12-07-2024, 09:51 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/jon-stewart-criticizes-the-us-medias-coverage-of-the-upcoming-trump-administration.1054482/page-2#post-132594369
excelsiorlef wrote:I've noticed that for everyone being like but the whole podcast, episode but Bernie, that they actually don't have a response to this specific garbage take , just that they don't want people to think about it.
Nola wrote:Because the take you quoted is bullshit, like seriously, gain some basic media literacy skills and watch the actual podcast and delineate tone and context on your own terms if you are actually capable.
You came across someone lazily writing about a 45 second statement that took a stream of consciousness statement about the uncertainty of this moment and the media doing what they always do which is focusing on the most sensationalist angle and Stewart cautioned against people following suit into catastrophizing on the medias terms as a bridge to bringing on Sanders where they spent the next 58 minutes discussing how to respond to Trump, how address the underlying conditions of Americans anger, how to address our political systems corruption and moneyed capture, what policies and reforms could make people regain faith in government, how to improve labor conditions for the working class, how to get Democrats to value the norms that matter but push past the ones that don't to help actually pass their agendas, and the ways that people can stand up for workers and continually expose Trump's hypocrisy.
But by all means, go on and offer your alternative perspective on these issues if you are so fucking offended by the takes of Bernie and Stewart.
I actually would fucking love to hear what your advice is for everything they spoke about, if you can actually recall what it is their discussion entailed since you are so fucking confident in your takes. Like please, summarize their points and tell me why it is they are wrong substantively and what you propose as an alternative. And not just on the first 45 seconds but the entire fucking conversation. Like I would be very curious what it is exactly you disagree with on their criticisms of the failures of incrementalism and the failures of securing healthcare rights as a starting point for this conversation.
excelsiorlef wrote:But the media is not catastrophizing Trump, it's not a thing that is factually happening or has even happened, they've never treated him as the threat he actually is, and never will. This is a fictional media! It doesn't exist. Lambasting the media for being too scary about the future under Trump is fucking nonsense. The mainstream press sucks for the exact opposite reason Stewart is claiming.
You don't inspire people to fight by saying we shouldn't fear the worst, that we don't know what it'll look like... Trans women have already already been banned from washrooms at the capital and the new Administration hasn't even started yet...
You're doing exactly what I said while essentially calling me illiterate.
Also the other quote in the article is really interesting, because it's about the MSG rally and how the media fucked up by focusing on the jokes... but Jon Stewart fucked that up too, just differently, he did have a passionate deconstruction of the dangers of Trump's deportation plan... but he buried himself by first talking about the racist jokes and how funny he found them, a completely and utterly unnecessary bridge to his salient argument that actively causes people to tune out because he said something incredibly stupid and unnecessary and disconcerting first, fundamentally doing his own flavour of what the mainstream press did.
Nola wrote:You are boxing shadows
I am being genuine here, listen to the episode instead of basing your takes off a goddamn clickbait Variety article by an author that seems to let AI do his job for him and angles his writing for emotionally appealing clicks.
You are getting worked up over a false framing.
Literally the starting off point Stewart made was talking about America being in a tumultuous and worrisome period but critiquing the media for trying to Impose a sort of helplessness. Which bridges to 58 minutes of discussion on what to do going forward.
Like seriously, are you angry that they didn't spend that time crying and encouraging everyone toward a sort of helplessness? Cause personally I would prefer that people in positions of influence use their platforms to hash out internal failure, what we can do next, and discuss ways things that could resonate with enough people to build the necessary majorities we need to enact real change. Which is what this discussion with Bernie was trying to do.