Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[benji]

If you bring me some people who believe the literal story of Creation and argues everyone should live by it, I will make Islamophobic comments about them too.

[Polident]

It’s difficult to separate the modern wave coinciding with rhetoric about straight white men being innately evil. If Dolezalism was acceptable, at least we’d get some variety.

[benji]

I also don't think you should respect people who choose to believe something they know is false. That seems like an odd reason to respect someone.

[Besticus Maximus]

I also don't think you should respect people who choose to believe something they know is false. That seems like an odd reason to respect someone.

Kinda boils my piss overall that the internet decided, somewhere around the fall of Tumblr, that actually entertaining spiritual woo woo and religious claims made you a 'good person'.

[benji]

You wouldn't say you respect a bulimic or anorexic for working towards their perceived ideal weight. Yet again this is another instance we're supposed to treat the disordered thinking as if it's a goal to be achieved.

[Besticus Maximus]

You wouldn't say you respect a bulimic or anorexic for working towards their perceived ideal weight. Yet again this is another instance we're supposed to treat the disordered thinking as if it's a goal to be achieved.

Another good example of communities that perpetuate self harm, operate through occluded networks and instigate consequences for those who join and leave.

[Polident]

I also don't think you should respect people who choose to believe something they know is false. That seems like an odd reason to respect someone.

Kinda boils my piss overall that the internet decided, somewhere around the fall of Tumblr, that actually entertaining spiritual woo woo and religious claims made you a 'good person'.

Actually want blue sky to be successful enough to quarantine the tumblr freaks. Talking coincidences, it’s easy to point to tumblr’s death as ruining Twitter and general online discourse.

[benji]

The irony of these non1curr talks, of course, is that most would also be disgusted at my belief that people should unalive themselves if they want to.

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Just make sure you remember that there's no refunds.

[Snoopy]

I would very much like citizenship Italy....my maternal great great grandparents came on a boat & had to do share cropping, like my mom said slavery, but I'm pretty certain it was sharecropping. Like i'd feel like that entitles me to some citizenship...

 

Nep you need to get in on this. There might be a free African palace in it

[benji]

If you've seen the large organized Chinese online campaign to vote, this result comes as no surprise.

If wukong wasn't nominated they wouldn't have participated at all.

So anything with a fan vote is completely meaningless as long as Wukong is involved because the vote's just gonna get brigaded by China. Noted.

Yeah, because letting white people make the decisions worked out so well a couple weeks ago.

(Thanks Sept.)

Ah. Era.
Never change.

Reading between the lines its just "Fuck Chinese. Didnt vote for Astrobot or Rebirth! How dare they."

Why Asian ERA is all crickets now lol. Just waiting for the internment camps at this point.

Like the ones in Xinjiang?

[BananaBlast]

I also don't think you should respect people who choose to believe something they know is false. That seems like an odd reason to respect someone.

I mentioned people who literally understand and acknowledge they're living under a false delusion, but feel it's the best way to pacify their disorder. Medication didn't work for them, or caused unpleasant side effects. 

There are different levels of respect, and some minimum level of respect should always be afforded to halfway decent human beings. And I think there's much respect that can be given to someone living with a serious disorder that makes them think they're the opposite gender. They are honest victims of something largely out of their control.

You wouldn't say you respect a bulimic or anorexic for working towards their perceived ideal weight. Yet again this is another instance we're supposed to treat the disordered thinking as if it's a goal to be achieved.

No, but a person with bulimia who realizes they have a serious problem and aren't trying to normalize/glamorize it is a respectable affair. Especially if they're desperate for help, and would stop it immediately if they find effective help. Also being bulimic/anorexic is far more physically dangerous than being trans is, especially if the trans person doesn't even get any irreversible surgery.

[Potato]

AOC is such a slimy rat. 

Bitch, we know you don’t care about transgender people…

I'm torn on AOC. Some of the stuff she says and supports I agree with and some of the other stuff I really, really disagree with her on. But fuck me is she hot and I love her voice. I'm not a simp.

she has an ugly horse mouth, but more importantly, she has the eyes of an unhinged crazy person, like someone raised in the jungle by wolves or something

What if that's my fetish?

[benji]

Why aren't the staff in that thread handing out actionings for Sinophobic Rhetoric for suggesting that people from China swarm online polls for Chinese things? No wonder all Asian people fled in droves. 

[benji]

And I think there's much respect that can be given to someone living with a serious disorder ... They are honest victims of something largely out of their control.
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No, but a person with bulimia who realizes they have a serious problem and aren't trying to normalize/glamorize it is a respectable affair. Especially if they're desperate for help, and would stop it immediately if they find effective help.

But you would not respect the hell out of a bulimic who says nothing helps them reach their ideal weight like bulimia and is desperate for help in doing bulimia more effectively.

Which was the point of the comparison. You're seeking a reason one should be considered respectable and the other not, without ever wanting to articulate why they're different in a way that makes one respectable and the other harmful. It's just blind assertion that one somehow is inherently good (despite being false and harmful) and therefore should be treated differently from all like cases.

Which is itself the crux of at least my objection. I won't deign to speak for others.

edit: I think this is also confusing disrespect of the condition for disrespect of the person who unfortunately has it, this is again one of the mistakes and objections I have to make towards the entire framework this ongoing discussion in society is held under. It's like saying because someone has cancer that cancer is an essential component of them and targeting the cancer for elimination is disrespecting the person and calling for their extermination for being a moral failure. That might be how some pathologize things because of a need to find binary moral components in everything, but that doesn't mean we should harm people to avoid this discomfort that certain people hold with separating the two.

It is absolutely fine to tell people they are thinking wrong, this is actually respecting them as a human being rather than believing them impossible at getting better. Then constructing elaborate fictions about the essential nature of their disorder to their existence.

[Potato]

True, but what if the best way to fight it is to become trans?

They're not women in the same way that people who claim to be Napoleon are not actually Napoleon.

If someone thinks they're a dog, feels like a dog, acts like a dog and barks like a dog, we don't say they're actually a dog and always have been a dog and anyone who says they're not a dog is lying and should be excommunicated from society. 

We send that person to a mental hospital to treat the mental illness that makes them think they're a dog. 

Fuck this delusional bullshit.

[Besticus Maximus]

True, but what if the best way to fight it is to become trans?

They're not women in the same way that people who claim to be Napoleon are not actually Napoleon.

If someone thinks they're a dog, feels like a dog, acts like a dog and barks like a dog, we don't say they're actually a dog and always have been a dog and anyone who says they're not a dog is lying and should be excommunicated from society. 

We send that person to a mental hospital to treat the mental illness that makes them think they're a dog. 

Fuck this delusional bullshit.

We're literally five minutes past thousands of years of people being bullied and coerced by nonsense metaphysics. Or at least Europe was. The americans and their silly attachment to judeo-christian fundamentalism has just warped into this new ethics, which operates under the same principles. You can make good comparisons to the discussions happening between Lutherans and Anabaptists and Catholics and Calvanists during the reformation.

This is probably why they're so keen on supporting Islam. It's the same battle, forcing the world of unbelievers to adopt a religious ideology and getting upset when people don't pander, and making 'respecting' it a matter of extreme unction.

The biggest criminals are the hypocrites, unbelievers, pagans and idoltars.

[benji]

One of the problems with the trans movement is how it's being pushed through a bisected dishonest framework that's attempting to leverage good faith concerns that are at odds with one another.

In one breath they attempt to treat it as a mental illness, which means it's disordered thinking that needs to be stopped. People should receive praise for overcoming it and becoming happy with their correct sex.

Then because this is objectionable, the goal is to transition after all, it's treated more like a sexual orientation, which means it should be ignored at best or encouraged at worst. The only success stories have to be those who devote their lives to nothing but this.

But since this only activates a moral component of leaving it alone, it must be returned to being an illness and thus requires medical intervention, at the cost of everyone else. Successfully making it a duty for everyone else to affirm what is acknowledged as false, but must not be openly acknowledged as false because it ruins the illusion of the supposed sufferer.

You can't use the language for these across each other, but it's demanded of us all and so people do it without realizing the malicious effects. If it's like LGB, then you can "respect the hell out of them" for living their "truth" or you can just not give a shit because it's not harming themselves or anyone else. If it's a mental illness, one that requires lifelong medical intervention, then this is absolutely horrifying what you're doing to the person and beyond immoral. (Either that or inversely you're accused of wanting to bring back homosexuality as a mental illness that similarly needs to be cured.) Which leads to this idea that there's "good ones" that we need to issue statements about lest we seem too callous because the movement has imported a moral component to what should not have one at all.

This will trickle into other areas and we can already witness it with people collecting mental illnesses as badges of pretending to have a personality. Mental illnesses are wrong to have and we should not be afraid of saying that, it's on you if you think that's saying people who have them are bad people purely because they have something wrong with them.

[Besticus Maximus]

Perhaps the underlying thing is...people are complex? Maybe sexuality is actually on a scale and pinning labels on it is futile because these things are not fixed and they shift in flux? Maybe clothes are just clothes and gender stereotypes are just heuristics we use as shortcuts because we're ultimately just dumb monkeys eating and trying to procreate in a fractal complex universe?

Or maybe the martyrs are our saints and we must venerate them and give alms to the monastics who suffer on our behalf for our sins, and that is the mutual aid aspect of giving melody money for gundams and steamdecks.

[benji]

The answer to mental illness is to fight the disordered thinking, not treat it as a vision of an underlying reality.

I mean, people should do what they want, but I'm not going to call it a "good" reason just like I wouldn't say it's a "good" reason for an alcoholic to keep drinking because it's easier than fighting their addiction.

Though I would say I consider highly unethical for doctors to encourage their patients to embrace disordered thinking. As well as concoct rituals to perform to purportedly appease it.

It can't be the best way to fight it because it will only emphasize the difference between the false belief and reality. Hence why it becomes this endless ratchet of increasing devotion to the lie and increasing demands on others to believe it at all times lest the deliberate illusion be broken.

Perhaps there are individuals who benefit from a personal devotion to ritual, it's plausible as seen in other religions, but the presumption cannot be that this is not just necessary but the best method. This is dubious as shown by the fact that it's not done for anything else. There has to be an explanation for why this case of disordered thinking should be so different from all others. Only in that case can we even begin to approach a "good reason" for it that departs from all other practice.

I much prefer people doing just because they want to do it than taking an ax to the entire paradigm of mental health to try and justify a single nutty belief some people hold. Just have a fetish or believe a religion, whichever it is, don't try to justify it by harming everyone else. It's trying to protect it from criticism in the language of mental health that takes it from "just leave people alone" to something that needs to be fiercely criticized.

But you would not respect the hell out of a bulimic who says nothing helps them reach their ideal weight like bulimia and is desperate for help in doing bulimia more effectively.

Which was the point of the comparison. You're seeking a reason one should be considered respectable and the other not, without ever wanting to articulate why they're different in a way that makes one respectable and the other harmful. It's just blind assertion that one somehow is inherently good (despite being false and harmful) and therefore should be treated differently from all like cases.

Which is itself the crux of at least my objection. I won't deign to speak for others.

edit: I think this is also confusing disrespect of the condition for disrespect of the person who unfortunately has it, this is again one of the mistakes and objections I have to make towards the entire framework this ongoing discussion in society is held under. It's like saying because someone has cancer that cancer is an essential component of them and targeting the cancer for elimination is disrespecting the person and calling for their extermination for being a moral failure. That might be how some pathologize things because of a need to find binary moral components in everything, but that doesn't mean we should harm people to avoid this discomfort that certain people hold with separating the two.

It is absolutely fine to tell people they are thinking wrong, this is actually respecting them as a human being rather than believing them impossible at getting better. Then constructing elaborate fictions about the essential nature of their disorder to their existence.

One of the problems with the trans movement is how it's being pushed through a bisected dishonest framework that's attempting to leverage good faith concerns that are at odds with one another.

In one breath they attempt to treat it as a mental illness, which means it's disordered thinking that needs to be stopped. People should receive praise for overcoming it and becoming happy with their correct sex.

Then because this is objectionable, the goal is to transition after all, it's treated more like a sexual orientation, which means it should be ignored at best or encouraged at worst. The only success stories have to be those who devote their lives to nothing but this.

But since this only activates a moral component of leaving it alone, it must be returned to being an illness and thus requires medical intervention, at the cost of everyone else. Successfully making it a duty for everyone else to affirm what is acknowledged as false, but must not be openly acknowledged as false because it ruins the illusion of the supposed sufferer.

You can't use the language for these across each other, but it's demanded of us all and so people do it without realizing the malicious effects. If it's like LGB, then you can "respect the hell out of them" for living their "truth" or you can just not give a shit because it's not harming themselves or anyone else. If it's a mental illness, one that requires lifelong medical intervention, then this is absolutely horrifying what you're doing to the person and beyond immoral. (Either that or inversely you're accused of wanting to bring back homosexuality as a mental illness that similarly needs to be cured.) Which leads to this idea that there's "good ones" that we need to issue statements about lest we seem too callous because the movement has imported a moral component to what should not have one at all.

This will trickle into other areas and we can already witness it with people collecting mental illnesses as badges of pretending to have a personality. Mental illnesses are wrong to have and we should not be afraid of saying that, it's on you if you think that's saying people who have them are bad people purely because they have something wrong with them.

And that's why She-Hulk is actually the finest of the MCU works.

[DavidCroquet]

If AOC wants my vote she should think about the lack of wholesome wlw content in our world.

Look at how they look at each other. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar are in a wlw sapphic relationship. 



They need to admit it to the public so we can have our wholesome future first Madam President and the the first ever Muslim First Lady.

You’re getting them confused for thr OTHER wlw: women (of color) love white (men)

[Besticus Maximus]

Listen chuds, the host is literally the transfigured body of Jesus christ (who is is his own dad and ghost) 

How fucking dare you genocide us by saying it's bread? 

[Daffy Duck]

[tweet]
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1859746721804452114?s=46
[/tweet]

Uh oh Joanne is on it again

[clockwork5]

The trans movement lost the moment they decided it was a good idea to spam social media with their concern that not enough children were destroying their lives with puberty blockers, hormone therapy and sex reassignment procedures.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

i wonder if jk is trans

[Ethan]

i wonder if jk is trans

She obviously is. Why else would she be so obsessed?

[EaldNarche]

The trans movement lost the moment they decided it was a good idea to spam social media with their concern that not enough children were destroying their lives with puberty blockers, hormone therapy and sex reassignment procedures.

Yea, I think that's why things have become so ugly. Years ago, it was understood that some people were transgender and for whatever reason (mental, physical, who knows) they wanted to present as the opposite sex because they found it more comfortable or fulfilling. They weren't demanding people believe that were biologically the sex they wanted to present as or dictating that kids be educated on the concept, they just wanted to live their lives without being harassed. Of course, that isn't to say there wasn't stigma attached to being trans, but it was gradually getting better over time as people became more understanding just from exposure. Now all this bathroom stuff and transing the kids has set the movement back. Who knows how long it'll take for things to normalize now. 

Like, 10 years ago, I don't think anyone even cared if someone who noticeably passed as a woman used the ladies room. As soon as the trans lobby started saying "We're owed access to every single female space because of how we identify and if you try to stop us you're a bigot!!", it scared the hoes and now terfs want genital inspections before anyone can squat down to take a dump. They played themselves. 

[Straight Edge]

https://blabbermouth.net/news/life-of-agonys-mina-caputo-says-she-has-cured-her-gender-dysphoria-and-will-be-changing-her-name-back-to-keith-caputo

Can't wait for the Era thread. 

I've done years of trauma work, plant medicine therapy, which the world isn't ready for that conversation.

Plant medicine therapy?  Is that just code for smoking a lot of weed?

River Runs Red is a hard as fuck album. Caputo has clearly been battling demons all their life.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps5-version-of-wuthering-waves-is-coming-out-on-january-2-2025.1042536/

Expect some salt from that topic with the character designs.

I still haven't tried any of the HoYoverse games. For those who have played the games, should I tackle Genshin, Honkai or Zenless first? I'm hoping all can be played solo as well.

I'm just surprised they made a game based on that Emily Bronte novel. It must be big in China? None of these characters look familiar though.   Is that girl supposed to be Catherine?

Would sincerely play a Wuthering Heights game. Too bad Daedalic Entertainment devs died on the cross of Gollum. They did an excellent job with The Pillars of the Earth...in another universe I'm sure they carved out a killer niche translating stodgy english lit into decent game experiences.

[Besticus Maximus]

Heart of Darkness, but it's Xcom 

[Bootsthecat]

https://blabbermouth.net/news/life-of-agonys-mina-caputo-says-she-has-cured-her-gender-dysphoria-and-will-be-changing-her-name-back-to-keith-caputo

Can't wait for the Era thread. 

I've done years of trauma work, plant medicine therapy, which the world isn't ready for that conversation.

Plant medicine therapy?  Is that just code for smoking a lot of weed?

River Runs Red is a hard as fuck album. Caputo has clearly been battling demons all their life.

Great fucking album, great voice