(02-28-2025, 09:55 PM)Nintex wrote: It all went well until Vance explained that the Biden policy didn't work and the US is now trying diplomacy. He literally used the words: Putin invaded Ukraine.
For some reason Zelensky started an argument with Vance and it derailed.
that was not the important part
Quote:J.D. Vance: For four years, in the United States of America, we had a president who stood up in press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the president of the United States’ words mattered more than the president of the United States’ actions. What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That’s what President Trump is doing.
the clear implication is "diplomacy with putin"
so zelenskyy says, motherfucker, we've TRIED diplomacy with putin, and see what it got us
Quote:Volodymyr Zelensky: He [Putin] occupied various parts of Ukraine in 2014. During that time, it was President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, and now it’s President Trump and he will stop him [Putin]. But during 2014, nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed people. From 2014 till 2022, the situation was the same—people have been dying on the contact line and nobody stopped him. We had a lot of conversations with him, including a bilateral conversation. As a new president in 2019, I signed with him a cease-fire deal alongside Macron and Merkel. All of them told me that he will never go. We also signed a gas contract with him. But after all of that, he broke the cease-fire. He killed our people, and he didn’t exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn’t do it. What kind of diplomacy, J.D., are you speaking about? What do you mean?
vance touched a nerve...but while no one should have to put up with all the bullshit zelenskyy was being forced to listen to, a better move would've been to internally scream while nodding along, sign the papers, and be done with it
but I can't blame him for taking issue with that rhetoric