Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

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 Melody, seriously..

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*puts on Mod Admiral hat*

 Don't you dare report them to B-dubs. We know you MODS like to stick together.

[benji]

Somebody make one of those hands shaking memes with "Left" and "Centrists/Right" and what they're shaking on is "bitching about Era's terrible moderation."

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Somebody make one of those hands shaking memes with "Left" and "Centrists/Right" and what they're shaking on is "bitching about Era's terrible moderation."

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/reading-is-not-political.1032066/

So, over on BookTok (book-focused spaces on TikTok) there has been an ongoing debate since around Tuesday on whether reading is political, whether books are political, whether authors are political. My feed is usually filled with Fantasy readers and sometimes Romance readers, so I suppose those are the main audiences getting involved in this debate.

I have seen several authors and influencers responding to comments and saying that well actually, almost all books are political, even if you believe they aren't. Even Fantasy Smut (sex-focused books).

The people who say reading is not political claim to read entirely for escapism. They say they like to turn their brain off. The less they have to think about real world implications, the better, and they actively avoid it. I think some people might resonate with this sort of mentality recently too.

Where do you fall in this argument?

Reading also makes you a Nazi according to Ree years ago.

[Taco Bell Tower]

[PogiJones]

If you don't agree 100% with me you're not an ally.

It takes a real narcissist to think that them granting you the status of "my ally" is some grand gift that they are threatening to revoke, never realizing that allyship is partnership where you work for each other. Instead, they think of allyship as servitude, and you should be grateful for the privilege. Total narcissists. 

Bonus: They also don't realize that no one wants to be allies with lunatic perpetually online douche bags with no redeeming value.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reading-is-not-political.1032066/

I think to make an argument that reading is always political you need to stretch the definition of political to the point the word becomes worthless.

So, let's do that:

The values and world view of the author are always reflected in some way, whether the book is explicitly about politics or not. If you don't want to think about the real world implications then that's fine I guess but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

Any story can become political, as almost every story has some sort of power structure involved in it which in its very essence is political.

Considering dictatorships and fascist regimes will regularly ban or burn books, there are aspects of reading that are absolutely political. Sure, some books are just mindless escapes with no messaging whatsoever, but books have the power to completely change one's way of thinking or perspective on their surrounding environment in the present.

Everything inherently creative is shaped by politics.

We live in a world where there are countries where women don't have the right to educate themselves.

Western civilisations used to have such a low level of education that only the rich could read, that further cemented power within the upper class.

Illiteracy levels in western countries are still too high.

The very act of reading is political. We just take it for granted.

I was about to say something along the same lines. It's easy not to view it as political act if you've had the privilege of not being barred from reading.

I'm a Black Haitian-American. It was literally illegal for my people to learn to read. Reading is INHERENTLY political for me in my context. I'd imagine it's the same for multiple other demographics.

Then there's the whole underfunding the schools in poor neighbors to keep the kids less informed and educated so they can become less informed and educated adults.

It's all political. That's life and that's being human. Even having the argument at all makes all books political.

Going to miss TikTok after it's banned. It has problems but it's been one of the few social media sites with progressive voices. Been happy seeing the post election pushback.

Is it actually?

Or are we all stuck in our own algorithm bubbles and we are just thinking it is more progressive.

I'm honestly not sure anymore. I'm seeing a lot of people saying they've seen people get stuck down the right wing algorithm on there too.

Do we honestly truly know if it's better there than other social media or not?

Probably!

TikTolk's algo is pretty good, though. I feel YT and others have a right wing bias.

i think we can open the discussion further and ask if addictive algorithms, modern systems of content consumption and an artificial elevation of hobbyist discourse are anti art. I would say they are and all of those decrease engagement in actual critical thought

Liberals need everything they do to feel political in absence of them actually thinking or doing anything about their politics. The amount of people I saw gleefully saying they were gonna buy starbucks again because they perceived muslims to have lost Kamala the election was astounding

Revenge politics are not a new thing but the way American liberals haplessly present themselves as both an ally and an enemy at the same time is always interesting. And yes I do think you're correct that liberals retreat into easy political gesturing vs. being able to define themselves against an actual philosophy

the fact that this "discussion" is taking place on a platform designed to keep you addicted and agitated to me makes its validity questionable

Hateful bigoted sacks of shit who don't like thing will hide behind "political" so that they don't have to reveal themselves as hateful bigoted sacks of shit in the moment.

What is the goal of arguing something is apolitical? I can't think of anything that isn't an excuse.

Books are by nature political as all things are political; they're works of human creation and reflect the assumptions, biases, and worldviews of the people creating them. Some are more political than others - Das Capital is more political than The Very Hungry Caterpillar - but they're all political as life is political.

At the same time, the ability to read - literacy - is EXTREMELY political. Widespread literacy has radically changed any nation or culture where it's introduced. The ability to reproduce words and distribute them locally, nationally, and internationally is an often-forgotten underpinning of the world as we know it. Reading is a vital facet of the human experience and it's something governments do seek to control, one way or the other.

But reading a book is not necessarily a valuable political act - like, reading smut fiction does not make you part of a revolution - and there's a shitton of things that are political. "Everything is political, including reading" is probably a better way to communicate that idea. Reading is less political than many things but more political than many others.

I think reading is political in that everything is, and can be made, political.

Gestures around vaguely.

I think a more "accepted" way to put it is that reading literature, particularly popular literature, is a reflection of the culture and times in which it was produced.

TikTok's algorithm is good at "locking you in" to something. You got lucky that it was a progressive slant.

It's one of the worst sources for pushing people - particularly boys and young men - over to the right.

Being literate is political so yeah I'd say books are also.

This. Writers views and ideas are shaped by their life experiences no matter how fantastical the book setting might be and your life experiences are a reflection of the politics of your nation and your place within it.

If you don't think books are political, chances are incredibly high that you yourself occupy a position in your society where politics don't really affect you and you can opt out of them completely.

Yeah, this, altough I'd say it's vastly more likely they either don't fully comprehend the question or are making a bad faith argument.

Let's say I want to write a book...ohhh, lets say it's a Fantasy/Romance for the young adult age range.

(!!! Fantasy!? Now I've pissed off the church.)

And it's about two characters who meet amid impossible circumstances and fall in love. One's a fairy prince, and the other is a young merman and commander of the armies of a vast underwater empire.

(!!! Two male characters fall in love!? This is GAY!? You're pushing an ideology on the CHILDREN!!!)

The merman is muscular, rugged and European in appearance. With pale skin, and long rebellious hair fire red in color. The fairy prince is well-toned but slight, with delicate features, and deep brown skin that is almost ethereal in its unblemished perfection.

(!!! INTRERRACIAL!?!? THIS IS TOO WOKE! YOU'RE TYING TO INFECT MY KIDS WITH THE WOKE VIRUS!!)

See what happens when we pretend that books aren't inherently political? Or be made to appear that way?

I went to the page of one of the creators who complained about how Booktok is for escapism and not political. Her page is overwhelmingly "spicy" dark romance, including audio clips. Erotic romance narrators often do audio erotica too. That's sex work, which is hugely political.

In the case of the US election, all of the conservative women who want to listen to their Joe Arden male MC-narrated audiobooks "mindlessly" are unaware of all of the historical and political context that even makes this possible for them, and that Project 2025 definitely wants to make it impossible.

 probably the rest of the six pages are exactly like this

[benji]

It takes a real narcissist to think that them granting you the status of "my ally" is some grand gift that they are threatening to revoke, never realizing that allyship is partnership where you work for each other. Instead, they think of allyship as servitude, and you should be grateful for the privilege. Total narcissists. 

This is essentially the end state of all their "arguments" that they're underlined with a threat of them saying they don't approve. On ResetERA.com with the use of force of banning.

Think about what would happen if they didn't immediately dismiss any disagreement and actually engaged with the opposition where would it lead? Like if you dismissed literally all their concerns about Harry Potter as blatantly false, which they are, what would they be left with to argue why you should not even speak about it? WELL I DISAPPROVE OF THAT  

You're supposed to fear any disapproval from any source so much that the threat of someone disapproving, of being told you aren't an ally, that you won't be invited to the cool activist parties anymore, etc. is supposed to dissuade you from expressing your actual views. You should definitely fear disapproval from any member of any caste above you in the progressive stack aka hierarchy. You should especially fear disapproval from me, the self-declared avatar of the Good, at the top of the stack.

Like I said, projection.

A lot of the trans stuff is visibly this too, they see their maleness as the source of disapproval, so if they can simply make themselves not male they will be approved without having to change anything about themselves. They all have stories about feeling others don't think they're masculine enough, fearing that they're homosexual and being treated as such, etc. So, wholesome sapphic romance as far as the eye can see is the "answer" to avoid all this. It's preemptively forcing approval.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

"You're not an ally if you continue seeing your Trump voting family."

"Ok, guess I'm not an ally anymore."

Banned (Permanently)

[benji]

WHITE WOMEN FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, BLACK WOMEN ARE DONE 

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Black woman give me life.

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[benji]

If the Democrats want me to vote, then why aren't they abolishing the state? Don't they know that I refuse to vote for them because of this? It's like they don't even listen to me.

[Polident]

Why would anybody listen to these types who were dead wrong about everything, incapable of self reflection, and failed to learn from failures.

In Marvel terms, it’d be like immediately rehiring everybody involved with Madame Web to make a sequel expecting a hit next time.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Sounds like you're not an ally. 

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-trump-is-going-to-try-to-make-transgenderism-illegal.1032117/

Multiple posts bitching about "transgenderism" in the title, zero bitching about the fact that the tweet in the OP doesn't saying anything about making it illegal:

Trump says he’ll sign an executive order instructing all Federal agencies to cease all programs that promote gender transition AT ANY AGE.

Trump will also call on Congress to prohibit tax payer funding for sex affirming procedures.

A few people are asking for a proper source at least.

He has zero fucking stake in others' lives, their culture, or their mental health. He's just going along with the absolute villains that want to control how people live. It's so fucked up how quickly we got here and how avoidable this was.

I have really got to get on top of DIY hormones. My doctor is very kind and will work with me as best as she's allowed to, but I live in a state where it's likely I won't be able to get more via the healthcare system. Lots of stuff I should have already been preparing for.

Going to have to yell at a coworker who said this wouldn't be possible.

This was all known about, made explicit policy well ahead of time and heavily advertised. And 70m+ Americans voted for it.

But, you know, price of eggs and all that.

Yeah, he's been touting this, so get ready folks. Look after yourself, look after those you love!

In addition to being a year old, an executive order of this nature would be immediately be fought back. I don't think he'd get very far forcing such an executive order on trans adults so quickly, especially in the states that already have strong protections for trans people.

That being said, everyone should be prepared for what happens once Trump is in office. Especially if you're in a very red state without legal protections for trans people.

Mhmm, well, this was unfortunately pretty much my first thought about what they'd be aiming for now.

Just… fucking infuriating and heartbreaking to think about. Even if they don't actually achieve all of what they want, the constant focus on making trans people's lives worse is going to have a very real cost, especially with how much of that has been focused on kids.

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Gods help us all.

From the party of "small government" smh.

Can't say what i really wanna say cause I probably get me banned or have the feds knocking on my door.

So, stay safe everyone out there and wish you all the best. It's gonna get bad out there.

Then B-Dubs locked it.

[benji]

Because they're largely spineless cowards who continue to think "norms" are still in place and they refuse to do the shit they actually need to do.

In short, they're fucking delusional.

[benji]

The Ohio National Guard shot and killed 4 protestors against the Vietnam war at Kent State in a peaceful protest, and not a single one of the shooters suffered any legal consequence.

Do not rely on the police or army to safeguard you from tyrants and violence.

A grand jury indicted five guardsmen on felony charges: Lawrence Shafer, 28, and James McGee, 28, both of Ravenna, Ohio; James Pierce, 30, of Amelia Island, Florida; William Perkins, 38, of Canton, Ohio; and Ralph Zoller, 27, of Mantua, Ohio. Additionally, Barry Morris, 30, of Kent, Ohio; Leon Smith, 27, of Beach City, Ohio; and Matthew McManus, 28, of West Salem, Ohio, were indicted on misdemeanor charges.


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Civil actions were also attempted against the guardsmen, the state of Ohio, and the president of Kent State. The federal court civil action for wrongful death and injury, brought by the victims and their families against Ohio Governor Rhodes, the president of Kent State, and the National Guardsmen, resulted in unanimous verdicts for all defendants on all claims after an eleven-week trial

 

y'all aren't going to last four years if you can't learn to recognize when something he is proposing is an actual plan and when it is just mouthsounds

either listen to the people who understand the issue better than you explain why it won't happen, or move along. because it's mutually exhausting for everyone to have a discussion thread being derailed by fantasies of things that cannot and will not happen.

People are already forgetting his first term…..
"well he couldn't possibly do that could be?"
Guess what, he did it. And this time he has nothing to stop him.

Love how free nazi speech and gun laws can't be regulated to hell, cause of the constitution, but magats immediately gonna change everything else they don't like with ease.

I hope this is the case, but he has a rubber stamp in the form of the supreme court. His last term saw to that.

Just a reminder they ignored Trumps Ineligibility to even run due to the 14th Amendment in this election even though its pretty obvious to anybody who can read he was ineligible. This point should never be forgotten and a perfect example that with the Supreme Court in his pocket that he doesn't have to worry about things like the Constitution.

The second amendment doesn't actually say that everyone has a right to own a gun. They can interpret however they want.

There are going to be a lot of "they can't do that; it's against the rules" surprises in the coming decade.

Is there a reason why Biden doesn't just sign 50 executive orders himself? Even if they will get overruled by the Supreme Court, this will likely take quite some time.

I doubt the US military is going to physical apprehend protestors and engage in domestic activities against citizens. You'd probably see much friction against such ideas with resignations and protests from within too. He isn't going to just give orders and it happens. There's too much money in the us military complex for his desires to railroad it.

Yeah, I don't buy this. The military _absolutely_ could to be executing protestors, and engaging in activities against citizens. The model for the new dictatorship in America is Russia. If you protest, you'll be jailed. Free speech only exists for "his people". I'm not saying that _will_ happen, but the republican party has been a russian plant for some time now. you can be assured they're taking notes. Of course, people _will_ resign, but enough will be left.

The issue is, with a SCOTUS that literally bent over backwards to declare him king, who the fuck knows what they will do if this hits their dock.

so if he ends it that will only affect children born after the executive order and not be retroactive, right?

There's no reason to assume this. The endgame is a totalitarian dictatorship where anyone can be disappeared for any reason. You hope the institutions hold out but the time for that hope was Trump's first term and the country barely survived it.

God help this poor nation the next four years, I have no idea what will be left of it.

I already know how this is gonna play out, Supreme Court and that coonery and buffoonery bred Clarence Thomas gonna probably say that it only applies to slaves, the children of slaves and freed persons and native Americans already existing in the US at its creation. Or they're gonna use fraud and "Anti-American" affiliation for the undocumented. Or probably both. Fucking disgusting shit that spits in the face of the entire purpose of America.

"He can't do that".

yall about to learn how bad it can get with this second term.

It's nuts. Who cares if it's unconstitutional once you've been locked up, deported, etc. what are you going to do to get your life back. Your house has been rented/sold to someone new, your job got filled, and you have to explain why you have an X month/year gap on everything. And that's if things go well.

He literally can't do that.

I'm having deja vu. Did y'all saying this learn nothing during his first term?

He literally can't do that.

What he can and can't do is only limited by the other branches, both of which are under his thumb now. There is no magic barrier he can't cross just because a piece of paper says he can't. Some are basically relying on the integrity of 6 justices who have already shown they have none. It doesn't mean he is going to be allowed to do whatever he wants, but I don't know why some people are so certain about things that can't happen. I dont know if it's cope or what.

It's probably cope. We're still in the interim period, in a country of relative peace.

They're coming after legal citizens too..

Yep. They started talking about exactly this on November 6th.
We're officially entering the "find out" stage.

Been saying for months that the "push out them babies" agenda was specifically to get that white nationalist dream of pushing back against minority growth here, and to replace the low income workforce (immigrants on farms as well) they need something to replace them with.

Defund the Department of Education in a country that's already struggling with an educated population and the oligarchs get their fiefdoms full of stupid peasant slaves.

Trump sees what Orban did to Hungary. No more free press. Businesses must kiss the ring or be closed. Any dissension is met with force.

Guess the end goal is the anglo ethno state sometime over the next 12-20 years.

So then I guess the plan will be to remove the citizenship of open protestors/leftists/anyone who opposes Trump then.

When that doesn't work, or is too slow he can just abuse the Patriot Act and shoot them, because they will be designated "terrorists".

We don't need to ignoring stuff right now. He is planning on signing one one, which is accurate. Not reporting it doesn't make it go away.

Yeah I don't see the logic here. Believe fascists when they say they're gonna do fascist shit.

It's like some weird reverse-Boy Who Cried Wolf situation where the wolf is there and is actively threatening to eat the boy, but only shows up after the boy cries about it enough times for everyone else to stop giving a shit. Like all the stuff leading up to the end was still a legitimate threat and in fact a stepping stone to that point, and if you didn't report on it before would that have made it not happen? No, right? The solution is for the town to always treat fascists as a threat.

Trump can and will do whatever he wants…. The Republican Party holds the majority and the same with SCOTUS.. he has immunity on his side. Stop doubting his future power. The guardrails are off. Kamala said it every day.

Just get your loved ones protected as best you know how and fight when needed.

Some people think puppies are the cutest thing in the world. Some like kittens, or baby sheep, or duckies.

Me? Definitely gotta be people who still think Republicans won't do what they say they're gonna do just because of, like, laws or the constitution or something.

If there's one thing that all dictatorships have in common, it's their adherence to the rules and operating within the bounds of the law as they rise to power.

"He can't do that" oh thank god facists follow pre existing laws and don't just ignore or change the rules when they have full power.

Look, the fact that people are still downplaying Trump is a perfect indication on why he won a second term. Trump can't do things... until he does. We saw this play out constantly during his first term.

I don't understand sentiments like this. We literally just had Stephen Miller, who was in charge of immigration in Trump's first admin, say they are going to "turbocharge" denaturalization to discourage illegal crossing into the US. They are aiming to deport a million people a year. Steve Bannon just said that Project 2025 was the plan all along.

Side eyeing the hell out everyone downplaying this.

Why would it matter if it's something he said 2 years ago. Why does it make it better knowing he won't be able to do this on day one?

Why downplay the racist intentions of even saying something like this, unless you support what he's selling?

I mean, if somebody hasn't realized this after living through his first term, they haven't been paying attention. Social norms and decorum mean nothing to him and his administration.

People fearing the worst have legit reasons to feel that way.

This is what his voters... And the non kamala voters wanted. Thanks yall

Nazi's turned the weimar republic into a fascist dictatorship in a matter of months. The idea that you can't speedrun this is incredibly naive. Replacing potential threats in the military leadership would likely be one of the first things Trump does if he intends to go full fascist, and once the military is under his thumb nothing else actually matters much

Yep. Looks like it.
Step 1 forigners
Step 2. Terrorists
Step 3 democrats

If all done in 2 year that's a 66% majority in the house/senate and a blank check to write his own laws and pass via supermajority

RIP democracy

Yes, Stephen Miller has said the plan is to turbocharge denaturalization. I'm not sure how far back it could go, but I'm sure they'll go for as far as they can. Great-grandmothers being yanked out of their beds by law enforcement? I wouldn't put it past them. There really are no bounds to what they want here, other than to say they want a monoculture of white christofascists.

I see we are at the first "he literally cannot do this" moment of Trump's second term.

I have very strong memories of those moments in his first term being very quickly followed by "what the fuck? How was he able to do that?" moments.

Some people have really swallowed the founding father kool-aid and believe the system is air-tight and self-sustaining. The truth is that the system has largely survived to this point by just enough people demonstrating some fundamental respect for democratic principles and long standing unspoken political convention. Those days are over.

The Weimar Republic had a constitution too…

Yeah brings back memories of "SCOTUS will never grant him immunity because it would give the next dem the same power" Now we've got a president, immune from prosecution, with all 3 branches of government...

I love how not a single one of them could explain why this time would be different, the GOP controlled all three branches including SCOTUS last time. And they're still repeating that "king" horseshit.  

Oh, and mandatory Weimar references that are wrong.

To make things easier on The Bire readers unfamiliar:
1. The Court will only ever hear this to slap down the Fifth Circuit for ignoring the text of the Constitution again like last term and the 1st Amendment.
2. The Court never ruled the President was king or could do illegal things.
3. The Court has ruled against Trump more than for him, most famously they completely ignored all his 2020 election cases. Those came after he had appointed three Justices and he and all of MAGA called them traitors for it.
4. The Court did not rule that was he not ineligible, they ruled he has due process.
5. The Weimar Republic already had the President ruling by decree.

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I can see why they would be so desperate to keep Twitter going in the EU since Twitter can be used as a president-maker. Like with Trump, it could be selectively applied to promote certain candidates in individual countries.

Sounds like the US is about to have their fingers more directly involved in electing leaders of other countries.

[Stonehenge]

Come on B-Cucked perma these bitches already

The trans are the most powerful group on era. When did they leave the site?

[benji]

The trans are the most powerful group on era. When did they leave the site?

Think how many trans members there could be and how safe they could be if B-Dubs and the rest of the staff weren't constantly terrorizing them. But cis don't care.

[Polident]

Oh, and mandatory Weimar references that are wrong.

To be charitable, I don’t think they know anything about Weimar. Because if they did and still idolize it, it’s way worse.

[Chudder Barbarity]

Who lists their grandmother in their phone with a very formal "Grandmother"?

I have mine listed as "octogenarian female" like any normal person would

*Octogenarian uterus haver

[Greatness Gone]

My grandma is listed as “Nana” in my phone 

[Daffy Duck]

Come on B-Cucked perma these bitches already

Old news I know,  it fuck off didn’t trans community leave the site, they fucking run it

[Eric Cartman]

Liberals need everything they do to feel political in absence of them actually thinking or doing anything about their politics. The amount of people I saw gleefully saying they were gonna buy starbucks again because they perceived muslims to have lost Kamala the election was astounding

Revenge politics are not a new thing but the way American liberals haplessly present themselves as both an ally and an enemy at the same time is always interesting. And yes I do think you're correct that liberals retreat into easy political gesturing vs. being able to define themselves against an actual philosophy

Again with the posturing that being reasonable and capable of a change in opinion, and respecting the rights of other people to have a contrary opinion is an absence of having an opinion at all.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - some libtard scratch with a nail fash cunt, probably

[AldusMoneyPenny]

I'm really surprised he got every swing state, I was sure we could at least get a couple.

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I'm only liking this for the mammeries.

The 80's called, they want their fake tits back

[Snoopy]

It's time for the weekly thought police -

My brother in law likes Joe Rogan. I need to correct that. He fucking loved the guy. He and I argue a lot and he always loses because he obviously has viewpoints from Joe Rogan himself.

So what do you say to make him stop it? I've already pointed out how Joe Rogan exists in an echo chamber. How he only appeals to insecure males. How he spreads disinformation. I've basically attacked Joe Rogan listeners to him questioning his manhood, and intelligence. How do you get someone to stop listening?

Someone gives the cop a reality check

You don't. No more than he needs to correct you frequenting a left wing website like ResetEra. What would be healthier is a world where people feel they can discuss conflicting viewpoints without the need to win/lose and completely course correct someone else's belief systems so that they line up perfectly with their own. It's that approach that has led to the situation we're in today where political conversations are so heavily charged and everyone wants to live in their own safe little bubbles and echo chambers. We're usually no different here where that's concerned (just that we typically derive our opinions from science and a position of empathy).

Challenge his views respectfully and with compassion, and if you're lucky he'll start to think about things some more, feel safer discussing them when they don't lead to fireworks, and hopefully broaden his perspective himself over time. But you can't forcefully change him

The cop's having none of it.

So all the Jewish people had to do before World War II is tell the Nazis they were having 'big feelings' and it would have changed the course of history?

See if that's the extreme position you want to take, and the words you want to put in my mouth after reading my comment, then that's exactly what I'm talking about. That will be why conversations you have with your brother lead to shouting matches, and why you won't be convincing him he's wrong.

Why you try to force people's interest or habits. Let people watch whatever who they want you can't force correct someone

It's all over for both them and yourself if that's your response to the poster's comment. You're doomed to live in the forever war.

I'm actually amazed there was some push back this week

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-say-to-a-joe-rogan-listener.1032354/

[Besticus Maximus]

My brother in law likes Joe Rogan. I need to correct that