out of his way to defy corporate and possibly regulatory policy in this one specific case. Or he could have done more things and ruined the company. Which would have replaced him with a compliant CEO. That's the SYSTEMIC problem you're complaining about, but you're holding him PERSONALLY responsible for acting within the SYSTEM even though I just illustrated how eliminating him personally doesn't change it.

It's not justified from your own framework. The same thing they do a lot to whites or men or white women I guess.

This leaves the only "moral" response anyone can take to not justify being murdered as doing nothing at all but bitching about everything. Again, it comes back to their own lives.

[DavidCroquet]

Nola is so gonna get ban.

I wonder. B-Dubs himself dressed down Excel in the past on this exact topic. She ain’t got too many allies these days.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

To combine strands back over from the Philosophical Discussions thread.

One of my major objections to the whole CEO discussion I failed to outline properly.

These are people who talk about everything and anything as SYSTEMIC and this is constantly taken as an excuse for you personally to not have to act in any moral or ethical manner. It's the bad luck and systemic issues! I can't pay off my debts because of the capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy making me tired!

But the CEO is INDIVIDUALLY and PERSONALLY responsible for what they outline as a SYSTEMIC problem. Sure, I suppose he could have gone out of his way to defy corporate and possibly regulatory policy in this one specific case. Or he could have done more things and ruined the company. Which would have replaced him with a compliant CEO. That's the SYSTEMIC problem you're complaining about, but you're holding him PERSONALLY responsible for acting within the SYSTEM even though I just illustrated how eliminating him personally doesn't change it.

It's not justified from your own framework. The same thing they do a lot to whites or men or white women I guess.

This leaves the only "moral" response anyone can take to not justify being murdered as doing nothing at all but bitching about everything. Again, it comes back to their own lives.

I don't read that thread because blah.

But this is bullshit. 

CEOs are picked to direct a company and navigate it in a certain manner. 

It's them mandating the culture of the company. 

Murdering ceos is clearly not the solution, but they don't get absolved of the responsibility for participating in the systemic problems they are building out.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Hey Bire

Eat the hell out of me

I’ll eat your dick. I believe that has plenty of potassium.

I'm not B-Dubs Banana Blast bro

[Boredfrom]

The CEO trapped by the system feels like a convenient excuse like Melds not doing anything with her life because society.

I don’t think Benji is wrong per se, for the record, just rub me the wrong way.

[benji]

It's also another instance where they think they can rhetorically incite people to sustained action. They don't know what this action should be and they don't want to do anything themselves but they think rhetorically amping things will convince others to bring about the systemic change they want but can't remotely articulate or explain how to achieve.

"You should kill people so you can get what we want."

I don't read that thread because blah.

But this is bullshit. 

CEOs are picked to direct a company and navigate it in a certain manner. 

It's them mandating the culture of the company. 

Murdering ceos is clearly not the solution, but they don't get absolved of the responsibility for participating in the systemic problems they are building out.

You can't have it both ways, either you're responsible for your actions or the system is responsible for your actions. You don't get to pick and choose for each individual person and exempt yourself while blaming others for not replacing the entire system themselves.

The CEO trapped by the system feels like a convenient excuse like Melds not doing anything with her life because society.

But this is not what I'm saying.

If it's a systemic problem, the system the way it is can't be his fault. If he has the personal ability to not ever do it, it's not a systemic problem.

You can object to the decision made or say he should be murdered for this specific action, but that doesn't speak to any systemic problem. You're making a leap to what you really want to focus on by conflating two different things and ignoring one of them.

The argument that if you don't want to get murdered you shouldn't participate in the system in any way will not result in systemic change. It's just a justification to murder whoever you want because you don't like them.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I'm not following what you're trying to say honestly.

It's a systemic problem, created and crafted by people like him.

Not solely him, but a long lineage of fuck people over at every turn as long as they get theirs.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Also, 4 pages with no top of page Gadot?

Fucking lunacy.

[benji]

I'm not following what you're trying to say honestly.

It's a systemic problem, created and crafted by people like him.

Not solely him, but a long lineage of fuck people over at every turn as long as they get theirs.

But that's not their position, their position is that the system overrides any individual agency.

[benji]

Though I suppose since he was a white cishet male that perhaps they would consider him to have agency.

[Boredfrom]

Oh, I get it now.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Oh, I get it now.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Oh, I get it now.

[Uncle]

penis

[ComeAgain]

why don't you quote the posts you're crying about?

I mean you liked them dickhead.

what do you think is incorrect about what was posted? don't just be like blanket "this kind of speech is unacceptable," say what's wrong with it

it was probably arrived at through some kind of reasoning, like the idea that being born with XY chromosomes is a biological reality that makes you male

is that what you take issue with? the idea that sex and gender are two different things, and that it must be cruel to refer to someone by their sex when they prefer to go by the gender they feel?

Scrolling through old pages and what is shit like this? You need to be told what’s wrong with being transphobic? There is genuine mean ass shit being posted in this thread these days about trans people. It is in fact cruel to call someone who feels on the inside they were born the wrong gender a guy when they feel like a girl or vice versa. It’s fairly goddamn easy to just be decent and call them by what they feel whether it’s he or she. Takes zero effort at all.

Maybe it’s that fat fascist fuck being voted back into office that’s made me wake up and smell the coffee on stuff like this but it’s gross behavior that shouldn’t be tolerated or joked about.

[benji]

It is in fact cruel to call someone who feels on the inside they were born the wrong gender a guy when they feel like a girl or vice versa. It’s fairly goddamn easy to just be decent and call them by what they feel whether it’s he or she. Takes zero effort at all.

It is in fact cruel to tell someone that their cracker and wine is not the literal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, who is our Lord and Savior and created all of us in His image. It's fairly goddamn easy to just be decent and tell them what they feel. Takes zero effort at all.