Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Propagandhim]

*Help!  Help!  I'm drowning!!*


"It doesn't matter how much you flirt with me or how sexy that little tush looks when you're flailing around, I'm not gonna save you!  The social contract is fucked."

[Besticus Maximus]

Good job we moved on from those creepy, awkward crushes/obsessions. Anyway, do you think the squids from nintendo are scissoring off camera?

[garamonde]

Come on everyone, PhoenixAKG needs our energy:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-beyond-the-spider-verse-will-put-miles-and-gwen-together.1030578/page-2#post-131403099



He is facing one of the toughest and weirdest bosses on ERA. All help is appreciated.

[Propagandhim]

I can think of virtually anyone more deserving. Also they don't typically give out food stamps to people who live rent free with their parents when they're almost 40

Fucking oppressive environment

See, the strat here is to shuffle through your system til you find an alter that is not very picky and is okay with buying 20 pounds of jasmine rice for $20 at participating Costco locations.

[Propagandhim]

maybe melody can just develop a little that doesn't need to eat? 

God fucking damnit, you did the joke first

[killamajig]

Fine, I'll elaborate but if you see no room for nuance then this will be a lengthy exercise in futility.

Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool. His masculine bravado is outdated at best. Yes, it's played for laughs and obviously that was a good choice so as to not play into harmful/racist stereotypes. While also showing that it's not a good thing to do. The creative team does a similar thing in Across by having Gwen react fondly/positively to Miles' journal of obsession. I can better frame my point by saying Miles is an awkward teenager who does things that are genuinely creepy in real life. I say that with some ounce of authority, because I'm a trans woman and once was a "teenage boy" with creepy, awkward crushes/obsessions. Am I projecting onto Miles? Absolutely! It comes from my own personal lived experience. It's from a place of empathy that I cringe at some of Miles' actions while also loving him as a character.

I am not a fan of Aaron's portrayal in Spider-Verse, there isn't a lot of nuance to his character like there is in the Insomniac games. He's the cool uncle that encourages Miles' creative spirit which goes outside what is "lawful." That part is fine, great even, as it ties into being a vigilante which all Spider-People are (generally speaking). But (in the film) he's also kinda literally a villain that is willing to kill a kid until he realizes it's his own damn nephew. Mind you, I'm cognisant of the fact that he works for Kingpin. There may have been an attempt at commentary there but it goes nowhere as he almost immediately dies so as to be this Miles' equivalent of Uncle Ben. Uncle Aaron evoking Uncle Ben is deliberate in that it's a shorthand to show he instilled some wisdom into Miles. Which is muddied in the execution of the movie but is reinforced by Miles still loving his uncle and paying tribute to him through graffiti. A medium of rebellion and expression outside of (white) laws. They had elements of something great there but fell short.

My intent was to convey that Aaron didn't have good wisdom to give Miles in regards to approaching girls/women. How I expressed and worded that in my original post is not okay, and I again apologize for that.

Yes, this can boil down to me not liking Miles/Gwen for personal reasons and it does to a degree. It can simultaneously be true that I genuinely feel they are better as friends as of Beyond. As I said in another post, I can be sold on them as a romantic pairing. It's plenty possible that Beyond will be able to do that after we see the rest of Miles' arc and how Gwen's ties into it. Especially after she betrayed Miles and was not a good ally to him.

I do not view Miles as a "threat" to Gwen, and I apologize for using rhetoric that, intentionally or not, plays into racist notions. I also realize the importance of Black boys/men getting together romantically with white girls/women in mainstream media, especially when it's aimed at children. "Children's animation" is a very important medium for conveying good and progressive messages/representation to children, as well as adults. Especially for minorities. My personal feelings on the pairing should not take away from that, but I realize they can and probably do.

I could not convey what I wanted to in a concise manner, so here's my verbose thoughts. Warts and all.

If Miles was a woman this would all be fine for our little Princess.

PhoenixAKG

You really shouldn't have replied........

An awkward crush is not an obsession.......not even close to it. And not to mention with the whole "Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool." It's a shoulder touch. It's done all the time in media. At most it's awkward and crigne. You're framing this as some of "threatening" act and implyin Aaron has problematic views on women overall due to this. You're still veering into framing the interest of black men/kids into women as "threatening" with that rhetoric along with saying Miles's crush as an "obsession". Miles wasn't even being creepy and clearly established some rapport at first. Plus that is one scene from every other interaction they have. Hyper-focusing on this and trying to make it "problematic" is ridiculous as at worst it is cringe and awkward. I have never heard before today ANYONE thinking how Miles act is somehow 'creepy'

Also I notice your lack of addressing your other part of saying Aaron "didn't instill great values in Miles with women as he only has his mom and gwen" with regards to the existence of Peni and Margo and ALSO the fact the movies don't dwell into people's social lives in general.

[Jansen]

Rice and beans make a complete protein

[Jansen]

Fine, I'll elaborate but if you see no room for nuance then this will be a lengthy exercise in futility.

Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool. His masculine bravado is outdated at best. Yes, it's played for laughs and obviously that was a good choice so as to not play into harmful/racist stereotypes. While also showing that it's not a good thing to do. The creative team does a similar thing in Across by having Gwen react fondly/positively to Miles' journal of obsession. I can better frame my point by saying Miles is an awkward teenager who does things that are genuinely creepy in real life. I say that with some ounce of authority, because I'm a trans woman and once was a "teenage boy" with creepy, awkward crushes/obsessions. Am I projecting onto Miles? Absolutely! It comes from my own personal lived experience. It's from a place of empathy that I cringe at some of Miles' actions while also loving him as a character.

I am not a fan of Aaron's portrayal in Spider-Verse, there isn't a lot of nuance to his character like there is in the Insomniac games. He's the cool uncle that encourages Miles' creative spirit which goes outside what is "lawful." That part is fine, great even, as it ties into being a vigilante which all Spider-People are (generally speaking). But (in the film) he's also kinda literally a villain that is willing to kill a kid until he realizes it's his own damn nephew. Mind you, I'm cognisant of the fact that he works for Kingpin. There may have been an attempt at commentary there but it goes nowhere as he almost immediately dies so as to be this Miles' equivalent of Uncle Ben. Uncle Aaron evoking Uncle Ben is deliberate in that it's a shorthand to show he instilled some wisdom into Miles. Which is muddied in the execution of the movie but is reinforced by Miles still loving his uncle and paying tribute to him through graffiti. A medium of rebellion and expression outside of (white) laws. They had elements of something great there but fell short.

My intent was to convey that Aaron didn't have good wisdom to give Miles in regards to approaching girls/women. How I expressed and worded that in my original post is not okay, and I again apologize for that.

Yes, this can boil down to me not liking Miles/Gwen for personal reasons and it does to a degree. It can simultaneously be true that I genuinely feel they are better as friends as of Beyond. As I said in another post, I can be sold on them as a romantic pairing. It's plenty possible that Beyond will be able to do that after we see the rest of Miles' arc and how Gwen's ties into it. Especially after she betrayed Miles and was not a good ally to him.

I do not view Miles as a "threat" to Gwen, and I apologize for using rhetoric that, intentionally or not, plays into racist notions. I also realize the importance of Black boys/men getting together romantically with white girls/women in mainstream media, especially when it's aimed at children. "Children's animation" is a very important medium for conveying good and progressive messages/representation to children, as well as adults. Especially for minorities. My personal feelings on the pairing should not take away from that, but I realize they can and probably do.

I could not convey what I wanted to in a concise manner, so here's my verbose thoughts. Warts and all.

If Miles was a woman this would all be fine for our little Princess.

PhoenixAKG

You really shouldn't have replied........

An awkward crush is not an obsession.......not even close to it. And not to mention with the whole "Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool." It's a shoulder touch. It's done all the time in media. At most it's awkward and crigne. You're framing this as some of "threatening" act and implyin Aaron has problematic views on women overall due to this. You're still veering into framing the interest of black men/kids into women as "threatening" with that rhetoric along with saying Miles's crush as an "obsession". Miles wasn't even being creepy and clearly established some rapport at first. Plus that is one scene from every other interaction they have. Hyper-focusing on this and trying to make it "problematic" is ridiculous as at worst it is cringe and awkward. I have never heard before today ANYONE thinking how Miles act is somehow 'creepy'

Also I notice your lack of addressing your other part of saying Aaron "didn't instill great values in Miles with women as he only has his mom and gwen" with regards to the existence of Peni and Margo and ALSO the fact the movies don't dwell into people's social lives in general.

 go Phoenix

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-else-just-done.1031175/page-4#post-131399316

User banned (permanent): inflammatory commentary

I posted here like 8 months ago that trump will win and the country will deserve the consequences and I got banned for it lol. Well here we are now.

[Uncle]

He is facing one of the toughest and weirdest bosses on ERA. All help is appreciated.

you reminded me

remember when era and democrats seized on "weird" as some kind of masterstroke meme magic that would destroy republicans and Vance in particular? 

[garamonde]

If Miles was a woman this would all be fine for our little Princess.

PhoenixAKG

You really shouldn't have replied........

An awkward crush is not an obsession.......not even close to it. And not to mention with the whole "Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool." It's a shoulder touch. It's done all the time in media. At most it's awkward and crigne. You're framing this as some of "threatening" act and implyin Aaron has problematic views on women overall due to this. You're still veering into framing the interest of black men/kids into women as "threatening" with that rhetoric along with saying Miles's crush as an "obsession". Miles wasn't even being creepy and clearly established some rapport at first. Plus that is one scene from every other interaction they have. Hyper-focusing on this and trying to make it "problematic" is ridiculous as at worst it is cringe and awkward. I have never heard before today ANYONE thinking how Miles act is somehow 'creepy'

Also I notice your lack of addressing your other part of saying Aaron "didn't instill great values in Miles with women as he only has his mom and gwen" with regards to the existence of Peni and Margo and ALSO the fact the movies don't dwell into people's social lives in general.

 go Phoenix

She unironically did the 'exagerated swagger' meme:



Can't make this shit up. 

[Jonsey]

Nah

It's cuz the majority of Americans are literally retarded

Probably

Trump is gonna be in office again, no probably to it

With the power of retard anything is possible

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-beyond-the-spider-verse-will-put-miles-and-gwen-together.1030578/page-2#post-131408118

Would be cool if they hook up and the movie ends with them having a baby.

But Gwen is trans?

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-beyond-the-spider-verse-will-put-miles-and-gwen-together.1030578/page-2#post-131408118

Would be cool if they hook up and the movie ends with them having a baby.

But Gwen is trans?

so is miles, he will be the one to get pregnant

[Boredfrom]

He is facing one of the toughest and weirdest bosses on ERA. All help is appreciated.

you reminded me

remember when era and democrats seized on "weird" as some kind of masterstroke meme magic that would destroy republicans and Vance in particular? 

Yeah, those weirdos of ERA have no chance against the weirdos Trump and Vance.

Fucking weirdos.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

PhoenixAKG is HamasEra and loves himself a lot of DBZ but the guy ain't wrong! 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

She unironically did the 'exagerated swagger' meme:



Can't make this shit up. 

Holy shit. 

[Boredfrom]

PhoenixAKG is HamasEra and loves himself a lot of DBZ but the guy ain't wrong! 

He is a weirdo, but a lot of people like DB stuff.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Also added in his edit.

Also I notice your lack of addressing your other part of saying Aaron "didn't instill great values in Miles with women as he only has his mom and gwen" with regards to the existence of Peni and Margo and ALSO the fact the movies don't dwell into people's social lives in general.

BTW this line"

"A medium of rebellion and expression outside of (white) laws."

trying WAY too hard to show 'allyship' especially given the above

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

PhoenixAKG is HamasEra and loves himself a lot of DBZ but the guy ain't wrong! 

He is a weirdo, but a lot of people like DB stuff.

Daima is a return to form that Super almost ruined. DBZ chads rise up.

[Boredfrom]

PhoenixAKG is HamasEra and loves himself a lot of DBZ but the guy ain't wrong! 

He is a weirdo, but a lot of people like DB stuff.

Daima is a return to form that Super almost ruined. DBZ chads rise up.

Nah, Super is better than DBZ.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pocketpair-give-details-on-the-nintendo-patent-infringement-lawsuit-patents-listed-nintendo-seeking-5m-yen-damages-block-of-release.1030653/page-10#post-131393526

This forum is the best.

Nintendo (the wealthiest and most profitable megacorp in all of Japan) can be as heinously money-minded and artistically destructive as they like, and you'll still see the same gaggle of resident nintenbros come rolling in to give us the ole "Well actually, it's all very nuanced and complicated."

Most people who post ideological propaganda online get paid, but these folks do it for free! Capitalism is a hell of a drug.

Posted?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

He is a weirdo, but a lot of people like DB stuff.

Daima is a return to form that Super almost ruined. DBZ chads rise up.

Nah, Super is better than DBZ.

Only for the Frieza and Goku teamup.  

[DocWager]

Fine, I'll elaborate but if you see no room for nuance then this will be a lengthy exercise in futility.

Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool. His masculine bravado is outdated at best. Yes, it's played for laughs and obviously that was a good choice so as to not play into harmful/racist stereotypes. While also showing that it's not a good thing to do. The creative team does a similar thing in Across by having Gwen react fondly/positively to Miles' journal of obsession. I can better frame my point by saying Miles is an awkward teenager who does things that are genuinely creepy in real life. I say that with some ounce of authority, because I'm a trans woman and once was a "teenage boy" with creepy, awkward crushes/obsessions. Am I projecting onto Miles? Absolutely! It comes from my own personal lived experience. It's from a place of empathy that I cringe at some of Miles' actions while also loving him as a character.

I am not a fan of Aaron's portrayal in Spider-Verse, there isn't a lot of nuance to his character like there is in the Insomniac games. He's the cool uncle that encourages Miles' creative spirit which goes outside what is "lawful." That part is fine, great even, as it ties into being a vigilante which all Spider-People are (generally speaking). But (in the film) he's also kinda literally a villain that is willing to kill a kid until he realizes it's his own damn nephew. Mind you, I'm cognisant of the fact that he works for Kingpin. There may have been an attempt at commentary there but it goes nowhere as he almost immediately dies so as to be this Miles' equivalent of Uncle Ben. Uncle Aaron evoking Uncle Ben is deliberate in that it's a shorthand to show he instilled some wisdom into Miles. Which is muddied in the execution of the movie but is reinforced by Miles still loving his uncle and paying tribute to him through graffiti. A medium of rebellion and expression outside of (white) laws. They had elements of something great there but fell short.

My intent was to convey that Aaron didn't have good wisdom to give Miles in regards to approaching girls/women. How I expressed and worded that in my original post is not okay, and I again apologize for that.

Yes, this can boil down to me not liking Miles/Gwen for personal reasons and it does to a degree. It can simultaneously be true that I genuinely feel they are better as friends as of Beyond. As I said in another post, I can be sold on them as a romantic pairing. It's plenty possible that Beyond will be able to do that after we see the rest of Miles' arc and how Gwen's ties into it. Especially after she betrayed Miles and was not a good ally to him.

I do not view Miles as a "threat" to Gwen, and I apologize for using rhetoric that, intentionally or not, plays into racist notions. I also realize the importance of Black boys/men getting together romantically with white girls/women in mainstream media, especially when it's aimed at children. "Children's animation" is a very important medium for conveying good and progressive messages/representation to children, as well as adults. Especially for minorities. My personal feelings on the pairing should not take away from that, but I realize they can and probably do.

I could not convey what I wanted to in a concise manner, so here's my verbose thoughts. Warts and all.

If Miles was a woman this would all be fine for our little Princess.

PhoenixAKG

You really shouldn't have replied........

An awkward crush is not an obsession.......not even close to it. And not to mention with the whole "Touching someone and invading their personal space, without any hint of permission, in order to hit on them is not cool. Aaron teaching Miles that is not cool." It's a shoulder touch. It's done all the time in media. At most it's awkward and crigne. You're framing this as some of "threatening" act and implyin Aaron has problematic views on women overall due to this. You're still veering into framing the interest of black men/kids into women as "threatening" with that rhetoric along with saying Miles's crush as an "obsession". Miles wasn't even being creepy and clearly established some rapport at first. Plus that is one scene from every other interaction they have. Hyper-focusing on this and trying to make it "problematic" is ridiculous as at worst it is cringe and awkward. I have never heard before today ANYONE thinking how Miles act is somehow 'creepy'

Also I notice your lack of addressing your other part of saying Aaron "didn't instill great values in Miles with women as he only has his mom and gwen" with regards to the existence of Peni and Margo and ALSO the fact the movies don't dwell into people's social lives in general.

The OP will be banned for “Male Fragility”. Somebody should legitimately point out the mods fragility.

[Boredfrom]

OG Dragon Ball forever (just ignore the perv jokes  )

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I hope they do. In my experience the people who don't want them are either racist or want Gwen to be sapphic so badly that they dive headfirst into racist terminology to justify why they "dislike" the idea of Gwen and Miles being together, despite that relationship meaning something to marginalized people just as much as a sapphic one would.

One and done. Internet shippers who self-insert/are parasocially attached to characters loathe the characters in question getting with a black character

 HOLY SHIT 

[Jansen]

I hope they do. In my experience the people who don't want them are either racist or want Gwen to be sapphic so badly that they dive headfirst into racist terminology to justify why they "dislike" the idea of Gwen and Miles being together, despite that relationship meaning something to marginalized people just as much as a sapphic one would.

One and done. Internet shippers who self-insert/are parasocially attached to characters loathe the characters in question getting with a black character

 HOLY SHIT 

Finally some pushback on these freaks 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

OG Dragon Ball forever (just ignore the perv jokes  )

Edit: Top page Chichi 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

[HaughtyFrank]

I hope they do. In my experience the people who don't want them are either racist or want Gwen to be sapphic so badly that they dive headfirst into racist terminology to justify why they "dislike" the idea of Gwen and Miles being together, despite that relationship meaning something to marginalized people just as much as a sapphic one would.

One and done. Internet shippers who self-insert/are parasocially attached to characters loathe the characters in question getting with a black character

 HOLY SHIT 

Finally some pushback on these freaks 

It's only okay because he can play the race card. If this was about Peter getting with Gwen he'd get his ass booted

[garamonde]

He is a weirdo, but a lot of people like DB stuff.

Daima is a return to form that Super almost ruined. DBZ chads rise up.

Nah, Super is better than DBZ.