Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)
Prax. It's called your partner is a cuck if they do that.  Rolleyes
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(01-14-2025, 04:11 AM)Gameboy Nostalgia wrote: They ban HarryHengst for speaking the truth.
The thread's general reaction to his original point could be use as an instructional exhibit in "missing the point". For context:

HarryHengst wrote:
David Incorporated Esq. wrote:What's the alternative?
Whatever it was before 2012 or so. People managed in the sixties, so people now can too.

Cue a million people being like "WELL THE SIXTIES SUCKED"

Quote:Oh that's right, everything was good and fine in the sixties. I forgot.
Quote:Ah yes. Gay, minority and trans people - not to mention women - had such a famously wonderful time in the 60s.
Quote:Yea no tell me more about how great of a time it was for people in the 60s bro.

They clearly don't understand their own posts. Highlighting that things were worse for these groups in the 60s supports HarryHengst's whole argument lol. People were advocating for their own betterment under more difficult conditions without the aid of...*checks notes*...a viral dancing app. What's your excuse?

I think even more incriminating is that no one touches the more important date--2012--with a 100ft pole. "Check out HarryHengst here, he thinks we can build social justice movements on a iPhone 4 lol lol lol "
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(01-14-2025, 03:38 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/china-discusses-selling-tiktok-to-elon-musk-among-others.1081446/page-4#post-134253177

JigglesBunny wrote:I know how stupid it is to say this in this thread of all places, but man, my suicidal thoughts are just getting louder and louder every fucking time this prick's name appears somewhere.

We really let Nazis back in power. Everything is so hopeless, and there's nowhere we can go to escape them or their influence. I can't fucking take this shit.
Elon

Go to China. Tiktok and Twitter are already banned there.

Edit: If Musk does buy Tiktok, does that mean the retards will want to ban it now?
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what do they expect musk to do to it? or they're just enraged to think that using it would earn him even more money?

he didn't really do much to twitter other than stopping all the cloak and dagger banning and de-prioritizing based on politics
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(01-14-2025, 05:37 AM)Uncle wrote: what do they expect musk to do to it? or they're just enraged to think that using it would earn him even more money?

he didn't really do much to twitter other than stopping all the cloak and dagger banning and de-prioritizing based on politics
That's the comedy of it. What did they do when Musk bought twitter? 

Hemmed and hawed, and roshambo'd their way into an official position of "well, we can't stop using it. In fact, it's crucial that we continue to use it every day. In fact, anyone criticizing others for using the Elon Musk X Social Media Platform should be banned!"

Now they'll have to use the same rationalization for two platforms. If that's not genocide, I don't know what is.
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If you looked at purely the material capabilities available, you'd say that all civil rights and anti-fascists movements before the internet achieved infinitely more than any after the invent of TikTok.

Of course, I'm not saying we should go back to the 1960's as that's not far enough back to undo all of capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy while ensuring it will never happen again. That's what Year Zero is for.
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(01-14-2025, 04:05 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-sentenced-by-judge-to-%E2%80%98unconditional-discharge%E2%80%99-penalty-in-hush-money-case.1079496/#post-134117904

Quote: Cop User Banned (Permanent): Homophobic joke with prior severe infraction for similar behavior. We do not allow "pause" or "no homo" on Era.
Lulu wrote:pause
Didn’t they just literally let someone say FAG and only gave them a month???  Rofl Rofl Rofl
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Revolutionaries that overthrew capitalism before TikTok:
-Lenin
-Mao
-Kim Il Sung
-Tito
-Hoxha
-Castro
-Ho Chi Minh

Revolutionaries after TikTok:
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(01-14-2025, 03:48 AM)benji wrote:
Donating to this guy after he took etika from us  Dayum
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I've never played any Sonic games, my awareness of the IP pretty much just comes from memes.

So naturally, I don't have a high opinion of Sonic. Undecided

(01-14-2025, 12:04 AM)HaughtyFrank wrote: From what I gather the movie is about a brutal cartel boss who transitions and is then basically absolved of all the crimes she committed.

That actually makes it sound like it's parodying transgenderism.

- Big Balls McGillicuddy
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(01-13-2025, 06:46 PM)MMaRsu wrote: The only good Sonic game past the Megadrive games is Sonic Mania

And anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong

Like that game is legit amazing.


My man! I hold that same opinion too.
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(01-14-2025, 06:38 AM)HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth wrote: I've never played any Sonic games
Not surprising that cis don't care. Social Justice Warrior 2
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(01-14-2025, 03:53 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(01-14-2025, 03:48 AM)benji wrote:

I genuinely think he deserves less than Melds.

Remember this?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/etika-nintendo-gamer-youtuber-just-made-an-apology-video-that-seems-to-be-very-suicidal.124467/#post-22054925
Quote:User banned (1 month): Making light of mental health and threats of suicide.
[Image: giphy.gif]
Quote:EDIT: I want to apologize for the insensitive gif I posted here.

At the time I was convinced it was another hoax, but I should have understood that mental health should never be taken lightly or joked about under any circumstances. I fucked up. I understand why people are mad at me. I can tell you that the rest of the staff is upset about what I posted, and I apologize to them as well.

I really do hope that Etika is alright, and I'm sorry for the hurt and offense that I caused.
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(01-14-2025, 04:05 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-sentenced-by-judge-to-%E2%80%98unconditional-discharge%E2%80%99-penalty-in-hush-money-case.1079496/#post-134117904

Quote: Cop User Banned (Permanent): Homophobic joke with prior severe infraction for similar behavior. We do not allow "pause" or "no homo" on Era.
Lulu wrote:pause

I think this is the second time Lulu got permanently banned.
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(01-14-2025, 03:24 AM)books wrote: Dr Eggman. A symbol of self hatred. Obviously queer, afraid to come out. Willing to destroy the world to hide his truth.

It’s actually a trans allegory, you see Sonic spends the entire game trying to “crack the egg”…Sonic is actually trans and completing the game is him coming out as a she.
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(01-14-2025, 03:53 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(01-14-2025, 03:48 AM)benji wrote:

I genuinely think he deserves less than Melds.

I'm not familiar with Beef lore, but this cracked me up.

I thought "looks like he just wants help before he starts his new job" so he probably would be using that money for groceries, and then along you come with "Fuck this guy in particular". lol
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(01-14-2025, 06:15 AM)benji wrote: Revolutionaries that overthrew capitalism before TikTok:
-Lenin
-Mao
-Kim Il Sung
-Tito
-Hoxha
-Castro
-Ho Chi Minh

Revolutionaries after TikTok:

Now do a tier list of them all.  Hmph
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(01-14-2025, 07:01 AM)Taco Bell Tower wrote:
(01-14-2025, 04:05 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-sentenced-by-judge-to-%E2%80%98unconditional-discharge%E2%80%99-penalty-in-hush-money-case.1079496/#post-134117904

Quote: Cop User Banned (Permanent): Homophobic joke with prior severe infraction for similar behavior. We do not allow "pause" or "no homo" on Era.
Lulu wrote:pause

I think this is the second time Lulu got permanently banned.

But Nep can call others a house n-word.
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https://twitter.com/wokeandwoofing/status/1878581743734985007?s=46
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Jesus, get some chill Mr. Pub Landlord
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(01-14-2025, 07:00 AM)Taco Bell Tower wrote: Remember this?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/etika-nintendo-gamer-youtuber-just-made-an-apology-video-that-seems-to-be-very-suicidal.124467/#post-22054925
Quote:User banned (1 month): Making light of mental health and threats of suicide.
[Image: giphy.gif]
Quote:EDIT: I want to apologize for the insensitive gif I posted here.

At the time I was convinced it was another hoax, but I should have understood that mental health should never be taken lightly or joked about under any circumstances. I fucked up. I understand why people are mad at me. I can tell you that the rest of the staff is upset about what I posted, and I apologize to them as well.

I really do hope that Etika is alright, and I'm sorry for the hurt and offense that I caused.
Thanks, I searched for it and there's like fifteen Etika threads and I didn't know which it was and didn't bother to look. lol
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(01-14-2025, 03:38 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/china-discusses-selling-tiktok-to-elon-musk-among-others.1081446/page-4#post-134253177

JigglesBunny wrote:I know how stupid it is to say this in this thread of all places, but man, my suicidal thoughts are just getting louder and louder every fucking time this prick's name appears somewhere.

We really let Nazis back in power. Everything is so hopeless, and there's nowhere we can go to escape them or their influence. I can't fucking take this shit.
(01-14-2025, 04:09 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cbs-tiktok-says-it-plans-to-shut-down-site-in-the-us-unless-supreme-court-strikes-down-law-forcing-it-to-sell.1078593/page-15#post-134140590

Quote: Cop User Banned (3 Weeks): Dismissive and hostile commentary over a series of posts
HarryHengst wrote:
Crossing Eden wrote:This is one of the most out of touch and dumbest things i've ever read on this website if not the dumbest. Jesus christ.

Yea no tell me more about how great of a time it was for people in the 60s bro.
Ah yes sorry I totally forgot people didn't organise in the past all. Only thanks to TikTok has that been possible.

Stop being so fucking helpless and stop pretending like you can't do shit without social media. Labour movements, suffrage movements, civil rights, independence movements, they all mysteriously managed without TikTok. Yes it was way more work but the past showed it can be done.
Hesright
(01-14-2025, 05:29 AM)DavidCroquet wrote: The thread's general reaction to his original point could be use as an instructional exhibit in "missing the point". For context:

HarryHengst wrote:
David Incorporated Esq. wrote:What's the alternative?
Whatever it was before 2012 or so. People managed in the sixties, so people now can too.

Cue a million people being like "WELL THE SIXTIES SUCKED"

Quote:Oh that's right, everything was good and fine in the sixties. I forgot.
Quote:Ah yes. Gay, minority and trans people - not to mention women - had such a famously wonderful time in the 60s.
Quote:Yea no tell me more about how great of a time it was for people in the 60s bro.
I wonder how "we let" the Nazis get back in power. hmm
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This guy teaches children:
Crossing Eden wrote:
HarryHengst wrote:Whatever it was before 2012 or so. People managed in the sixties, so people now can too.
This is one of the most out of touch and dumbest things i've ever read on this website if not the dumbest. Jesus christ.

Yea no tell me more about how great of a time it was for people in the 60s bro.
Crossing Eden wrote:
HarryHengst wrote:Ah yes sorry I totally forgot people didn't organise in the past all. Only thanks to TikTok has that been possible.

Stop being so fucking helpless and stop pretending like you can't do shit without social media. Labour movements, suffrage movements, civil rights, independence movements, they all mysteriously managed without TikTok. Yes it was way more work but the past showed it can be done.
Yes leftists should just drop the use of all modern tools to organize and try the tactics used in the 60s when such tools didn't exist. Meanwhile, let's go back to heating water via a fire under a tub and bath outside instead of using a boiler and use outhouses instead of toilets. Let's go ALL the way back.

Speaking of, why're you treating this like a mutually exclusive thing wherein people can't simultaneously organize in person AND use the tools that exist in the present instead of *checks notes* 60 years ago?
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Not only have I never played a sonic game I have never had sex while wearing or with someone wearing a furry suit.

For more information please see my three hour long video posted as 180 seperate 1 minute clips on xiaohongshu.

Donations accepted via WeChat.
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Tiktok helped trump get back into office. The left never had a chance with it.  omg
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(01-14-2025, 06:15 AM)benji wrote: Revolutionaries that overthrew capitalism before TikTok:
-Lenin
-Mao
-Kim Il Sung
-Tito
-Hoxha
-Castro
-Ho Chi Minh

Revolutionaries after TikTok:
Nepenthe Divest from capitalism, colonialism, and white supremacy!
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Imagine what Mo Gadaffi could have done if he had tik tok  Juche Sad
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Checking out this thread:
firehawk12 wrote:I hope the UK just bans X as a national security risk at this point.
B-Dubs wrote:
Quote:Can we shut down X as well please
We should be so lucky. I struggle to understand how Musk controlling that platform and having a position in the upcoming administration isn't a conflict of interest of some kind.
Wallace wrote:Shut down all social media. K thanks
Palette Swap wrote:Good.

Let's normalize countries banning social networks honestly. I could give two shits that foreign influence machines like TikTok, X or Facebook/Insta/Threads get banned here. Good fucking riddance.
Quote:Social media has been a failed experiment and needs to be shut down
Quote:Shut down ALL of these social media platforms. They are a tool for authoritarians around the globe to use information warfare to suppress factual information and dissent. They are the new age opiate of the masses that now synergistically amplifies the old age opiate of the masses: religion.

We are living in a nightmare mostly due their pervasiveness in culture.
Quote:Absolutely the best social media platform (outside of Reddit I guess) for young Americans to learn about the world, get educated, see other cultures, learn about important policy and get educated by peers.

It's not all just dance memes and thirst traps. An incredible loss for young people.
Ripcord wrote:
Quote:But hey social media bad so fuck em amirite?
Yeah, pretty much. I've had three family members commit suicide because of the impacts of social media (their words) over the last 15, lost a ton of friends and family to the propaganda/brain rot, and witness every day the social drift caused by people who can't look up from their phones. Not only do I think, fuck em, but I'd personally burn down their small businesses to get one of my nieces/nephews back. Without hesitation. Over and over again.

Quote:"This is good, cause I want to see this for all social media platforms"

THAT IS A WHOLE NEW SENTENCE. this is about one platform specifically. Not Meta, not X, just TikTok
Yep, that's true, but the way I see it, I'll take any win where I can get it at this point. I'm desperate and terrified of what the future will be like with continued, unchecked/unregulated social media. Hell, I'm far enough in that I would celebrate if somehow the entire internet was destroyed and I love the internet. I just don't think humans can handle this shit.
Royalan wrote:
Quote:Any other groups you are okay with taking rights away from? Is there a size limit that once a group gets large enough, their rights suddenly matter? I'm not following your logic here. Explain it to me like I'm 2.
What right is being taken away here?
Royalan wrote:
Quote:Banning Twitter would also be good. Next.
For real. Like, this is not a gotcha.

Enough with the binary thinking. Walk and chew gum at the same time. Yes, the motivations behind this ban are transparent as fuck. But also...I ain't crying a single fucking tear for no fucking TikTok. The FUCK!?

That place is an alpha male/trad wife shithole. And even if that particular stench of shit makes you feel comfortable...shit is still shit.

Tootles!!

Let's get em all but if we only get one I ain't sorry about it.
Royalan wrote:
Quote:The fascists just got elected into government in the US, and you propose to give the US more control of the social media landscape.
Do you think TikTok was going to stand in opposition to this?

For heavens sake, TikTok sent its CEO to Mar-a-Lago to kiss Trump's unwashed ass right before he announced his support for repealing the ban!

That happened!

Or did we just conveniently forget it?

They have signaled that they are going to fold like everyone else! But I'm supposed to be sympathetic?
Quote:
Quote:"But the algorithm isn't feeding ME right-wing propaganda" is just "works on my machine" rhetoric applied to the problem of our societal decay.
Its not being banned because of societal decay and that it doesnt feed me right wing propaganda does indeed make it a better platform than most, especially the neo nazi hell that is youtube
Booshka wrote:I'm not worried about China when they can just sit back and watch the American government erode its own citizens rights, promote hate, vote to sanction the ICC and fall apart to climate change all while rentier capitalism is further entrenched by billionaires.
Quote:I'd be fine with banning all of social media tbh. TikTok is just the latest BS. It's fucking stupid. I think younger people will do better without it. Kids want to be influencers instead of actually contributing to society. These influencers are just a bane on society imo.

Plus I want young people to hate these deplorably conservative SCOTUS. The more they know how it will effect them, the more they will actual pay attention to how government effects them.
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Quote:The "ban all social media" comments in this thread are completely unserious. Do you expect 2 billion people to start using Resetera?
No. You don't need to use either.

But second, ban all current forms of social media. Well, all current major ones anyway. The idea of having internet platforms where people on a large scale can discuss things or interact, maybe even watch cat videos, is fine. Current iteration is not.

I dont have any idea how to make a functional and healthy social media platform. But I also dont think we can let the current problems fester until we figure it out.
Kinsei wrote:
Quote:You're not putting a genie back in a bottle when platforms have billions of users. Trolls will exist on any platform, it's on governments to incentivize investments in moderation or penalize companies who fail to protect their users.
You absolutely can. Though the issue starts with smart devices. Go back to the only internet capable devices being dedicated PCs and gaming consoles and the issues of social media become so small that it doesn't matter.

The smartphone is the single worst invention since the atomic bomb.
Kinsei wrote:
Quote:There is not a single solitary chance we will ever go back to non-internet capable personal devices.


Literally zero chance. Not only would tech companies never do it, but the masses would be in the streets before they allowed it.
That it will never happen doesn't mean that it shouldn't. Obviously people are too addicted and politicians care more for their pocket books than the well beings of their countries to actually do something radical.
Scuffed wrote:With Meta now being a hardline voice of the right like X there is no incentive for a right wing supreme court to not ban tiktok. YouTube algorithm also prioritizes right wing ragebait. So ya social media in the U.S. just got so much worse. Tiktok at least had a robust amount of both sides. Now y'all will just going to get one. Bluesky is pretty much all there is now and that is sad as fuck. Big W for Israel.
Quote:This is just the start. They're going to remove anything they don't have direct control over, and they'll further push the things they have control over to indoctrinate US citizens. Everything they made you fear about China, they're the ones actually doing. It's wild stuff.
Ripcord wrote:Y'all in here talking about "this is only the beginning" makes me feel bitter about getting tazed, gassed, jailed, and fucking shot with rubber bullets over the past 30 years while protesting the erosion of our liberties. I didn't realize that none of that shit counted because the real shit is only just beginning.
Nepenthe wrote:People saying to shut down all social media because they are tools that authoritarians use are putting the cart before the horse. Social media is not the root issue for the rise in fascism. It's neoliberal capitalism.

You have a bunch of wealthy people who are personally invested in remaining wealthy. Their wealth inherently comes at the cost of the livelihood of everyone who is not wealthy.

So they convince you that your conditions are the result of immigrants, or crime, or golly gee gosh the long arc of progress, and not the fact that they have deliberately rigged systems to absolutely fuck you over, and that there are more immediate ways to fight them (indeed, they've convinced you that those immediate ways are immoral and/or useless.)

And they convince you through media channels. You shut down social media, they still have control of the televisions, the newspapers, the radio, and the ear of the politicians. Hell, some of them are in our government right now.

Killing the Internet is not going to stop fascism. You stop fascism by directly addressing the conditions that cause it, which is the rot of neoliberal capitalism. If you're not addressing that, you aren't serious about stopping fascism and need to stop pretending. Economics determines the culture, not the other way around.
Quote:Social media (the TikTok variety) is processed by your brain differently and the companies have designed their systems to exploit this biological vulnerability; particularly in children. Are newspapers, radio, and tv just as susceptible to corruption and exploitation? Absolutely, and that's something we've been aware of and complained about for a hundred years, but there are sociological limits to their influence. Social media is simply ingested by us on a fundamentally different level, it was akin to the introduction of automatic weapons prior to WWI. Warfare as a systemic and institutional horror still comes from the same place and removing guns doesn't stop warfare from existing. But we're deluding ourselves if we think the difference in weaponry doesn't impact the magnitude of violence and casualties inflicted, so to speak.
Quote:The media environment sure is looking swell. Twitter is openly fascist, Facebook/Instagram just bent the knee to the fascist agenda, Bezos-owned media has already announced it's working on right wing propaganda, and all of those forces successfully lobbied the government into banning the one popular platform that didn't force feed right-wing talking points to every user.
Quote:TikTok is the only social media platform that isn't completely dominated by fascism.

Quote:
Quote:Instagram is fascist?
Yeah Meta has basically gotten rid of any sort of content moderation on their platforms. There is a thread here about all the ghoulish things you can now say about immigrants and LGBTQ+ people
Crossing Eden wrote:
Quote:Instagram is fascist?
Literally yes.
Quote:
Quote:Instagram is fascist?
When people want to be bigoted shitheads to someone on TikTok, they'll comment "post this on Reels", to put it in perspective.
ClickyCal wrote:
Quote:Instagram is fascist?
Yes.
Nepenthe wrote:
Quote:I feel bad for the individuals but this is very much a "think of the mom and pop fossil fuel companies" kind of thinking
Operating a shop on the Internet is not all that comparable to mining for fossil fuels in terms of damage done, even if the shop is on TikTok.

But that's to say nothing of the fact that underlying point people miss with fossil fuel workers (not company owners) is that you need systemic or grassroots stopgaps for people affected by the elimination of jobs on the basis of public policy and human welfare, but liberals regularly fail to provide those solutions. People can't just not work in the current society we have. Furthermore, most jobs are the result of systemic capitalistic forces beyond the control of any individual worker; most people simply do the work that is available to them to survive. Ergo, telling a coal miner to quit without offering a serious alternative because you have failed to replace the coal mining job with new work or some other form of material support is a no-go. He's going to double down, even while knowing that his job is harmful for the entire planet.

This flippancy about the precarity of labor is not only cruel, but it engenders resentment and distrust from people who should ideally be on your side. Workers should not bear the brunt of the fallout from the dealings and swindling of capitalists. If you are going to eliminate the coal mining job, you need to figure out a solution to keep the coal miner from starving, since ultimately he is not responsible for that job's existence or its elimination. Same with the folks whose livelihood depends on Internet infrastructure of some sort.
Princess Bubblegum wrote:We lost Twitter and now we lose TikTok. Marginalized folks can't catch a break when it comes to social media.
Quote:
Quote:Except, you know, one of the only safe spaces for a lot of marginalized people, and one of the only things bringing attention to a genocide and the people being affected by it

but everyone's allowed to value different things
Get real. Safe spaces aren't owned by corporations. It's only a place for marginalized people and bringing attention to genocide as long as it's profitable and in the interest of the company that owns it. The second a board meeting decides otherwise, it's over. All social media has done is handing control over these kinds of places, and general societal necessities like societal discourse and cohesion in full control of for-profit organisations. If you value those things, you put them as far away as possible from the likes of ByteDance, Meta, X, and yes even Bluesky.
plagiarize wrote:We also shouldn't fault people for making the best choice for their own mental health first and foremost before worrying about if that does or doesn't help the wrong people make more money.

I would strongly urge people to form other communities regardless because I don't trust that Facebook won't close down queer groups at some point... but in the here and now in the dark of winter with one state up in flames and barely a week away from a felon taking his seat in the Whitehouse and signing the first batch of anti immigrant and anti queer executive orders there's more important shit than whether or not using TikTok is the moral thing to do right now.
Nepenthe wrote:
Quote:What's the alternative? I don't know, that's not my job, I'm not involved
Talking about things with which you have no involvement with, no personal stake in, no knowledge of, and no ideas about.

Organizers from the 60s would've dragged you in the street for thinking you had a right to speak about the issue.
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Crossing Eden wrote:Answer my question first and i'll give you an explanation as to why your question is shortsighted and out of touch. 😄
Dude, a moment ago you thought "algospeak" means Skbidi toilet, I don't need this pathetic condescension from someone who learned about this topic a minute and a google search ago
Bengraven wrote:Of course, not.

I'm sure they don't care about the fact that my queer kid was able to use TikTok to make him realize who he was instead of the toxic rural white people telling them that they were a fag and to be ashamed of acting feminine.

Yeah, awesome, let's just get rid of TikTok and let the state of Florida help my kid get some understanding of who they are.
Bengraven wrote:And the worst part is that no matter how many times we bring this up every single page and in the previous topics, you still have people cheerleading this fucking fascism.

I fucking promise you that every single person who's saying that this is a good thing probably still has a profile on Twitter or instagram and feel safer with Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. And that is still telling.

The leopards hiding in the forum are definitely showing their spots.
Bengraven wrote:
Quote:So very true at times almost feels like it would be better for one's own blood pressure to just start ignoring the majority of what these people are saying. Only thing it does is showing that they are missing the forest for the damn trees. And they don't even care when people try to point things out to them.
This is true, too. Honestly, I just need to start using my ignore list again.

I would have been heated already if it wasn't for TikTok being helpful for my family.

Makes this place not feel safe anymore.
deimosmasuqe wrote:
Quote:Boy I sure love coming on Era and reading how us people of gender just gotta go back to the 60s.
It's always funny (not really) then when this stuff happens it's always "Well it doesn't effect me so whatever."

I honestly think that Martin Niemöller's poem should be required reading for every human being on this planet.

They come for you eventually. And no one will speak for you, because the people who would speak for are long gone.


Hell to just make it from a video game perspective... They tried to end them, tried to say they were murder machines training kids to be killers.
Quote:Meta & X already diminished the US through rampant misinformation and their algorithms that try to push people more and more right under the guise of engagement.
Nepenthe wrote:
DigitalOp wrote:Today I learned China eradicated an entire race of humans, enslaved a whole other entire race and popped the only 2 Atomic bombs the world has ever seen live on innocent civilians.
(Indigenous folks are still here and many are still resisting. But the fact that people think they're gone is the point.)

Also the atomic bomb thing alone should seal the deal on just how utterly dangerous and unhinged America is and has the potential to be.

Like, they did it twice.
Crossing Eden wrote:
Quote:China's human rights record within recent history includes things like this:
As opposed to what the US has done to immigrants within the last decade.
RastaMentality wrote: User threadbanned: Hostility
SilentPanda wrote:Becuase it odesn't matter, and why are you only interested in $$$
Instead of the marginilized group and middle america that are going to lose money

Nor the fact that the interested buyer in the US is Trump aligned group called Project Liberty that want to push their own white racisst belief, but it doesn't matter, because they won't sell what make them $$$ because china bad or they have something to hide, but it's to the US it must be good.

And the reason is simple, they don't want to sell their algothrithm that is what Meta and twitter have stated what they want, and what the general population want.
I'm completely unconvinced by the marginalized groups!!! argument when Trump-centered accounts have been outranking left leaning accounts for months now. Tiktok has a lot of wildly successful conservative accounts.
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Quote:rather than going overseas and aiding another country whose government and human rights record is far worse than ours.
Is this what happens when they don't teach history in the US? Imagine thinking for a second what China is doing/did is far worse than the last 70 years of US imperialism.
Fiction wrote:Yall know the CEO of TikTok isn't even Chinese right? And it's not majority owned by China? And that TikTok and every social media has regional specific policies?

American TikTok policies have nothing to do with China.
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Quote:I'm about to fucking lose it with these transparent, sinophobic morons. Facebook and Twitter are way bigger national security threats, but of course congress doesn't care because those apps are 'American'.

At least PRETEND y'all aren't obviously bought and paid for by American tech parasites.
Quote:social media is social control
at least thats zuck musk intent
so all their algorithms are there to shape and guide you
tiktok is just showing you what the real world is like
they don't need to sow dissent
just illuminate the world and let you perceive it as it really is
which scares the shit out of those with a desire to bend reality to their own insanity
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AliceAmber wrote:For any of those who are taking this opportunity to quit Tiktok, best of luck. I did it a few weeks ago in anticipation. It's hard, when you have a few minutes where you're bored but you can get through it.
Yeah I find myself jumping to other non Zusk social medias and it's been fine. Discord has been great.


More worried about my ADHD kid who's gonna lose a lot of LGTBQ influencers. I know they're not a fan of insta but I already see them using Insta and Twitter more in the future unless we can get an alternative.
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Crossing Eden wrote:Youtube will literally assume you're a chud and bombard you with alt right content if you enjoy video games and frequently boots people like Asmongold and other right wing grifters.
Hell I have to be careful about what Power Rangers content I watch!
Quote:Youtube has the worst algorithm I find, every couple of weeks it will recommend me some awful alt right nonsense that clogs up my feeds for weeks, like you say you don't follow political stuff, well I'm a fan of Doctor Who and due to hiring women and black people to play the Doctor the show became a battleground in the culture war for chuds. The show had a Christmas special and since then I've gotten so much racist and vile stuff pop up as a response, even one video of someone saying the actor needs to go back in time and pick cotton for his 'crimes' against the fanbase, like wtf?

It does matter how many times I tell youtube that I'm not interested or don't recommend channel they still appear. Even with fighting games I get chuds recommended, I got a dumb "how to save Mortal Kombat 1" video recommended within the first 2 minutes the guy is like fire all dei, if you were hired for political reasons then your out (and then even called out at least one employee), then they spent the rest of the video complaining about the women not being sexy and how "the message" is why MK1 failed.

You can spend years curating your youtube feed and it will STILL show you shit.
Quote:I can go on shorts right now and within 25 shorts YouTube brings me from kpop edits and indian food videos to asmongold and fox news.
Quote:I have been on YouTube for years at this point. I only seek out left leaning things and video game stuff and make it a point to not watch any people i don't agree with politically. They STILL try to push right wing garbage on me. I've literally been looking at the same things for over ten years and despite how many times i say not interested when they feed me right wing garbage they still do.

Facebook when i was on it? Same thing.

TikTok is literally the only social media algorithm that didn't continuously try to push me right wing garbage no matter my efforts.
Quote:If you look up a video game on Youtube you will eventually get shit from right wing grifters about how that game is woke in your recs.

Likewise back when I had Facebook they couldn't stop shoving "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS lieberal with facts and logic!!" down my feed. Their algorithms fucking suck.

Granted some Chud shit still slips through the cracks here and there on TT but its overall much better.
Fiction wrote:I need to go take some anxiety meds and lay down Jesus Christ.
Kyuuji wrote:Seeing people just be like 'yeh, nah' to X, Instagram, Facebook and Threads and instead go and put Xiaohongshu to the top of the app store has been a cool moment. People are tired, they're not won over by a loser like Musk or being able to freely call women objects. They just want to see people be people. Doing things they're interested in, making videos or posts about delicious food or cool drawings, actually enjoying and interacting with life. Not a constant circlejerk of assholes trying to out-asshole each other.
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/cbs-tiktok-says-it-plans-to-shut-down-site-in-the-us-unless-supreme-court-strikes-down-law-forcing-it-to-sell.1078593/page-16#post-134144202
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You go to the toilet. You open the door. There's a Kyuuji there, cowering in front of locked cubicals. He turns around meekly. 'No, no, please' he protests. He reaches into his bag, and hands you a passport.
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Nepenthe wrote:People saying to shut down all social media because they are tools that authoritarians use are putting the cart before the horse. Social media is not the root issue for the rise in fascism. It's neoliberal capitalism.

You have a bunch of wealthy people who are personally invested in remaining wealthy. Their wealth inherently comes at the cost of the livelihood of everyone who is not wealthy.

So they convince you that your conditions are the result of immigrants, or crime, or golly gee gosh the long arc of progress, and not the fact that they have deliberately rigged systems to absolutely fuck you over, and that there are more immediate ways to fight them (indeed, they've convinced you that those immediate ways are immoral and/or useless.)

And they convince you through media channels. You shut down social media, they still have control of the televisions, the newspapers, the radio, and the ear of the politicians. Hell, some of them are in our government right now.

Killing the Internet is not going to stop fascism. You stop fascism by directly addressing the conditions that cause it, which is the rot of neoliberal capitalism. If you're not addressing that, you aren't serious about stopping fascism and need to stop pretending. Economics determines the culture, not the other way around.
I wonder if she dates "neoliberal capitalism" as coming before 1919. hmm

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Nepenthe wrote:You have a bunch of wealthy people who are personally invested in remaining wealthy. Their wealth inherently comes at the cost of the livelihood of everyone who is not wealthy.
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Economics determines the culture, not the other way around.
Fascist Manifesto wrote:Italians!

Here is the program of a sane Italian movement. Revolutionary because anti-dogmatic and anti-demagogical; strongly innovative because anti-prejudicial. We place the valorization of revolutionary war above everything and everyone. The other problems: bureaucratic, administrative, legal, educational, colonial, etc., we will chart when we have created the ruling class.
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For the social problem: WE WANT:

The prompt enactment of a state law enshrining the legal eight-hour workday for all jobs. Minimum wages. The participation of workers' representatives in the technical operation of industry. The entrusting to the proletarian organizations themselves (who are morally and technically worthy) of the management of public industries or services. The speedy and complete settlement of the railroad workers and all transportation industries. A necessary amendment of the Disability and Old Age Insurance Bill by lowering the age limit, currently proposed at 65, to 55.
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WE WANT:

A strong extraordinary tax on capital of a progressive nature, having the form of true PARTIAL EXPROPRIATION of all wealth. The seizure of all property of religious congregations and the abolition of all diocesan benefices, which constitute a huge liability for the nation and a privilege of the few.

The revision of all war supply contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of war profits.
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