Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Potato]

I'm saying that Stewart (who would identify as a liberal) and his refusal to condemn Chappelle for his transphobia is exactly a reason why progressives and liberals are increasingly divided.

You mention that they're 80% close in ideology but that extra 20% is really fucking important.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jon-stewart-injures-hand-after-breaking-mug-during-heated-monologue-on-daily-show.1118490/post-136275060

Is it though? Is Chappelle making trans jokes that important? More important than universal healthcare, cheaper education, higher minimum wage, housing, gun control etc. etc. 

Are trans jokes truly that important?

When you live a privileged life in the suburbs in your parents home without any real concerns about the basic hierarchy of needs, then yes, they are that important.

[DocWager]

uh oh melty incoming

https://www.resetera.com/threads/am-i-an-arsehole.1119051/#post-136278231

…And gone.

I have an account. So it’s definitely gone.

[benji]

I'm saying that Stewart (who would identify as a liberal) and his refusal to condemn Chappelle for his transphobia is exactly a reason why progressives and liberals are increasingly divided.

You mention that they're 80% close in ideology but that extra 20% is really fucking important.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jon-stewart-injures-hand-after-breaking-mug-during-heated-monologue-on-daily-show.1118490/post-136275060

Is it though? Is Chappelle making trans jokes that important? More important than universal healthcare, cheaper education, higher minimum wage, housing, gun control etc. etc. 

Are trans jokes truly that important?

More important than devoting an entire episode of your show to the subject (this is just one part of it but the entire thing isn't on their account):


Spreading misogynistic anti-science propaganda means nothing if Jon won't condemn his Black Muslim friend.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/young-doctors-want-work-life-balance-older-doctors-say-that%E2%80%99s-not-the-job.1116906/page-2#post-136229703

RBH
Official ERA expert on Third Party Football

I've lived through this for a number of years

Without going into too much detail, my training in residency and fellowship was tough in terms of number of hours, work/life balance, and toll on my mental health, among other things. I learned a hell of a lot and I'm glad that I've come out on the other side as a physician who loves what he does on a daily basis. I couldn't see myself doing anything else since the field of medicine has always been fascinating to me. I feel fortunate in those regards because I know a lot of physicians that end up in jobs that they can't fucking stand for one reason or another, whether it's because they become disenchanted with the politics involved in hospitals/healthcare or they lose passion for their respective speciality or due to location/salary/etc. Regardless of all that, the bottom line is that there is a clear gulf between the expectations of the "old guard" in medicine versus the current/upcoming generation in terms of the current training system and work/life balance. My thinking for a number of years is that just because the prior generation did their training in a particular way, it doesn't mean that it should be automatically carried over for future classes of trainees. "I had to suffer during my training, so you should too" is not a valid excuse for overworking physicians to the point of mental and/or physical personal harm. There should be a way of maintaining educational competence for physicians/trainees without having to chew them up and spit them out like the system has done for decades now.

So the guy who posts nonstop about junk food is a doctor or something? You can't make this shit up.  

[Snoopy]

Can we just take a moment to thank Nep for not revoking Spartacus's thread making privileges. I thought she would have stepped in by now.

[nowconcerning]

That's a lot of effort and it's really cool you put so much thought into everyone having one that's tailored to them. I'd probs still share each cake as then everyone gets a taste of what everyone likes, but obvs you have reasons for why that's difficult. I'm also not massively into cake so I'd probably get tired of a whole one just for me!

how do u even try to reason with that lunatic? 

it's all fake 'being nice to each' bullshit, enabling weirdos instead of saying how it is

[killamajig]

[Jeff_at_the_laughfactory]

Cake thread got locked at OP's request, Echos most likely has a turbo spergout brewing.

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Echoes if you are lurking this thread, get off resetera and go touch grass. You'll start feeling better, even if just a bit. No good can be gained from being a 5 figure poster on that board

[benji]

Echoes if you are lurking this thread, get off resetera and go touch grass. You'll start feeling better, even if just a bit. No good can be gained from being a 5 figure poster on that board

In my opinion you have the causation backwards.

[Kyon1988]

uh oh melty incoming

https://www.resetera.com/threads/am-i-an-arsehole.1119051/#post-136278231

ill suck all your ass hole away like Green Mile

What the heck

[Ribosome]

I'm saying that Stewart (who would identify as a liberal) and his refusal to condemn Chappelle for his transphobia is exactly a reason why progressives and liberals are increasingly divided.

You mention that they're 80% close in ideology but that extra 20% is really fucking important.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jon-stewart-injures-hand-after-breaking-mug-during-heated-monologue-on-daily-show.1118490/post-136275060

Is it though? Is Chappelle making trans jokes that important? More important than universal healthcare, cheaper education, higher minimum wage, housing, gun control etc. etc. 

Are trans jokes truly that important?

Anything other than the maximalist trans position is in fact genocide.

[BIONIC]

uh oh melty incoming

https://www.resetera.com/threads/am-i-an-arsehole.1119051/#post-136278231

…And gone.

I have an account. So it’s definitely gone.

I’m logged in and see it

[benita]

/unjerk

I genuinely don't understand the wholesale vitriol directed by era at AI.

Of course I understand the concerns around ethics, copyright and replacement of jobs, but similar arguments could have been made against the assembly line, Microsoft Office or even electricity.

Will some jobs be replaced? Sure, but others will be created. And AI should help create efficiencies for nearly everyone. 

On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

/rejerk

lol I wonder if AI can help nepnep get a better deal on her next car loan

[BIONIC]

Constructive dump:

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So...do any mods or admins even read this thread? Or was it created for users to shout into a void?

We read it. We have meetings about the topics brought up. We stress over it, etc.

Don’t conflate “thing I want to happen, that I brought up in this thread, didn’t happen” with us not paying attention to this thread. We do. But this isn’t a drive-thru window. We still have a process.

I appreciate that, but I think a constructive suggestion would be to have more and better communication. In this specific case, even a "we've heard from people and are looking into it."

Also, to remind people again this thread isn't for people to come in, whether singularly or as a group, to question or appeal against specific bans or see to have them overturned (or even explained tbf).

it seems to work though

Yep, not to shit on anyone but a lot of stuff could be chilled out with a simple statement like that. I’ve also seen a lot of situations with no acknowledgement. To be fair though, it does seem better as of recent so hopefully that continues.

Late to this. Summoning [USER=143]B-Dubs[/USER] as this is not really something I decide. I'm guessing it remains open until we close it when we feel we have enough staff. Screening and such is probably happening as soon as schedules permit.

We got a number of applicants already and we're going to start narrowing it down this week. Even removing the obvious trolls, there's way too many for us to talk to everyone.

People can consider applications closed at the end of the week. If you don't hear from us in the next few weeks, it doesn't mean there was a rejection it just means there was maybe someone who was a better fit for our needs at this time. We're going to hang onto the list and use it the next time we need someone, so you might hear from us in the future.


I need to be honest, usually we don't engage either when people are obviously breaking the rules of the thread or we just got done being attacked by the people in the thread. Talking to people about stuff is one of the parts of this gig that I like, I really do, that said, there's a reason more of us don't engage more often. Eventually people get tired of getting yelled at or called names or having disgusting insinuations made about them. When one of us comes in here, it's kind of a 50/50 shot we get called some horrible thing by someone who is outraged about something. Or someone with a grudge will just snipe at whoever is in here and we don't wind up banning them because whoever they took a shot at thinks they're not worth it. Or a moderator will post something and then a poster will pick it apart and totally twist it out of context and say we said something we didn't.

A good example of that last point was the staff post everyone was up in arms about last week. People twisted that around to mean something that we very clearly did not say.

If you guys want more engagement from us in here, it would help if the thread was a little less hostile and angry. Speaking for myself alone here, I'm less likely to jump in to talk about stuff when people come in carrying torches and pitchforks. I imagine most of you would be the exact same way.


Actually, it kinda didn't.

I was out of town over the weekend--on a weekend road trip to go watch the MLS season opener--and happened to check the report queue during a rest stop, saw an unrelated report and dug through the thread for context, then saw the ban in question and flagged it, with appropriate context, for everyone else on staff to handle. I didn't even realize you guys were in here complaining about it until I checked the thread after getting home on Sunday.

I'm not saying it to be mean or anything, but to say this: if you think a ban is wrong then send in a report explaining why you think it's wrong and we'll take a look at it. Coming in here and yelling at us about it isn't the best way to get a mistake fixed, reaching out nicely is. When I had flagged the post, nobody had sent in a report or a ticket or anything. We have a discord and new reports automatically get posted in there, so the easiest way to flag a moderator about a post is literally to send in a report on the post and tell us what the problem is that way.

Keep in mind, we won't always agree with you, but that doesn't mean we don't listen. It just means we disagree.

Tagging along with what b-dubs and Royalan said here recently, I'll add some thoughts on some stuff.

I think some of us have different understandings of how this thread works, what it is and what it isn't. I think it is easy for some users who expect too much of this thread and frankly have unrealistic expectations of staff even at times, to get worked up and frustrated because these unmet expectations are essentially setup for disaster.

This thread is not a support thread. There is no queue for us to look at. There is no system that tags issues that remain until it is checked off and then get logged for future reference. It is just a discussion thread. Discussions can include but doesn't have to include moderators. A small selection of staff does check the thread fairly regularly but when I see an issue I flag it for processing. Only a few of the simple stuff that I can answer will I engage in conversation. Most of the staff that check the thread also would rather not engage in here at all and just push the issues up to mod meetings, reports, discussions etc. Recently there were at least two reviews that happened faster than the issue brought up here, just through the reports and re-discussing it as per usual. If you want my 2c on an issue I need you to tag me or I'll miss it or probably not respond to it. Reminders are fine. I don't check this thread regularly and when I do it is just to push things into the right place. We're short staffed, things are not quick. Getting worked up in here or elsewhere because of it is not going to help any one.

Not necessarily related to anything recent but I think some members deeply undervalue the posts and discussions from their peers here. Aside from easing some of the burden off moderators with repeated answers they also provide missing insight and different interpretations etc. If you come here and reject response from your peers and start to feel like you're screaming into the void I'm not about to join that discussion. Sometimes users aren't here for discussion but to demand answers and resolutions, generally specific ones to their own sensibilities. I get that people need to vent, but I'm not about to jump in light to be a punching bag after for a forum and you shouldn't treat other members this way either. We need to be able to express that we are upset without lashing out at others who are engaging with us in good faith.




We can't change the perception of others who refuse to believe us. Just try not to set people up for failure where you think it is working because it was raised in here and then action was taken vs moderators eventually got to the reported item in the queue and actioned it as per usual. We can count the times an issue was raised and a ban was actioned/lifted and all is well. We can also point to the times it doesn't work out. We can also point to a number of times people get so worked up over it that things just escalated. I don't like banning people in this thread. I'd rather write it off if it is a casual one off thing as a learning experience especially when we have multiple users reminding others of the thread rules.

Hoping with more mods coming in and more hands on deck we can get through things faster. Every time we have these ban litigations it feels like this thread moves slightly closer to the sun. O_O

[Potato]

/unjerk

I genuinely don't understand the wholesale vitriol directed by era at AI.

Of course I understand the concerns around ethics, copyright and replacement of jobs, but similar arguments could have been made against the assembly line, Microsoft Office or even electricity.

Will some jobs be replaced? Sure, but others will be created. And AI should help create efficiencies for nearly everyone. 

On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

/rejerk

lol I wonder if AI can help nepnep get a better deal on her next car loan

It only became a problem when Nep was personally affected...like everything that's a problem there.

[Uncle]

On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

honestly? I only care if the quality is good

if a "prompt engineer" can make better movies than lotr, indiana jones, star wars, especially better than the current content coming out surrounding these franchises, then hell I will watch them

kind of like saying no one wants a star trek food replicator where you eat slop made by a computer all day, if it's delicious and nutritious then I absolutely do not care, sign me up for the food replicator

[benji]

Constructive dump:

I need to be honest, usually we don't engage either when people are obviously breaking the rules of the thread or we just got done being attacked by the people in the thread. Talking to people about stuff is one of the parts of this gig that I like, I really do, that said, there's a reason more of us don't engage more often. Eventually people get tired of getting yelled at or called names or having disgusting insinuations made about them. When one of us comes in here, it's kind of a 50/50 shot we get called some horrible thing by someone who is outraged about something. Or someone with a grudge will just snipe at whoever is in here and we don't wind up banning them because whoever they took a shot at thinks they're not worth it. Or a moderator will post something and then a poster will pick it apart and totally twist it out of context and say we said something we didn't.

A good example of that last point was the staff post everyone was up in arms about last week. People twisted that around to mean something that we very clearly did not say.

If you guys want more engagement from us in here, it would help if the thread was a little less hostile and angry. Speaking for myself alone here, I'm less likely to jump in to talk about stuff when people come in carrying torches and pitchforks. I imagine most of you would be the exact same way.


Actually, it kinda didn't.

I was out of town over the weekend--on a weekend road trip to go watch the MLS season opener--and happened to check the report queue during a rest stop, saw an unrelated report and dug through the thread for context, then saw the ban in question and flagged it, with appropriate context, for everyone else on staff to handle. I didn't even realize you guys were in here complaining about it until I checked the thread after getting home on Sunday.

I'm not saying it to be mean or anything, but to say this: if you think a ban is wrong then send in a report explaining why you think it's wrong and we'll take a look at it. Coming in here and yelling at us about it isn't the best way to get a mistake fixed, reaching out nicely is. When I had flagged the post, nobody had sent in a report or a ticket or anything. We have a discord and new reports automatically get posted in there, so the easiest way to flag a moderator about a post is literally to send in a report on the post and tell us what the problem is that way.

Keep in mind, we won't always agree with you, but that doesn't mean we don't listen. It just means we disagree.

Tagging along with what b-dubs and Royalan said here recently, I'll add some thoughts on some stuff.

I think some of us have different understandings of how this thread works, what it is and what it isn't. I think it is easy for some users who expect too much of this thread and frankly have unrealistic expectations of staff even at times, to get worked up and frustrated because these unmet expectations are essentially setup for disaster.

This thread is not a support thread. There is no queue for us to look at. There is no system that tags issues that remain until it is checked off and then get logged for future reference. It is just a discussion thread. Discussions can include but doesn't have to include moderators. A small selection of staff does check the thread fairly regularly but when I see an issue I flag it for processing. Only a few of the simple stuff that I can answer will I engage in conversation. Most of the staff that check the thread also would rather not engage in here at all and just push the issues up to mod meetings, reports, discussions etc. Recently there were at least two reviews that happened faster than the issue brought up here, just through the reports and re-discussing it as per usual. If you want my 2c on an issue I need you to tag me or I'll miss it or probably not respond to it. Reminders are fine. I don't check this thread regularly and when I do it is just to push things into the right place. We're short staffed, things are not quick. Getting worked up in here or elsewhere because of it is not going to help any one.

Not necessarily related to anything recent but I think some members deeply undervalue the posts and discussions from their peers here. Aside from easing some of the burden off moderators with repeated answers they also provide missing insight and different interpretations etc. If you come here and reject response from your peers and start to feel like you're screaming into the void I'm not about to join that discussion. Sometimes users aren't here for discussion but to demand answers and resolutions, generally specific ones to their own sensibilities. I get that people need to vent, but I'm not about to jump in light to be a punching bag after for a forum and you shouldn't treat other members this way either. We need to be able to express that we are upset without lashing out at others who are engaging with us in good faith.

We can't change the perception of others who refuse to believe us. Just try not to set people up for failure where you think it is working because it was raised in here and then action was taken vs moderators eventually got to the reported item in the queue and actioned it as per usual. We can count the times an issue was raised and a ban was actioned/lifted and all is well. We can also point to the times it doesn't work out. We can also point to a number of times people get so worked up over it that things just escalated. I don't like banning people in this thread. I'd rather write it off if it is a casual one off thing as a learning experience especially when we have multiple users reminding others of the thread rules.

Hoping with more mods coming in and more hands on deck we can get through things faster. Every time we have these ban litigations it feels like this thread moves slightly closer to the sun. O_O

Imagine writing these kinds of essays every few months instead of posting a few sentences every so often in the one thread you should be reading and responding to.

It only became a problem when Nep was personally affected...like everything that's a problem there.

Well, no, that implies that she has a job for AI to take.

[clockwork5]

B-Dubs is such a thin skinned little cocksucker. 

“You’re all so mean to me. I don’t even want to talk about stuff.”

Bro, you’re the biggest asshole of them all and the vast majority of the time everyone speaks to you like you’re about to write them a ticket and take them down to the station, so I think you can handle the occasional nerd who is sick of your bullshit.

[Potato]

Well, no, that implies that she has a job for AI to take.

I think she had only recently been cut from her contract gig on the furry porn simulator fighting game when AI started to be able to replicate basic animation and character design. 

Her lunacy really ramped up when she realised that her dream of doing generic character design in the meat grinder of B-tier video game development was up in smoke.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

I still can't believe mace windu, one of the strongest Jedi, got punked by a pair of white melted gonads that shot jizz with such force windu ceased to be

You have the soul of a poet.

[Potato]

I still can't believe mace windu, one of the strongest Jedi, got punked by a pair of white melted gonads that shot jizz with such force windu ceased to be

You have the soul of a poet.

...and the mouth of a street walker.

[benji]

I think she had only recently been cut from her contract gig on the furry porn simulator fighting game when AI started to be able to replicate basic animation and character design. 

Her lunacy really ramped up when she realised that her dream of doing generic character design in the meat grinder of B-tier video game development was up in smoke.

I'm not going to argue that she didn't think it was leading to that but I'm pretty sure it was a freelance contract for a single thing that had a definitive end rather than an open ended contract. She probably imagined it wasn't a group she involved herself in using her for below cost labor. "Furry socialist game developers exploiting me? That's UNpossible!"

[Potato]

I think she had only recently been cut from her contract gig on the furry porn simulator fighting game when AI started to be able to replicate basic animation and character design. 

Her lunacy really ramped up when she realised that her dream of doing generic character design in the meat grinder of B-tier video game development was up in smoke.

I'm not going to argue that she didn't think it was leading to that but I'm pretty sure it was a freelance contract for a single thing that had a definitive end rather than an open ended contract. She probably imagined it wasn't a group she involved herself in using her for below cost labor. "Furry socialist game developers exploiting me? That's UNpossible!"

You give Nep too much credit for understanding anything to do with the real world (actually you don't but it suits my narrative).

[benji]

Ironically, the job at Walgreens is probably more "future proof" because someone will always need to be yelled at about trying to use too many coupons.

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The funniest tech related thing related to coupons to me is how the self-checkouts at Kroger display an actual error code that corresponds to what was wrong with a coupon but doesn't actually display the text of the reason to the customer just the error code like E484 or something. It's been like 15 years and not a single person has ever said "hey we should elevate this text to the customer instead of showing this code"?

[benji]

THEY HATE ITALIANS:

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On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

honestly? I only care if the quality is good

if a "prompt engineer" can make better movies than lotr, indiana jones, star wars, especially better than the current content coming out surrounding these franchises, then hell I will watch them

kind of like saying no one wants a star trek food replicator where you eat slop made by a computer all day, if it's delicious and nutritious then I absolutely do not care, sign me up for the food replicator

You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

[Ribosome]

I'm saying that Stewart (who would identify as a liberal) and his refusal to condemn Chappelle for his transphobia is exactly a reason why progressives and liberals are increasingly divided.

You mention that they're 80% close in ideology but that extra 20% is really fucking important.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jon-stewart-injures-hand-after-breaking-mug-during-heated-monologue-on-daily-show.1118490/post-136275060

Is it though? Is Chappelle making trans jokes that important? More important than universal healthcare, cheaper education, higher minimum wage, housing, gun control etc. etc. 

Are trans jokes truly that important?

Coming back to this. 

After reading that the "majority was decided by just over 7,000 votes across three congressional districts (Iowa's 1st, Colorado's 8th, and Pennsylvania's 7th) out of nearly 148 million cast" I wonder if it is actually the case that the GOP wouldn't have had the votes tonight to slash low-income healthcare if it wasn't for the trans albatross.

[EaldNarche]

I don't want to see AI art in any sort of capacity. I'm a luddite when it comes to this. You couldn't pay me to watch a movie or play a game or read a book that some learning model regurgitated from training data. :v There's no soul in it. I won't do it.

[benji]

You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

It's nowhere near as BS as "real balance" as a justification for outlawing technology.

Coming back to this. 

After reading that the "majority was decided by just over 7,000 votes across three congressional districts (Iowa's 1st, Colorado's 8th, and Pennsylvania's 7th) out of nearly 148 million cast" I wonder if it is actually the case that the GOP wouldn't have had the votes tonight to slash low-income healthcare if it wasn't for the trans albatross.

Uh, actually, those seats were lost because the Democrats endorsed genocide.

[Boredfrom]

/unjerk

I genuinely don't understand the wholesale vitriol directed by era at AI.

Of course I understand the concerns around ethics, copyright and replacement of jobs, but similar arguments could have been made against the assembly line, Microsoft Office or even electricity.

Will some jobs be replaced? Sure, but others will be created. And AI should help create efficiencies for nearly everyone. 

On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

/rejerk

lol I wonder if AI can help nepnep get a better deal on her next car loan

Honestly, you had a good take about it.


Don’t let people contaminate with “but what if it becomes good enough hue hue hue” and post a shit Falloutesque prompt as a prove.

“It got the letters right.”