(12-06-2024, 06:21 AM)Potato wrote: (12-06-2024, 12:41 AM)Boredfrom wrote: Benji wrote:Murder is wrong.
I mean, I’m not celebrating. Is just weird that we need to pretend he was probably just a secret cool guy that was just doing his job and benefiting for all his years of effort and work… like come on.
Maybe the dude was a cool dude deep down, maybe he couldn’t do nothing to change the system, maybe America Health System is not a total cesspool just because how he managed that company.
I just don’t feel bad for this particular person given his job.
No one is obliged to feel bad, just expected not to celebrate his murder.
Again, I didn’t expect a celebration just weird me out the reaction outside of how gross ERA is about this.
benita expressed his displeasure at the transphobia here, others have expressed their displeasure at pro-Israeli posts here, I'm expressing my displeasure at people here excusing the murder of innocents. Y'all folx will survive my thinking you're not better than they are.
(12-06-2024, 07:17 AM)benji wrote: Y'all folx will survive my thinking you're not better than they are.
THIS IS LITERAL VIOLENCE, CHUD!!!!!
YOU'RE MAKING ME WANT TO GO AND HAVE A LITTLE LIE DOWN.
https://famiboards.com/threads/nintendo-switch-2-speculation-thread-st-this-is-furukawa-president-of-nintendo.7757/post-1446965
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/photos-showing-face-of-man-sought-in-killing-of-insurance-c-e-o-focus-manhunt.1052907/page-7#post-132526479
edcorp76, post: 132525093, member: 186258 wrote:Regardless of your opinion of the victim, the idea that a cold blooded killer should walk is genuinely insane.
Nepenthe, post: 132526479, member: 1995 wrote:You were okay with the CEO murdering people though.
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OrangeNova, post: 132507966, member: 27128 wrote:Weird to close the united healthcare thread when pretty much the entire internet is on the same page about it?
There were threads in the past about certain people dying that people had cheered on for their deaths that weren't locked and it seemed the mod/admin sentiment was in step with that direction of the forum... Was there a policy change at any point about how that should be handled? Because really it seems like a fairly abrupt shift for what was previously posted.
(obviously there was the rule in the thread to be chill about it, but even that was different than previous)
B-Dubs, post: 132508224, member: 143 wrote:For what I assume should be fairly obvious reasons, we can't be having people go off about how there should be more assassinations or murders like this. You don't have to be sad the guy is dead, but come on.
If some new news pops up, feel free to make a new thread.
AMAGON, post: 132510741, member: 2392 wrote:But its okay to cheer on the death of those that died?
Genuine question here as I seen it from time to time again with this vitriol and its not a rule or policy about it, that is written that I can find.
VinceK, post: 132515817, member: 350 wrote:I personally thought it would had been clear as day to people that you can't go off saying there should be more assassinations and murders in a public facing forum that anyone can see. Because something like that could actually land the forum in hot water with law enforcement in places.
AliceAmber (Admin), post: 132518469, member: 42858 wrote:^^^^ yep
We just have to be careful, folks.
Guppeth, post: 132518538, member: 2558 wrote:
AliceAmber (Admin), post: 132518730, member: 42858 wrote:Exactly
Coyote Starrk, post: 132524085, member: 27661 wrote:Being okay with someone dying or even grave dancing (when appropriate obviously) is not the same as saying more people should be killed or hunted down.
It's a pretty distinct line in the sand that Mods have drawn.
davepoobond, post: 132524196, member: 2858 wrote:yeah, like, who are they telling to go out and do more of that? other resetera users? like, idk wtf the end goal is. its ridiculous.
i dont even like looking at the grave dancing threads usually because of this
Coyote Starrk, post: 132524250, member: 27661 wrote:Eh it depends on who it is for me.
If Trump or some other goon got hit by a meteor I wouldn't blame anyone for relishing in that thread.
Gee B-Cunts, with that admin team it’s a real mystery why you can’t keep your user base from advocating for shotgunning people to death
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Trans Rights are Human Rights
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
All Cops are Bastards, All Zionists are Killers
I think that covers all the Bire's hottest topics.
Why can Nep post "You were okay with the CEO murdering people though." and cheerlead the death of the CEO but other posters can't?
(12-06-2024, 07:17 AM)benji wrote: benita expressed his displeasure at the transphobia here, others have expressed their displeasure at pro-Israeli posts here, I'm expressing my displeasure at people here excusing the murder of innocents. Y'all folx will survive my thinking you're not better than they are.
I'm glad this board protects and respects the executives. Brian was a great guy who created a lot of shareholder value, employed many people, saved lives and ran a very succesful company. Every business owner and executive know the sacrifices he made each and every day so others without his genius could collect their paycheck.
Think I watched Batman Forever too much as a kid that I’m wired to see these sorts of killings as a soul crushing downward spiral. The criteria for who deserves it and justifications continue to relax until they’re, like, killing dogs for association with “enemies”. But also I watched Dredd 2012 a lot, so I’m conflicted.
No, more dead cops!
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(12-06-2024, 08:31 AM)Gameboy Nostalgia wrote:
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It's strange that ree has no idea why corporate guy got shot in the face, but have decided it must be because of his job when there could be any number of reasons. It will be interesting to watch how they spin the narrative if the shooter turns out to be some chud who found out his cis wife was having an affair with the non binary exec
Care or don't care about the guy getting shot, whatever, but man I hate this larping bullshit
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/photos-showing-face-of-man-sought-in-killing-of-insurance-c-e-o-focus-manhunt.1052907/post-132546786
Like some 12 year old who thinks he's cool
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Murder is lame and the people pretending to be revolutionaries are even more lame, not hard to understand
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(12-05-2024, 10:46 PM)Gameboy Nostalgia wrote: My guess is left and middle are biologically male. Middle is the cutest.
Yeah. And as much as this is a hate forum and I’m no doubt a bigot, I should clarify that calling the actor a guy isn’t meant as a slur. It’s a cross dressing type deal, which is not uncommon. There are some movies and documentaries about transgenders. Like Close Knit and Midnight Swan. An old documentary from the 90s called Shinjuku Boys is about trans men who work at host clubs, and the women who opt for them over other clubs. All this gets flattened by Americans who aren’t curious about other cultures and interpret everything through their narrow, solipsistic mentality.
Anyway, the actor is also on a show called “Zettai BL ni Naru Sekai VS Zettai BL ni Naritakunai Otoko”. A show about a man aware he’s in a gay comic book and desperately trying to remain heterosexual. The joke being, in those comic books the girl characters aren’t attractive, so the attractive women are cross dressing men.
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(12-06-2024, 12:23 PM)kaleidoscopium wrote: Murder is lame and the people pretending to be revolutionaries are even more lame, not hard to understand
Yup, the grave dancing is lame when you realize that a lot of those that partake are riddled with social anxiety, allergies and autism and they won't actually take part in the revolution apart from cheering the extrajudicial killings on Bluesky.
And, already said many times, this is a slippery slope as people on the other side are honestly convinced that Fauci, Soros or the CEO of Dominion are evil and deserve the same treatment. So who gets to arbitrate which extrajudicial is just and which isn't?
As for just saying "bye bitch" and going on with your day, I have no problem with that.
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(12-05-2024, 06:20 AM)benita wrote: If you don't want to acknowledge a trans person's pronouns you might be a jackass, but whatever, that's your prerogative.
If you think trans women shouldn't be able to play women's sports, again, whatever, I can understand that perspective.
But gender disphoria is a real thing and there is a reason that suicide rates in the trans community are so high. There are a thousand things to make fun of era for, but it doesn't need to happen at the expense of basic human empathy. Despite the extreme victimhood nonsense that some of them perpetrate on Twitter, it's still a fact that trans people are some of the most marginalized on earth.
Diminishing them by stating that they're just pretending or will never be "real" men or women, or making fun of the marginalization they ensure is just gross ignorance. Laugh at the dumb shit they do, not who they are.
I mean... I don't want to relitigate this, but in what way?
Because it is with depressing regularity if I look beyond the surface level claims made at whatever thing they are claiming victimhood over, the actual facts don't support the narrative.
Day of remembrance figures? Mostly completely unrelated to being trans, and also as per capita figures less risky than a lot of other demographics.
Targetted legislatures? Methheads list contained a whole bunch of stuff completely unrelated and just boring regular conservative 'smaller government, bigger business' type stuff.
Lack of media presence? More than 1 of the last 100 characters I have seen in modern media were trans, how is that under repfresented?
There aren't any *(no trans tho) amendments to any existing laws I know of that would deprive someone of any actual human rights like employability, access to civic facilities, suffrage, etc
Where exactly is the marginalisation occurring, outside of people being real fucking shitty to them about being trans on social media (which isn't exactly that big a deal tylerthecreatorcyberbullying.jpeg)? and more importantly, isn't exactly one sided - a whole fucking lot of the online heat they get they literally bring on themselves.
I live on "TERF island", and there is absolutely no fucking instance where the trans community are in any way more marginalised than other minorities, and in many ways are significantly less marginalised as the majority are white, educated, middle class, and formerly male with all associated benefits of that for their entire prior existence.
Maybe the US is more marginalising, but then its a bit weird to say my country is so much worse if that was true.
But most of the time this is just brought up as a deflecting tactic so that normies don't look too closely at some of the genuinely horrific shit that is going on.
And you can tell its a defelction tactic, because rationalisations routinely cycle in and out the motte and bailey of "its a lifestyle choice! / "Its a medical condition!" depending on what line of argumentation is then invalidated
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(12-06-2024, 12:24 AM)Snoopy wrote: Meanwhile a dress up game for girls gets released and you know who are all over it -
https://www.resetera.com/threads/infinity-nikki-ot-the-try-on-the-wish-and-the-wardrobe.1052163/
Of course Kyujii did the OT for that game
(12-06-2024, 02:10 AM)benji wrote: (12-06-2024, 02:07 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: I'm not. I'm saying the decisions of a for-profit business are motivated by profit. Look, if you're not going to actually explain why you think scarcity doesn't exist then this is a useless conversation. I'm not going to convince you that murder of anyone you want is unjustified.
I think you're wrong on this one; Firstly, I don't believe that use of force is acceptable where alternative methods of change exist, and where use of force is required it should be both measured and proportional, and executing a dude in the street in a democratic nation is neither of those things.
But the scarcity argument is flawed. It creates inefficiency, not solves it.
There already exists mechanisms in healthcare to distribute limited resources to those that most need it - its called triage.
For-profit health insurance changes the criteria for triage from those in most need to care, to those best able to afford it, specifically those with the best insurance.
It removes the treatment assessment criteria away from the doctors performing the care to the actuaries looking at a spreadsheet, and, worse, it creates perverse disincentives; the trust fund kid who broke his arm snowboarding and has super double platinum insurance will get a barrage of tests they don't even need (utilising those self same scarce resources) while the guy whose insurance company decided his best treatment is experimental and won't pay for it gets to bankrupt himself before his long painful death from cancer.
That shit ain't right.
tl;dr
This season of the bire is too serious and not entertaining.
(12-06-2024, 04:24 AM)Boredfrom wrote: At least in my case, is the brainless celebration of ERA and lack of principles.
I mean... we all know era fucking love gravedancing, its super fuicking weird this guy is where they chose to draw the line
(12-06-2024, 02:47 PM)Straight Edge wrote: This season of the bire is too serious and not entertaining.
(12-06-2024, 07:28 AM)PogiJones wrote: https://famiboards.com/threads/nintendo-switch-2-speculation-thread-st-this-is-furukawa-president-of-nintendo.7757/post-1446965
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Orayn wrote:The bigots won. This is their country now. Things can only get worse, and they will.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/battered-by-boycott-and-backlash-target-to-no-longer-sell-pride-collection-in-all-stores.867039/page-3#post-132556434
Because Target won’t sell tacky pride shit once a year?
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(12-06-2024, 02:20 PM)Eric Cartman wrote: (12-05-2024, 06:20 AM)benita wrote: If you don't want to acknowledge a trans person's pronouns you might be a jackass, but whatever, that's your prerogative.
If you think trans women shouldn't be able to play women's sports, again, whatever, I can understand that perspective.
But gender disphoria is a real thing and there is a reason that suicide rates in the trans community are so high. There are a thousand things to make fun of era for, but it doesn't need to happen at the expense of basic human empathy. Despite the extreme victimhood nonsense that some of them perpetrate on Twitter, it's still a fact that trans people are some of the most marginalized on earth.
Diminishing them by stating that they're just pretending or will never be "real" men or women, or making fun of the marginalization they ensure is just gross ignorance. Laugh at the dumb shit they do, not who they are.
I mean... I don't want to relitigate this, but in what way?
Because it is with depressing regularity if I look beyond the surface level claims made at whatever thing they are claiming victimhood over, the actual facts don't support the narrative.
Day of remembrance figures? Mostly completely unrelated to being trans, and also as per capita figures less risky than a lot of other demographics.
Targetted legislatures? Methheads list contained a whole bunch of stuff completely unrelated and just boring regular conservative 'smaller government, bigger business' type stuff.
Lack of media presence? More than 1 of the last 100 characters I have seen in modern media were trans, how is that under repfresented?
There aren't any *(no trans tho) amendments to any existing laws I know of that would deprive someone of any actual human rights like employability, access to civic facilities, suffrage, etc
Where exactly is the marginalisation occurring, outside of people being real fucking shitty to them about being trans on social media (which isn't exactly that big a deal tylerthecreatorcyberbullying.jpeg)? and more importantly, isn't exactly one sided - a whole fucking lot of the online heat they get they literally bring on themselves.
I live on "TERF island", and there is absolutely no fucking instance where the trans community are in any way more marginalised than other minorities, and in many ways are significantly less marginalised as the majority are white, educated, middle class, and formerly male with all associated benefits of that for their entire prior existence.
Maybe the US is more marginalising, but then its a bit weird to say my country is so much worse if that was true.
But most of the time this is just brought up as a deflecting tactic so that normies don't look too closely at some of the genuinely horrific shit that is going on.
And you can tell its a defelction tactic, because rationalisations routinely cycle in and out the motte and bailey of "its a lifestyle choice! / "Its a medical condition!" depending on what line of argumentation is then invalidated
You get a like for using "motte and bailey" in a sentence.
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