Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[benji]

In fact, wasn't there a thread where they discussed this? That was full of people thinking Osama's complaint against America was about Israel?

Probably isn't this one, most people seem upset at Osama taking direct action against fascist oppressors:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rolling-stone-osama-bin-laden%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98letter-to-america%E2%80%99-goes-viral-21-years-later-%E2%80%94-on-tiktok.785970/

Bin Laden, of all the fuckers, should not be relevant enough to warrant even an article on Yahoo in 2023 if America didn't do her absolute best to remain a plutocratic colonial power helping to wage a genocide against Muslims. We had all that time to learn, like, a single lesson. Now here we are with this bullshit.

Teaching the uncritical history of a nation and their current wrongs has greater risks of promoting and inspiring revolutionary acts, which is, like, the last thing the people in charge want. What they want are media-illiterate worker bees, because that's how you ensure you get away with highway robbery within the nation and without. Hell, the fact that OBL might be some college student's first entry point with anti-capitalist and anti-colonial rhetoric is actually point in America's favor, because you can tie all of the theory to a dead theocratic terrorist which leads much easier to its wholesale dismissal. Even in this thread people are complaining about batshit progressives. The message is working as intended.

Yes. America cannot learn a lesson about it because it can't be discussed honestly. It was an unjustifiable atrocity but if you attempt to explore reasons it happened beyond "Good US vs Evil Them", you'll be branded a terrorist sympathiser. Much like the current Gaza conflict.

Oh it's definitely not sustainable. Even disregarding the inevitably of human development, at the current rate that wealth and capital accumulation is occurring at the top in the US, capitalism as we know it is absolutely on a timetable. What is happening was never going to last forever; the capitalists and class traitorous assholes insisting it would can at least take comfort in the fact that they'll likely die before the wall comes down. But again, if you are a politician or a capitalist, you are going to do your best to hold the line, and teaching the raw history of the United Fucking States is the equivalent of inting; you're ensuring you lose the game faster. Either we will go through a fascist overhaul and burn out, coming out as a former shell on the other side, or Democrats reform themselves into some actual fucking leftist opposition that stands on worker and minority rights unflinchingly. Because the moment a critical mass people starts experiencing food insecurity is the moment that the masses are coming for every politician, red and blue. And I'm hardly going to try and talk them out of it.

This is really fishy. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole stunt is a psyop by zionists or the govt itself to get the US to ban TikTok after all the pro-palestine content that's gone viral.

Last GOP debate the candidates were calling for TT to get banned for "intentionally" pushing "pro-hamas" content on kids. I can absolutely see this bin laden stunt as a way to poison the discourse and flair up calls to ban the app even moreso

Imagine our society being so broken that people are handing it to OBL/UBL.

I would be surprised if that's what's happening with these people. It seems more like people are shocked that he's not a xenomorph and actually had views on western economies and Israeli occupation. And shocked that there would be similarities between some of his views and some of their own on these subjects. Particularly given these people would (and I'm guessing a bit here) have grown up with the view that the man just wanted to murder Americans for fun. I would be very surprised if any of them agree that American civilians deserved to pay for the situation in the middle east with their blood. I expect it's more of the recent realisation amongst young people that terrorist acts are not spontaneous events and by definition they have political aims.

Older people get mad at young people learning more about someone who older people only taught as being the devil incarnate and nothing more.

It's not surprising that young people are surprise to find out Bin Laden was more of a natural product of America's colonialism than a random violent force.

Of course anyone fully supporting the letter is bananas because there is some heinous shit in there. But America can use more self-reflection that's not conflict is good vs evil. Given that the latest complicated geo-politics event some people really want to push it as good vs evil I'm not sure if these are the people I'm worried about.

As authoritarian murderers as they are, even Putin and Ji's takes on America are not rocket science. It says less about Bin Laden being astute and more about how brainwashed we are as Americans to how this country functions. It's the joke of how Bruce Springsteen and Rage Against the Machine are super popular with people who never actually listened to the lyrics, lol.

Sad thing is all those Tik Toker's will sell the fuck out the first chance they get and blame these 'truths' as youthful indiscretion.

I think the thing that scares the establishment is that often the enemy can have rational (at least to them) ideologies. They can be abhorrent and wrong, but it's why they are able to organize in the first place.

But they've created such a vacuum of trust in institutions that an Oxford educated ideologue can say "American tax payers fund bombs that kill people" and someone can go, "Oh wow, he has a point". Just look at the western response to the genocide in Gaza, funded and supplied by America, and someone who already mistrusts institutions will in fact follow the dril post.

I mean, people's lack of scientific and media literacy is primarily the fault of our public and higher education systems breaking down in numerous ways, many of which were deliberately done by politicians and corporations who balk at an educated populace for the reasons I already described earlier. Get rid of the Internet and you only slow down the ideological evolution.

Lately, with the conflict between Israel and Palestine, I am seeing a lot of hatred towards the USA on social networks.

As is only right, the amount of damage this country has inflicted throughout the world is enormous

Oh I know why literacy rates have fallen recently, but Americans' relationship with literacy, education, and conspiracism has always been tenuous and whitewashed because the reality of the matter is fundamentally against the political and economic interests of the United States. It is literally better for politicians to make sure we are, at max, only as smart as is necessary to fulfill the functions of capitalism and be unable to question and thus fight Western hegemony. You only start getting a more accurate historical education in college, and even then that's dependent upon your privileges to even get to college and interests in the subject. Most folks, even leftists, know fuck all about the Global South, and that isn't a new development from the pandemic. That's by design of this country.

I agree.

Maybe, just maybe you should listen to your enemies when they tell you why the fuck they hate you with a passion.
Instead of most americans just thinking us brown people are just barbaric and hate american freedom.
Just look at what is happening in Palestine today.

I noticed that B-Dubs pushed back against other conspiracy theories in this thread but not Nepenthe's where the government spending more on education than ever as more people go to college than ever is part of a capitalist plot to make people stupider so as to hold off capitalisms inevitable collapse due to food scarcity. (As Americans get fatter than ever.)

edit: Wait, this thread is from 2023. I was remembering one that seemed to be from last year and was full of more HamasEra plus "TikTok is being shut down for opposing Zionism" talk.