Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Sometimes I think that the forum is really too US centered and it shows a LOT in this thread with all the ban petitions (which I agree partly).

Yeah, Twitter is really bad, but have you ever thought for the rest of languages which, the rest of alternatives are basically non existent?...

Japan related threads (particular case, the vTuber thread for example) would be basically extinct since almost all the population post on Twitter.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/page-8#post-134676699

Twitter is the default social media in Japan as far as I’m aware, so this ban would be especially hilarious. Think the only Japanese on bluesky are like hentai artists

I brought this up in the constructive criticism thread and the response by other users was basically 'well they will move to bluesky if their engagement drops'.

Gotta be juicy in there

America first, eh Era?

[Uncle]

Famiboards has a COMMUNITY discussion, Era must have a MODERATION discussion. Hmm..

 

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[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Famiboards has a COMMUNITY discussion, Era must have a MODERATION discussion. Hmm..

 

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[kaleidoscopium]

Listen, if we wind up doing it we'd just disable future embeds and not start banning people en mass for still using it. (Though I wouldn't mind coming down more on people whose threads are literally just a social media link in an OP and nothing else)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/page-8#post-134677764

[Snoopy]

Seeing as I'm an artist now I thought I should make art everyone on the spectrum can enjoy.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

dang tell excelsiorlef how you really feel

[HaughtyFrank]

Listen, if we wind up doing it we'd just disable future embeds and not start banning people en mass for still using it. (Though I wouldn't mind coming down more on people whose threads are literally just a social media link in an OP and nothing else)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/page-8#post-134677764

Same guy who says that Edmont Dantes copying whole articles is role model behavior

[kaleidoscopium]

I love my people, lord knows i do. But if you going to be a content creator and post internet vids. Please black people do this...

Change the battery on your smoke detector. You can get a fatpack at dollar tree for 5 dollars, or steal one out a kid's remote control car. But please just do it. They last for years, and can save your life. It is starting to be a stereotype

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-love-my-people-lord-knows-i-do-but-if-you-going-to-be-a-content-creator-and-post-internet-vids-please-black-people-do-this.1088313/#post-134672325


Starting to be? The consumer product safety Commission put this out 4 years ago having to tell black people to change their smoke alarm batteries  

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2022/Learn-the-Sounds-of-Fire-Safety-to-Avoid-Danger-African-Americans-Have-the-Highest-Rate-of-Fire-Deaths-and-Injuries

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

[HaughtyFrank]

It's weird that it's a black thing. Like it shouldn't be but somehow it is.

[benji]

[benji]

This is the one I was looking for.

[EaldNarche]

Listen, if we wind up doing it we'd just disable future embeds and not start banning people en mass for still using it. (Though I wouldn't mind coming down more on people whose threads are literally just a social media link in an OP and nothing else)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/page-8#post-134677764

so first bdubs was saying that it was impossible to ban twitter links, but now it suddenly isn't and he's looking into it? hmmm 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

CHIRP!

[benji]

I love my people, lord knows i do. But if you going to be a content creator and post internet vids. Please black people do this...

Change the battery on your smoke detector. You can get a fatpack at dollar tree for 5 dollars, or steal one out a kid's remote control car. But please just do it. They last for years, and can save your life. It is starting to be a stereotype

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-love-my-people-lord-knows-i-do-but-if-you-going-to-be-a-content-creator-and-post-internet-vids-please-black-people-do-this.1088313/#post-134672325

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I love my people, lord knows i do. But if you going to be a content creator and post internet vids. Please black people do this...

Change the battery on your smoke detector. You can get a fatpack at dollar tree for 5 dollars, or steal one out a kid's remote control car. But please just do it. They last for years, and can save your life. It is starting to be a stereotype

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-love-my-people-lord-knows-i-do-but-if-you-going-to-be-a-content-creator-and-post-internet-vids-please-black-people-do-this.1088313/#post-134672325

I fucking hate the term soyboy but this guy practically oozes in it.

[Potato]

"We can't just turn off the switch!" my ass.

I love that nobody even bothers to check B-Dubs lies:

BB code media sites
BB code media sites are a means by which links to content hosted on external sites, such as YouTube or Instagram can be converted into embedded media in users' messages automatically.

XenForo comes with a collection of predefined BB code media sites for popular sources including Facebook, Twitter, Flickr and Spotify.

Links posted in user messages will automatically be processed and turned into embedded media if the Auto-embed media links option is enabled under the Media embedding section of XenForo's options system.

BB code media site manager
Within the BB code media site manager, you can view all of the available media sites and temporarily disable each of them with a single click on the toggle gadget. You can also delete sites or add a new one.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/#post-134668242

Last I saw from B-Dubs was that it's not feasible because of the forum software. If a ban went into effect it would have to be enforced by the staff which would be a lot more work, but maybe after the Nazi salute we can get people to stop sourcing from there voluntarily.

Considering Famiboards is running on Xenforo too and it's voting for a ban, I really doubt it's not technically feasible.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/#post-134668398

I don't know them. Maybe they'll be enforcing it through moderation and not technically.

Nah, they're talking about deactivating embeds too. If this is the particular plugin the forum is using, then removing embeds is definitely possible. https://xenforo.com/community/resources/s9e-media-sites.5973/

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/page-3#post-134669868

i just spun up a temporary xenforo instance and was able to disable/delete any site i wanted in the forum software's admin panel pretty much instantly. even the plugin i believe we're using (s9e media sites) says you can disable any website by following the same procedure even with the same exact steps as the vanilla media embed plugin


i'm not sure what else could be causing an issue on the forum software side to enable a ban?

Can we disable Twitter links? 

Not because of Musk. Just because it's fucking shit and I hate it.

[benji]

Can we disable Twitter links? 

Not because of Musk. Just because it's fucking shit and I hate it.

How does this solve the problem of capitalism?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Fuck Trump, Fuck Twitter, Fuck Fascist USA!

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-love-my-people-lord-knows-i-do-but-if-you-going-to-be-a-content-creator-and-post-internet-vids-please-black-people-do-this.1088313/#post-134672325

I fucking hate the term soyboy but this guy practically oozes in it.

Annoyingly he spends most of his time to explain the concept of a dog's whistle and not why it's racist or why it's also a joke among black people

[EaldNarche]

Can we disable Twitter links? 

Not because of Musk. Just because it's fucking shit and I hate it.

How does this solve the problem of capitalism?

you should do it to spite nintex though. he's been too happy since trump won. 

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sports-subreddits-lead-a-charge-to-ban-x-links-after-elon-musks-nazi-salute.1088235/page-6#post-134673339

Yeah, someone got told to remove the poll it looks like.

Look, it's not as easy as flipping a switch, but we're looking into it ok. I just find this whole thing deeply ironic given my own personal stance on the platform and the fact I've been tell people to leave since before he bought it.

Apparently the other forums are going to be banning all embeds. Presumably that entire Media button or all bbcode behind it.

Yeah, and that's what we'd like to avoid because we can do that easy enough. I don't think anyone wants to go back into old threads and not be able to understand any of the discussions going on as that would suck. There's a difference between doing it wrong and doing it right and if we're going to do something we're not going to just rush it and fuck it up.

Spineless. Moderation doing the exact same thing Era is suggesting Insta and other platforms are doing. 

I mean, you fucked up every other feature you attempted to implement, why stop now?

[benji]

Can we disable Twitter links? 

Not because of Musk. Just because it's fucking shit and I hate it.

How does this solve the problem of capitalism?

you should do it to spite nintex though. he's been too happy since trump won. 

Like holy shit, I've literally taken more responsibility and apologized more for this goddamn forum than you all expect from actual politicians who have a direct impact on whether you fucking live a dignified life or not, and I don't even own it nor was I elected to this position!

[Potato]

I would say I feel bad for B-dubs because it's almost as if every day there is a new fire for his moderation team to deal with

But then I remember he fostered this kind of community and laugh instead. 

Don't feel sorry for the guy with a burning house when he's standing there with a match and a can of fuel.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-love-my-people-lord-knows-i-do-but-if-you-going-to-be-a-content-creator-and-post-internet-vids-please-black-people-do-this.1088313/

While the site discusses a twitter ban it's Slayven who comes in with the real talk.

Change the battery on your smoke detector. You can get a fatpack at dollar tree for 5 dollars, or steal one out a kid's remote control car. But please just do it. They last for years, and can save your life. It is starting to be a stereotype

What the fuck has being a content creator got to do with smoke alarms?

[benji]

Can we at least get a thread or something with a general idea of a timeline? I understand its a big undertaking but i think it would go a long way toward community building to have knowledge that its being discussed and explored actively.

Have you missed b-dubs posting several times that it's in the works/being explored in this thread?

No which is why I was asking for a dedicated thread/sticky so people can be kept updated after this thread has run its course.

I trust bdubs is doing their best but also know that it's easy for things to fall to the wayside after a big blowout happens like the catalyst for this thread to begin with.

I'm not sure what you expect to keep being updated with. I doubt mods are going to leak their internal workflows.

They will tell us when they're ready to say something.

We're not putting important shit like this up to a vote. Especially when most of the people voting don't know the details or understand all of the ramifications.

The poll was removed without any messaging because it demonstrated the same sentiment that the thread is clearly showing…? The same change that you are now investigating how to implement? For real?

I really hope you understand that it was an extremely shitty thing to do. Making these changes like removing user interactions en masse without any kind of communication is awful.

I'm not asking for hourly updates or something, just something in general. I dunno, ignore me. I have heard so many excuses about why twitter is so important that I worry once pressure dies down it'll be put on the back burner. Again nothing against b-dubs who I trust to be honest with what they are saying. I mean we've had sticky threads for all kinds of things. This seems like something that would be helpful for those of us who are as frustrated as we are (or frankly terrified to speak for myself). But that's all, again, I have no say here, I was just asking if it was possible.

Look, it's not as easy as flipping a switch, but we're looking into it ok. I just find this whole thing deeply ironic given my own personal stance on the platform and the fact I've been tell people to leave since before he bought it.

Elon took over Twitter, in 2022. It's been an undeniable shitshow since 2023. "It's not as easy as flipping a switch" becomes an increasingly flimsy justification over time.

Yeah, and that's what we'd like to avoid because we can do that easy enough. I don't think anyone wants to go back into old threads and not be able to understand any of the discussions going on as that would suck. There's a difference between doing it wrong and doing it right and if we're going to do something we're not going to just rush it and fuck it up.

I would be perfectly happy with older threads being more inconvenient to parse in exchange for not relying a website run by a Nazi for Nazis.

I agree that there is a difference between doing it wrong and doing it right. In this situation, I believe that any form of inaction is doing it wrong.

Yeah this is absurd. Talking about protecting "the community" while silencing the community vote.

Ban Twitter. It's long past time.

If only there was something Era could do to ban it, but alas I guess we are powerless here as we've been talking about since the shit stain bought it.

How are you expecting to know the needs and health of the community if things like polls are shut down because you consider them to be nothing more than noise?

That's the community trying to communicate with you. We're not all given the ear of mods, so a way to communicate a point or sentiment en masse is important.

if its a technical issue, or if there are feasibility things to figure out okay sure

but it being run by a racist asshole and people wanting it out of this site has been ongoing for like over two years now

people could have taken time to "do it right" and still have done it ages ago

now we're just scrambling to do it because the dude who spread race science before finally did a salute in public and then just to keep up with random subreddits

Should have been banned on Era the moment it was clear Trump won the election.

X is a government run state media now and the government is controlled by people who want unsavory things for minorities among other heinous things.

little wild that it took this place longer to do it than Reddit. Also don't we ban several sites as sources here already? Just add another url to that list lol. But sure take your time I guess

To be frank, I don't really think a poll in this thread shows anything meaningful to begin with. It was tacked onto a thread that's already about other places banning Twitter. I think it's very safe to say people clicking into this thread probably agree with the idea of this site banning Twitter. That's not exactly a reliable representation of how users feel overall.

That being said: I don't get taking down the poll and then not even saying anything about it till pressed on top of it. Feel like it should have just been kept and someone could just basically say what I said above. Or at least, someone could have said something when it was removed.

I was responding more to the "we won't leave this kind of thing up to a vote" sentiment, not specifically the poll in this thread necessarily.

I've felt the same way about the mod's flat refusal to discuss game bans with the community (KCD2, Wukong, etc.) I may not agree with the idea of banning something, I may agree, but without the ability to have my voice heard in some meaningful way (like a site-wide poll), the message is "this is the decision, deal with it," and that's not exactly a winning sentiment for a site that was made specifically to serve a community that had grown weary of the leadership on the old site.

If the mods on Era are taking their time I trust they're not doing it because they secretly don't want to, or merely want to drag their feet for fun/laziness.

this is hilarious because this means Reddit is actually flanking Resetera on this lmao

I'm shocked, to be honest.

It was a little embarrassing that ResetEra hadn't considered more earnest efforts of a ban before this (or, at least those efforts weren't effectively communicated to the community). However, to see sports subreddits implement a ban before ResetEra is nearly unbelievable to me. For as much video game (and off-topic) news is sourced on this site from Twitter, sports subreddits get the vast and overwhelming amount of their sourcing of content from Twitter, from breaking news (official and from insiders), to posts of highlight clips, to statistical trends/analysis, etc. I always thought sports media would be one of the last pillars propping up Twitter to ever fall.

Non-Americans fuck off:

I brought this up in the constructive community thread and the response by other users was basically 'well they will move to bluesky if their engagement drops'.

Embarrassing as expected from US users but par for the course, another thing on to the "we are a global forum but you have to agree to every US user says" list.

Listen, if we wind up doing it we'd just disable future embeds and not start banning people en mass for still using it. (Though I wouldn't mind coming down more on people whose threads are literally just a social media link in an OP and nothing else)

The thing is, the rest of languages and countries are still heavily reliant on Twitter (point in case, Japan, or my country Colombia for naming two examples), and just saying that eventually they move to another social media is VERY dismissive. Also, the fact that some posters already equates posting on Twitter = Nazi supporters it's just wrong.

Not from the US, but even if it's dismissive, there is no going back for twitter, at some point you need to rip that bandaid off, otherwise you are just waiting for musk to stop caring about paying the debts Twitter has.

Yeah, not wanting to support Nazis is really embarrassing. The less embarrassing thing is clearly getting incensed because you wouldn't be able to--checks notes--post vTuber embeds from Twitter. No one is saying you wouldn't be allowed to watch them or talk about them. This is literally like the bare minimum we can do.

Won't somebody please think of the VTubers 😭

Twitter is never going to get better. It's on a one way trip. Being heavily reliant on it is all the more reason to escape it before things get even worse. The writing has been on the wall for 816 days and counting. How much longer do folks need?

Yeah, not wanting to support Nazis is really embarrassing. The less embarrassing thing is clearly getting incensed because you wouldn't be able to--checks notes--post vTuber embeds from Twitter. No one is saying you wouldn't be allowed to watch them or talk about them. This is literally like the bare minimum we can do.

Example #1 of equating posting something from Twitter as support Nazis. Also, thanks for the passive-aggressive dunk, you're already proving my point.

Twitter is never going to get better. It's on a one way trip. Being heavily reliant on it is all the more reason to escape it before things get even worse. The writing has been on the wall for 816 days and counting. How much longer do folks need?

Tell me, how do you convince entire countries to change media when it's so really ingrained at the moment? It isn't like I can just post "Colombians, stop posting on Twitter and move to whatever platform" and they obey.

No, I'm equating supporting a platform personally owned by the man who just did two Sieg Heils on live worldwide television with supporting a Nazi. Using the platform puts money in his pocket, which he then gives to far-right political parties around the world.

You may be okay with that, but many people clearly are not okay with it, and there's nothing to be embarrassed about in not wanting to be associated with it.

"A nazi owns and controls this social media platform, but everyone from my country uses it so I wanna keep using the nazi platform."

I mean, do you hear yourself? My biggest irritation is why you need social media to be populated by fellow Colombians. I've been on Twitter, I'll probably be on BluSky, and I always follow English-speaking sources and communities, despite English not being my native language. Why is it so important to you to have Colombians there? Plus: I bet there are Colombians on BluSky, too, and if not you could be spear heading more Colombians coming to BluSky by telling your friends and family about it.

Really, we're talking about the highest stakes here, nazism, so I have a hard time following your argument. And just to make clear, I'm not saying "posting on twitter = being a nazi", but that's not the point, is it.

We're talking about progressive values on so many occasions, but when it really matters we shy away from actually doing something, because it might slightly inconvenience us. No longer supporting Elon Musk's twitter is not a big inconvenience.

By banning/limiting/removing it from discussions so that over time it has less prevalence.

You're arguing that some people use Twitter, so people should use Twitter and nothing can really ever be done.

how hard is it to stop supporting a Nazi

[HaughtyFrank]

I'm just happy they're focusing on something that matters again 

Banning something on the forum

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

"A nazi owns and controls this social media platform, but everyone from my country uses it so I wanna keep using the nazi platform."

I mean, do you hear yourself? My biggest irritation is why you need social media to be populated by fellow Colombians. I've been on Twitter, I'll probably be on BluSky, and I always follow English-speaking sources and communities, despite English not being my native language. Why is it so important to you to have Colombians there? Plus: I bet there are Colombians on BluSky, too, and if not you could be spear heading more Colombians coming to BluSky by telling your friends and family about it.

Really, we're talking about the highest stakes here, nazism, so I have a hard time following your argument. And just to make clear, I'm not saying "posting on twitter = being a nazi", but that's not the point, is it.

We're talking about progressive values on so many occasions, but when it really matters we shy away from actually doing something, because it might slightly inconvenience us. No longer supporting Elon Musk's twitter is not a big inconvenience.

Lil bro who cried over a mixing bowl is talking really big.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I understand that it sucks to be the first on a new platform. But let me ask you this then: What would it take for you to instantly leave Twitter? If Elon Musk, it's owner, doing a Hitler-Gruß in broad public isn't enough, what is your red line? Or will you forgive anything, because using Twitter is that important to your life?

I don't know. No one seemed to care when our data was being sold left and right by these corporations but Elon being his autistic stupid self is the final straw?

[benji]

I understand that it sucks to be the first on a new platform. But let me ask you this then: What would it take for you to instantly leave Twitter? If Elon Musk, it's owner, doing a Hitler-Gruß in broad public isn't enough, what is your red line? Or will you forgive anything, because using Twitter is that important to your life?

Somebody hasn't heard that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism.