Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/

[Kyon1988]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/several-times-i%E2%80%99ve-tried-talking-to-my-parents-about-being-trans-and-it-hasn%E2%80%99t-gone-well.1044015/#post-132071316

My parents have rejected me entirely since I came out as trans 5 years ago, when I move out of the state hopefully in a few months I'm cutting them out of my life.

Isn't this person living in their parents house? I get family connections can be complicated but this idiot should be more grateful to at least have parents that don't mind someone living in their house for free. 

People like Melody are really frustrating

[benji]

Nep

MLK obviously voted really hard for civil rights and now we're in a post-racial utopia.

I mean, part of MLK's whole push was voting rights since, you know, Black people effectively didn't have them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

lori

"leftist" with a south park profile picture comes in to accuse the forum of being antisemetic for being nervous about potential issues re: protesting an apartheid state, as crackdowns are actively taking place and protestors against the genocide are being brutalized using that exact accusation

A college telling you to leave the public space you're camping in is not being brutalized.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-judge-people-who-have-teslas-now-after-the-election.1043844/page-6#post-132055410

But the statement does mean that literally.

And consumption is the best route to fighting anything in capitalism because it's where all the power is accrued, hence why you're obsessed with outlawing consumption.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservatives-whine-people-arent-nice-to-them-on-blue-sky.1043199/page-6

Except that last part is true. Hypothetically equalizing wealth will just lead to status based on other things. Especially so because "wealth" is not remotely tangible, the value of anything is only what it can be sold for. You're arguing that police should determine non-tangible things to be real and existent so that they can destroy it even though this would not equalize wealth unless the equalization was set to zero. What if the police accurately determine that Lucio cosmetics are more valuable than stock holdings, they'd be equalizing you into negative numbers while the rest of us all go down to just zero.

Also, this is a very incorrect usage of "means of production" unless you're deliberately intending on saying something contradictory. If data is means of production then it means that the means of production is not held by the capitalists, you have a monopoly on your data. "But but but Facebook owns my..." that you gave to them out of your own free will and that they have a minor amount of and that is aggregated with everyone else's because your personal data has no actual value to anyone else. In any case, this isn't means of production, it's just inputs. Land isn't means of production either, not in capitalism. Marx was squirrely about this because he knew it falsified his stages of history, but if we take what he says seriously then land is not means of production. Land is scarce, under any system, and the means of production under capitalism are supposed to have eliminated scarcity to prepare for communism.

Land matters in capitalism because property rights are attached to it. But it's entirely plausible that land could be disconnected from property rights without a major change to the capitalist system, this is the basis of the Georgian Single Land Tax. If you think just hypothetically, in theory land could mean only the land, nothing built on it, nothing under it, etc. This could still entail rents but the value of the land would drop, you can see this in the real world with abandoned buildings, the cost of destroying the building lowers the value of the land versus if the land were vacant. This is not to say that establishing a land monopoly would not change the distribution of things, it would like all monopolies, merely that it could, in theory, be administered in such a way that makes little change to capitalism. A land monopoly that sold access to the highest bidder for example would be little different from our current system in practice.

All of that said, Marx had to abandon land as means of production because that was the means of production of feudalism. His entire theory hinges on changes to the means of production.

edit: Oh, I forgot I was going to mention that computers/servers might not be means of production either. Marx didn't really understand capital so the idea of these as capital and not merely tools would depend on if Marx understood the industry or not. They might be commodities, you can literally buy this stuff off the shelf and nowdays you can buy "servers" that don't physically exist after all. (And cease existing after the task completes!)

[Snoopy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/several-times-i%E2%80%99ve-tried-talking-to-my-parents-about-being-trans-and-it-hasn%E2%80%99t-gone-well.1044015/#post-132071316

My parents have rejected me entirely since I came out as trans 5 years ago, when I move out of the state hopefully in a few months I'm cutting them out of my life.

Isn't this person living in their parents house? I get family connections can be complicated but this idiot should be more grateful to at least have parents that don't mind someone living in their house for free. 

People like Melody are really frustrating

What? Her parents have literally built a trans petting zoo right outside her bedroom. They charge people 5 bucks to gawk at her playing with her toys. It's horrifying.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/several-times-i%E2%80%99ve-tried-talking-to-my-parents-about-being-trans-and-it-hasn%E2%80%99t-gone-well.1044015/#post-132071316

My parents have rejected me entirely since I came out as trans 5 years ago, when I move out of the state hopefully in a few months I'm cutting them out of my life.

Isn't this person living in their parents house? I get family connections can be complicated but this idiot should be more grateful to at least have parents that don't mind someone living in their house for free. 

People like Melody are really frustrating

Melody is living at his parents house because he quit his job* and stopped paying rent at his apartment and is currently avoiding a Debtor's Exam requested by the landlord as part of attempting to collect nearly $2000 in back rent.

*despite having thousands in credit card debt

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/

If criticism of the racist art you put out in the world is "but it's raising money for charity," you're not actually engaging with the critique. That in turn raises doubts about your ability to actually engage with the fundamental structures underpinning widespread hunger in Africa.

Like, why the fuck do you think Africa is so economically underdeveloped, Bob?

Yeah, why don't you fix Africas economy, Bob?

I don't know how well known the 'band aid' brand is over in Ireland and the UK, but it remains an ironically fitting name for this whole stupid endeavor.

Cool, so raising millions in charity is just a stupid endeavor.

[benji]

Geldof should have done nothing rather than try to alleviate any suffering.

[Snoopy]

[benji]

If criticism of the racist art you put out in the world is "but it's raising money for charity," you're not actually engaging with the critique. That in turn raises doubts about your ability to actually engage with the fundamental structures underpinning widespread hunger in Africa.

Like, why the fuck do you think Africa is so economically underdeveloped, Bob?

I think it's a time capsule emblematic of Western charity towards the turn of the century. That despite being a legitimate charity, at its core held a really patronizing and diminutive attitude towards the people they were helping. The "wow, what a shithole, have a couple bucks" type of charity that didn't bother itself too much with hiding its fundamental lack of respect.

It's the white man's burden type of racism.

Hell calling it "Band Aid" always felt weird to me. Cause that is what it is, a band aid on a grenade wound

That's not weird, it's logically consistent lol.

The worst thing is, they could have easily used this in the 80s too. "We know this won't fix the root of the problem, it's a bandaid. But sometimes a short term fix can help people." or something like that.

I don't think you get white people on board with something if you're openly admitting that an action isn't going to fix the problem because the primary emotion motivating these kinds of endeavors is saviorism. People want to feel like they "made a difference." This goes doubly so if you're hinting at the fact that the issues in Africa are structural, because that inevitably turns a lens back onto the Western lifestyle, and most people aren't willing to give up their leeching ways to help a people that they, deep down, fundamentally view as little more than capital to bolster said leeching ways.

She seems to literally believe that African poverty is caused by Westerners... uh... sending too much aid? I'm not sure she even knows what she's trying to say is the problem here.

Also, if Westerners are all racists (see: all her other posts) then viewing Africans as merely capital is a good thing because they will invest in Africa more than they will be racist.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Always fun when Era terminally online trans people meet an actual normie trans individual and can't handle it.  

[Kyon1988]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/

If criticism of the racist art you put out in the world is "but it's raising money for charity," you're not actually engaging with the critique. That in turn raises doubts about your ability to actually engage with the fundamental structures underpinning widespread hunger in Africa.

Like, why the fuck do you think Africa is so economically underdeveloped, Bob?

Yeah, why don't you fix Africas economy, Bob?

I don't know how well known the 'band aid' brand is over in Ireland and the UK, but it remains an ironically fitting name for this whole stupid endeavor.

Cool, so raising millions in charity is just a stupid endeavor.

The true answer why the African economy is so bad will probably get you banned on Era.

[benji]

Always fun when Era terminally online trans people meet an actual normie trans individual and can't handle it.  

I actually think this is more a case of a successful politician versus online donothings desperate to LARP as extreme radicals to other donothings.

McBride is apparently too smart to waste resources on an irrelevant symbolic fight. The online-only radical would rather treat every situation as zero sum and existential.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Lyrics of a 40-year-old song are out of touch.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Always fun when Era terminally online trans people meet an actual normie trans individual and can't handle it.  

I actually think this is more a case of a successful politician versus online donothings desperate to LARP as extreme radicals to other donothings.

McBride is apparently too smart to waste resources on an irrelevant symbolic fight. The online-only radical would rather treat every situation as zero sum and existential.

 You're right.

[books]

Freddie Mercury? That yt should shut it and listen to real trans folkx.

[benji]

For the online-only radical the only way to get someone to pay attention to them is for them to escalate everything to an existential threat. Otherwise you'll just ignore them. But when they're screaming at you how they're dying because you aren't an ally there's a few weak people who will knuckle under and they can have power over even if just briefly.

The real world politician can't do this in Congress or whatever because everyone will just tune them out. You don't have to theorize this you can look at anyone like Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders, who themselves aren't as radical as the online-only radical. You can look at non-radicals who are just fucking crazy people like Cynthia McKinney or Shelia Jackson-Lee, they get the same treatment.

Same as the real world person can't do this at their job unless they have institutional support, which is why they have to flock to places that let them wage jihad on other people talking about Harry Potter birthdays or places that are already institutionally captured like government or academia or a 501c3. (Or have the cops enact laws to mandate it.)

They pretend it doesn't, but this applies to Christians as well. How often are you running into radical evangelicals in the "real world" and the answer is never. You have to seek out their churches and 501c3's or places like Liberty University. This doesn't mean everyone freaks out at Jan from Accounting when she talks about God or prayers or asks people to donate to some thing, it means they just ignore her. Jan responds by keeping her bitching about the Godless heathens doing Satan's work at the car dealership to other audiences. That's a form of secular tolerance.

These people want to eliminate that and make every literal situation a battlefield for religious conflict again. But because it isn't Christianity you're supposed to treat it as somehow legitimate.

[Potato]

Has Era ever had any creepy or unexplained threads?

The fucking echo chamber these idiots live in.

Also, fuck Hamas Piker. They still praise him on that forum and all these cock sucking communist mongoloid fucks.

Of course fat4all post this and wouldn't be surprise if he does it irl

More importantly, he posted this: 

era just dont got the same vibes of Reddit or SA or 4chan or wherever

people arent shopping their creepypastas around these parts

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/#post-132088458

The song is tone deaf, but I've never gotten too mad at it because it was clearly done with good intentions.

It's also a pretty annoying song though.

[ClothedMac]

She seems to literally believe that African poverty is caused by Westerners... uh... sending too much aid? I'm not sure she even knows what she's trying to say is the problem here.

Also, if Westerners are all racists (see: all her other posts) then viewing Africans as merely capital is a good thing because they will invest in Africa more than they will be racist.

In addition to to cutting aid (so they are more motivated to work?) she also wants all US Military out of Africa.  Maybe ask the countries fighting Boko Haram if they want that first?  

Someone responding to Nepenthe

Yeah you're right. Hell even one of the last lines of the article I posted in the OP is: "I can guarantee your personal action here will result in a kid sleeping warmer, fed that night," he said.".

Doesn't exactly work if people start asking questions about tomorrow night or why the kid is there in the first place.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/#post-132087471

I think the kid would prefer to sleep warm that night than ask questions about tomorrow night.  But then the kid and continent of Africa might make the wrong choices if they are left to decide?  Our best bachelor and masters grads need to make these choices.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dragon-age-the-veilguard-ot-halamshiral.1021152/page-161#post-132083937

Crazy how we have yet *another* Bioware release where "fans" are harassing the devs in the most absurd ways.
https://bsky.app/profile/trickweekes.bsky.social/post/3lbprthkfcs2j
It's never gonna end, isn't it?

Sending a dev a youtube link, the chuds have found some truly obscene ways to harass folk.  And on bluesky no less!

Dunno man. Not really necessary to send the developer a link to a video which criticises them and their work. 

Maybe just watch the vid, jerk off furiously because some other wanker agreed with you and then move on with your life. No need to try to rub it in the dev's face.

[Potato]

Jesus. Fat Lord's taken a trip to fantasy Island -

Basically any "real life" anime from the 80s/90s.

Largely because I kinda already dress that way? There's a timelessness to that era of clothing because, whether you dressed in form-fitting or baggy clothes, there was a real emphasis on strong silhouettes and lines. This is what I look for when I clothing shop, and (maybe because it was easier to draw) it was really captured in the animation of the time.

Like for example, I am STILL actively searching for the gloves to recreate this blazer/glove combo, and when I find them? My coworkers better be prepared to be SICK. OF. ME.

Strong silhouettes and lines on his form fitting circus tent.

Imagine being an adult and using anime costumes as your fashion sense. 

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/

Sometimes I don't realise I'm on Resetera and start looking for the like button. This post was one of those times.

I am sure the kids who got to eat because of the song were really shocked by the lyrics and the stereotypes.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/several-times-i%E2%80%99ve-tried-talking-to-my-parents-about-being-trans-and-it-hasn%E2%80%99t-gone-well.1044015/#post-132071316

Isn't this person living in their parents house? I get family connections can be complicated but this idiot should be more grateful to at least have parents that don't mind someone living in their house for free. 

People like Melody are really frustrating

Melody is living at his parents house because he quit his job* and stopped paying rent at his apartment and is currently avoiding a Debtor's Exam requested by the landlord as part of attempting to collect nearly $2000 in back rent.

*despite having thousands in credit card debt

If there is any justice in the world, we will get an episode of Judge Judy featuring Melody Shreds.

[Ribosome]

Bold of you to think that the eliminationist regime of the Trumpenfuher would even grant a hecking trans woman the opportunity of a show trial.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Strange how they don't have an issue with homophobia in rap songs along with antisemitism and misogyny.



It's been over 5 years since Death Stranding launched. Doesn't feel like that much time has passed, it's freaky. 10/10 game to me, can't wait for the sequel. RIP Low Roar as well, amazing music.

[Boredfrom]

Seriously either they hired consultants or they actually listened and learned.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/metaphor-refantazio-ot-stop-the-count.1003194/page-167#post-132087114

For a forum that hates the “lazy dev” rhetoric they have low opinion of some game devs. 

“Dev got better telling stories… it must be because a consultant company like Sweet Baby.”

[benji]

Someone responding to Nepenthe

Yeah you're right. Hell even one of the last lines of the article I posted in the OP is: "I can guarantee your personal action here will result in a kid sleeping warmer, fed that night," he said.".

Doesn't exactly work if people start asking questions about tomorrow night or why the kid is there in the first place.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-geldof-defends-do-they-know-its-christmas-single-amid-criticism-this-little-pop-song-has-kept-millions-of-people-alive.1044219/#post-132087471

Well, see, when two starving Africans love each other very much...

Seriously either they hired consultants or they actually listened and learned.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/metaphor-refantazio-ot-stop-the-count.1003194/page-167#post-132087114

For a forum that hates the “lazy dev” rhetoric they have low opinion of some game devs. 

“Dev got better telling stories… it must be because a consultant company like Sweet Baby.”

Pretty sure they told me nobody listens to those expensive consultants.

[Kyon1988]

Strange how they don't have an issue with homophobia in rap songs along with antisemitism and misogyny.



It's been over 5 years since Death Stranding launched. Doesn't feel like that much time has passed, it's freaky. 10/10 game to me, can't wait for the sequel. RIP Low Roar as well, amazing music.

Depends on the rapper. Eminem discussions never end well

[imsotired]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dragon-age-the-veilguard-ot-halamshiral.1021152/page-161#post-132083937

Crazy how we have yet *another* Bioware release where "fans" are harassing the devs in the most absurd ways.
https://bsky.app/profile/trickweekes.bsky.social/post/3lbprthkfcs2j
It's never gonna end, isn't it?

Sending a dev a youtube link, the chuds have found some truly obscene ways to harass folk.  And on bluesky no less!

Dunno man. Not really necessary to send the developer a link to a video which criticises them and their work. 

Maybe just watch the vid, jerk off furiously because some other wanker agreed with you and then move on with your life. No need to try to rub it in the dev's face.

I agree, but of all the shit public figures see on social media that's like the least worrisome thing to claim harassment about.

[Uncle]

modern internet being awash in this sentiment:



there's a fine line between "lol lol relatable" and "grow the fuck up"

like you can see every era person saying "oho that's me, same" while also screaming for violent revolution (which they won't take part in because they are infants who need their cookies and juice)