Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-anyone-else-find-it-a-cognitive-dissonance-that-valve-is-considered-consumer-friendly-but-also-has-the-biggest-real-money-gambling-in-gaming.1068393/page-6#post-133423716

Sorry I got mixed up and thought you were responding to something else. But OK, so you were the one who mentioned "fan culture on steroids", and then your argument for that was... not liking Epic. Yeah, I'm disputing that, because not liking Epic doesn't mean you're a fanboy. Fanboys exist, but not because they don't like Epic or that "all the alternatives", and I gave GOG as a counter-example for why these launcher arguments are misplaced.

Can you just....shut up for once? Like for real. You misinterpreted what multiple said, and are trying to make another argument altogether. Like..shut the fuck up lmao. Merry Christmas

https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-anyone-else-find-it-a-cognitive-dissonance-that-valve-is-considered-consumer-friendly-but-also-has-the-biggest-real-money-gambling-in-gaming.1068393/page-6#post-133424364

User Banned (2 Weeks): Trolling / Hostility, account in junior phase

"Go fuck yourself. Merry Christmas"

What are you doing man?

Telling one of the most annoying posters on here to shut the fuck up. And Merry Christmas ❤️

Joined Nov 12, 2017 and almost has 500 posts.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mike-mcmahan-creator-of-star-trek-lower-decks-shares-that-netflix-told-him-%E2%80%9Ctoo-much-happens-in-each-episode-and-to-consider-background-viewers.1070517/#post-133550268

I don't feel comfortable dunking on people's attention span or media literacy in a thread where OP manages to badly parse very simple facts and half the posters seem to run with it.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-anyone-else-find-it-a-cognitive-dissonance-that-valve-is-considered-consumer-friendly-but-also-has-the-biggest-real-money-gambling-in-gaming.1068393/page-6#post-133423716

Checking out that thread for the best takes:

Also one of the biggest Nazi forums.

Valve loves Nazis. Don't forget about that.

However Valve does creep me out a bit. It's a crazy nice place to work, with the ultimate "perks" for employees and all that.. but it's all paid for by taking an insanely outsized portion of the PC gaming industry, with only a few hundred employees. That's the thing about private companies as they can appear somehow nicer than big corps, but they are actually less likely to invest the money they get back into the industry, or by supporting a large workforce.

But they actively allow Nazis. Popularized loot boxes, battle passes. They take 30% of sales and funnel none of it back into supporting other developers through publishing or development funding. Weakest first party release lineup of any major platform holder.

Been the case since TF2's hats at least. Not to mention forcing you to use an online store in the first place so that they can collect 30% of everyone else's revenue.

The "open" nature of the PC is already being threatened by the increasingly monopolization in the hands of Valve, NVidia and Microsoft.

It's one of the reasons I've started getting back into console/Playstation gaming after several decades.

I've been saying it for years, Valve is low key kinda gross. The steam forums are straight up full of nazis and that's just fine with Gabe, I guess. Add in the wild amounts of gambling and it's a big ole yikes from me.

Sheesh.

Even in a thread discussing how Valve is fucking people up due to their involvement in fostering online gambling some people just can't help but to also promote the virtues of Steam and how great it is and Valve overall for everyone, hahah.

They should do more to moderate the forums and stop the child gambling. Children should not be playing any game that promotes gambling directly or indirectly as it can ruin lives. Unfortunately, even if all of these games were rated Adults Only, parents would no doubt still buy their children the games. ratings have rarely changed how people buy games and It's not like CS2 is rated E for everyone. GTA 6 is about to be the biggest game ever released and I'm sure it will have many children playing it.

not to mention it's also providing the main platform for gamergateV2 campaign, on top of its "forums" being free for all chud/nazi factories.
yeah some real cognitive dissonance going around this shitty company for sure.

ain't no way there isn't money laundering going on there as well.

Yeah. We like to bitch about EA, but Valve caused so much more damage to their customers than any EA monetization ever did.

I totally agree with this.

Steam itself (not even including the acrual games) is probably an actualnaddiction for many people. Everything is made to keep you dedicated, engaged and attached. No less than any other company would like maybe but Valve have been genious in this regard.

I wonder how much more money people spend on steam by "saving" money with all these constant sales for example.

They do get away with murder compared to other gaming companies and/or platform holders. Whenever the nazi problem is brought up it's shrugged away. Gaming discourse is as toxic as it is because Steam allows these cretins to form communities and harass folks. The sweet baby inc nonsense can be tracked back to Steam (and social media of course) for example.

This plus the fact that

* Valve locking releases to Steam = no feels
* Epic locking games that they've funded to EGS = infernal rage & everyone acts like 5yr olds

If you handwaved the Nazism that's rampant on Steam, at worst you just don't care about the repercussions of that ideology, possibly because you aren't affected by it.

That doesn't make it any better, you do realize that?

I was literally thinking about making this thread a couple of days ago. Yeah, they somehow have this amazing good guy reputation but I shudder to think just how many millions (and I do believe it's millions) of underage kids they have introduced to gambling.

When an operation builds (and maintains) the framework for money-laundering, that's no accident.

You must never slander the holy Valve. Yes, they enable Nazis, but Steam sales are much more important.

A bigger problem IMO is, as others here have mentioned, the unhinged Nazi shit that's rotting away the platform. Valve really needs to invest in moderation and define better policies. I think things like a community hub for games is an awesome idea, but it's not hard to find blatant racism, sexism, homophobia, as well as porn and gore in these pages. Which makes sense when you consider the median gamer is, in fact, a racist/sexist/homophobic dude who is obsessed with porn and gore. It gives off a 4chan vibe that somehow won the greater internet culture war thanks to a complete lack of moderation and better policies.

Valve is an evil, misoginystic, monopolistic company.

They relax their 30% tax on developers the more games you sell. Which is actually not at all what it should be. Indie devs suffer.

They bet hard on gambling and basically haven't produced any type of narrative-driven game since Portal 2 because it isn't as profitable as doing gambling games.

Half-Life: Alyx had the goal of being the leader in VR.

They don't make games for art. They rely 100,000% on ROI and Gabe's hobbies of buying crazy expensive cars.

Having Steam as some guardian of gaming in any way is pure dystopian shit. Gabe did it. He got everyone defending his company, while they slowly get more and more money in devious ways.

https://medium.com/@monicah428/the-early-days-of-valve-from-a-woman-inside-bf80c6b47961

It's pretty well known that Valve has issues with the women who work for them.

The number of women who worked there and were fired or left, claiming that Valve is a modern fret house where women have no chance, is quite big. People just throw it under the radar because it's Valve.

So literally everyone who uses Steam is a nazi got it.. ofcourse they are fucking wrong, christ.

They didn't say everyone, they said Steams biggest fans.

Which, again, check the receipts. In this thread alone, we have constant people trying to downplay the fact that reported ACTUAL NAZI ORGANIZATION on the platform is "no big deal" and "can't be helped" because, "what are they expected to do".

Please. It's one thing to like the platform, but it's another to just handwave these extremely well documented and growing issues because Valve makes it easier to buy video games. You are the one being hyperbolic here.

I'm not sure you linked the correct article because it doesn't really support much of that claim

Shit, you right, that's the wrong one. I thought that was the medium post about valve's misconduct about transgender and woman employees from 2016-2020.

I'll find it, but in the meantime, here's the deposition that lead the article.

https://www.californialaborlawattorney.com/blog/2016/may/valve-sued-for-transgender-discrimination/

I'm familiar with the case. Valve won the case with no discrimination found by the jury and the claims were dismissed with prejudice: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.234611/gov.uscourts.wawd.234611.145.0.pdf

That being said, their track record for discrimination and fratboyism is pretty awful, and it appears even awful when put against the backdrop of IT and Gaming industries, which are some of the worst industries for "Boys Club" mentalities, harassment, and discrimination.

Many people are so ready to defend Valve only because of their game libraries. They just don't care about gambling problem and nazi bullshit on community board. Despite how we can feel about it, nothing will ever change.

 I don't care about the "gambling" or the "nazi" shit.

[kaleidoscopium]

Oh cool glad he's throwing us under the fucking bus to prevent "worse" whatever the fuck that is.

Stop defending blatant transphobia people.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-signs-defense-bill-despite-ban-on-transgender-health-care-for-military-kids.1070361/#post-133550724

[benji]

The only reason to ever go on the Steam forums has always been to find whatever weird community patch you need to play some ancient game, what port needs to be forwarded to play multiplayer or to see that 2K has fucked up the servers again and it's everyone's problem.

This talk about "minorities can't even use it" and "LGBT aren't welcome" like wtf are you trying to do in there in the first place? Are you one of those weirdos who post on OFFICIAL forums despite their being almost universally garbage too? Had these dudes never seen like, EA's forums, and how they were both worthless for information and purely posted on by insane and/or illiterate people? 

[Nintex]

Sounds like this could have been avoided had we done the smart thing last month.

[Daffy Duck]

She must be stopped

[benji]

[Besticus Maximus]

So many of their social problems boil down to 'people don't read my mind and do what I want every time'

[Venice]

ERA never misses. 

Fantastic Toma responds!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/better-not-click-if-youre-enjoying-a-happy-christmas-did-you-ever-find-out-your-parents-no-longer-love-you-and-how-did-you-react-cope-with-it.1069110/page-2#post-133537251

dire financial situation but still willing to spend 200 bucks on a gaming device? dont you think thats silly?

No? I have saved money for certain stuff, but I can only use it now and in the next couple months or it's probably game over. I'm not gonna tell the details in public, though. Feel free to attack me if you must.

For some reason, this guy both leaps to the defence of FantasticToma, and also leaps through logic, just to defend the purchasing of a $200 gaming device for that useless bum:

dire financial situation but still willing to spend 200 bucks on a gaming device? dont you think thats silly?

Why spend money on any food that isn't flour since it has the lowest cost per calorie? Everyone should understand that on a fundamental level the bare necessities for the human body to survive are not the same as what a human mind needs. If that gaming device improves their quality of life, it can be a good purchase, especially if it is one of the the few things standing between them and giving up. We shouldn't begrudge anyone for taking what little they have to make their lives better, especially the people who have the least

For fuck's sake, idiot, did you even read the OP??

FantasticToma is a 40 year old retard loser who had a meltdown in his bedroom on Christmas Day, wanting to kill himself, because his MUM BOUGHT HIM A KITCHEN MIXER!

A $200 Retroid Pocket 5 isn't going to make FantasticToma's life better in any single way whatsoever.

Instead, it's going to give FantasticToma even more reason to waste his life because all he'll be doing is sitting on his ass all day, playing videogames.

It's because of morons like jdmc13, who mollycoddle and kiss the asses of people like FantasticToma, Melody Shreds, EchoesOfCyborg, etc... that ResetEra is filled with an army of middle-aged man-children that will never, ever grow up, and will instead spend the rest of their lives leeching of the same parents they continuously blame for their own disastrous failures.

[Potato]

The constant discourse around how characters LOOK is insane to me.

I don't even.. want to start that. I feel like I skipped several universes and came to some other one where somehow that became a problem.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fail-of-the-year-2024.1070232/post-133535559

I like the revisionism here. Like sorry, but no matter where you fall on that debate but it can be pretty clearly be traced back to Sarkeesian and places like Resetera complaining about female characters. You made this a main topic for games.

People obsessed with identity politics and who have a slut shaming thread dedicated to female video game characters are confused why image and looks are constantly in the gaming discourse...

[Propagandhim]

So many of their social problems boil down to 'people don't read my mind and do what I want every time'

or I'm an adult and I still want to be pampered and behave like a child.  The idea of writing up a Christmas list as a 25 year old and being sad that you didn't get stuff on your santa list...what in the fuck?

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-signs-defense-bill-despite-ban-on-transgender-health-care-for-military-kids.1070361/

Wait? It was trans kids shit? 

It effectively bans nearly all forms of gender-affirming care through TRICARE, health care that is supported by every major medical association as safe, studied, and lifesaving (statements here)

What annoys me how unspecific "gender affirming care" is. Like what exactly does it mean? Puberty blockers, mastectomies, hormones, tips on how to breastbind? Some of those are more questionable than others

Also "medical association" here means trade associations, not like scientific organizations or anything like that. These are votes of the relevant membership, not even specialists. With "every", "major", "safe", "studied" and "lifesaving" also doing some heavy lifting. 

edit: Like, you can't at all say it's "safe" or "lifesaving" because it's not been "studied" for either, there's not even any studies that show what it's supposed to do and that it does it.

I'll say it again. This trans shit is going to blow up like other scandals in the past and be shown that drug companies have been pushing this shit with bad science for profit.

[Polident]

The amount of people self diagnosing themselves as autistic to cover their own sociopathic narcissism is really weird. 

There are people actually struggling with whatever condition and these people pretend because it’s somehow fashionable 

[Jonsey]

The amount of people self diagnosing themselves as autistic to cover their own sociopathic narcissism is really weird. 

There are people actually struggling with whatever condition and these people pretend because it’s somehow fashionable 

I’m autistic and I did what normal people do and just bought myself a gift

[jonataosardinha]

Fantastic Toma is also asking about $500 TVs :S

[Daffy Duck]

The amount of people self diagnosing themselves as autistic to cover their own sociopathic narcissism is really weird. 

There are people actually struggling with whatever condition and these people pretend because it’s somehow fashionable 

Because it is

[Potato]

Fantastic Toma is also asking about $500 TVs :S

Link to the post

[nachobro]

you dorks out here falling for trolls while mocking resettis for being dumb  

[Cheststrongwell]

The Valve forums are a retarded hellscape filled with "Is it WOKE?!" threads and anime/furry weirdos yammering about their pedo games. I just want to know how to get this game I purchased to go full screen without shitting itself.

[Boredfrom]

It's hilarious that when Nintendo finally goes out their comfort zone and gives us a game starring Zelda and peach with new gameplay for each of these series it's considered too safe.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-bosmans-top-5-harsh-realizations-of-2024.1070148/page-7#post-133553664

I’m playing Echos of Wisdom, and while I’m really enjoying it… is a bitch ass normie Zelda game, just one that mostly forces you to fight enemies indirectly. Is safe as hell, if just evolving the gameplay from Link Between Worlds and Breath of the Wild in 2D.

[Polident]

you dorks out here falling for trolls while mocking resettis for being dumb  

Everything you said is wrong. This is a reasonable list if you’re middle class, actually.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/maga-is-turning-against-elon-musk-after-he-voiced-support-for-removing-h-1b-visa-country-caps-and-backed-sririram-krishnan’s-skilled-immigration-push.1069374/

Is funny to see Elon Musk getting hated by the base he cultivated but the thread is in the point of “why immigrants don’t vote as I say   ”.

I feel for the people that genuinely want to work to have a better life because I think everyone in politics are clueless about it. Is either outright racism or let anyone enter and not even bother them to assimilate.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fail-of-the-year-2024.1070232/page-4#post-133530249

Resetera is like, the only safe place I've found where the threads aren't flooded with bile. Yet, here we are; about to spit one last time on the victim's grave, while the perpetrator stands behind us and laughs. I know that sounds dramatic but I don't give a fuck anymore. The worst is yet to come.

What is about Concord that drives people absolutely insane? It's as if the game fails all their ideals about videogame representation are suddenly fraud, so they can't accept that it failed because it looked fucking dumb.

[Eric Cartman]

The Valve forums are a retarded hellscape filled with "Is it WOKE?!" threads and anime/furry weirdos yammering about their pedo games. I just want to know how to get this game I purchased to go full screen without shitting itself.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Home

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fail-of-the-year-2024.1070232/post-133530381

Concord is too easy.

Dragon Age: The Veilguard is my pick. Dragon Age 4 finally releases after being stuck in dev hell for nearly a decade and it ends up being a complete turd.

[benji]

you dorks out here falling for trolls while mocking resettis for being dumb  

Everything you said is wrong. This is a reasonable list if you’re middle class, actually.

Thank you, this guy is calling basic working class necessities for a dignified life a "troll" when these things could be one of the the few things standing between them and giving up. We shouldn't begrudge anyone for taking what little they have to make their lives better, especially the people who have the least.

nachobro has been banned for dismissing concerns and weird ass behavior.

[benji]

Nintex and ResetERA.com staff do it for free. Meanwhile:

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fail-of-the-year-2024.1070232/page-4#post-133530249

Resetera is like, the only safe place I've found where the threads aren't flooded with bile. Yet, here we are; about to spit one last time on the victim's grave, while the perpetrator stands behind us and laughs. I know that sounds dramatic but I don't give a fuck anymore. The worst is yet to come.

What is about Concord that drives people absolutely insane? It's as if the game fails all their ideals about videogame representation are suddenly fraud, so they can't accept that it failed because it looked fucking dumb.

Many of these guys tie their limited self worth to products and companies. More than that, Concord is their The Homer, down to being a Sony published game. They made the rejection personal.

And it’s not just that it was rejected, it’s one of the biggest failures in multimedia ever. We’re approaching 30 years of Waterworld as shorthand for a mega flop. Concord’s failure is way beyond that. Literally heard Ishtar brought up recently. Concord wishes it were as successful as Ishtar.

[Uncle]

The Valve forums are a retarded hellscape filled with "Is it WOKE?!" threads and anime/furry weirdos yammering about their pedo games. I just want to know how to get this game I purchased to go full screen without shitting itself.

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