03-10-2025, 12:53 AM
It's really just the US drifting away from Europe in general.
The vibe shifted long ago, MAGA is just twisting the knife as they pull it out.
Strangely enough the last President that had real respect for Europe was H.W. Bush, the Gulf War was a real joint effort.
Already it slipped under Clinton who made a deal with the Serbs without informing his European allies. Not to mention they backed the corruption in Moscow that would birth Putin.
When Putin came to the scene it was obvious something was very wrong when the Kursk sank and he shrugged and the Russians invaded Chechnya and later Georgia.
But the US insisted that Putin was a good guy.
Post 9/11 as far as the Americans were concerned it was never enough. Obama? He spied on all EU leaders and frankly didn't give a shit about Crimea and other European crises.
Biden? He fanned the flames in Ukraine and pulled out of Afghanistan without informing his European allies.
Trump? Transactional as expected but unexpected that he is seemingly uninterested to strike deals. He just wants to cut his losses.
I think what surprises the Americans is how well Europe and China get along. People here see China as a different culture but not as a threat. And China and Japan are the most popular non-EU countries by far.
Overall we still like some American brands (although Adidas has now taken over Nike) but we no longer follow the lifestyle like we did in the 90's and early 2000's.
And you can see it everywhere. The Spotify Top 10 in the Netherlands has just 2 American songs at numbers 7 and 8, and 8 is a collab between a Korean-New Zealand artist and Bruno Mars. Xbox is pretty much dead in Europe. iPhone is losing more and more ground to Samsung and Chinese brands. When it comes to video games overall Japan is dominant again.
The vibe shifted long ago, MAGA is just twisting the knife as they pull it out.
Strangely enough the last President that had real respect for Europe was H.W. Bush, the Gulf War was a real joint effort.
Already it slipped under Clinton who made a deal with the Serbs without informing his European allies. Not to mention they backed the corruption in Moscow that would birth Putin.
When Putin came to the scene it was obvious something was very wrong when the Kursk sank and he shrugged and the Russians invaded Chechnya and later Georgia.
But the US insisted that Putin was a good guy.
Post 9/11 as far as the Americans were concerned it was never enough. Obama? He spied on all EU leaders and frankly didn't give a shit about Crimea and other European crises.
Biden? He fanned the flames in Ukraine and pulled out of Afghanistan without informing his European allies.
Trump? Transactional as expected but unexpected that he is seemingly uninterested to strike deals. He just wants to cut his losses.
I think what surprises the Americans is how well Europe and China get along. People here see China as a different culture but not as a threat. And China and Japan are the most popular non-EU countries by far.
Overall we still like some American brands (although Adidas has now taken over Nike) but we no longer follow the lifestyle like we did in the 90's and early 2000's.
And you can see it everywhere. The Spotify Top 10 in the Netherlands has just 2 American songs at numbers 7 and 8, and 8 is a collab between a Korean-New Zealand artist and Bruno Mars. Xbox is pretty much dead in Europe. iPhone is losing more and more ground to Samsung and Chinese brands. When it comes to video games overall Japan is dominant again.