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[JoeBoy101]

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The lack of a coherent acronym in that second tweet is unforgivable. I mean, you got it all lined up, just reorder the terms a bit.

[Straight Edge]

In case he deletes:

I don't really have words. Except these I suppose. My whole life I've been abused and traumatized and I guess this adds to the plate.

7 years. My first relationship. we married and have lasted 7 years. I came out to the world announcing I was dating him, and lost 2/3 of my social circle in Texas because now I was a queer that wanted to marry. We married suddenly/eloped 2 years in because he wanted me to show I was committed instead of just dating because he felt dating for 2 years was long enough, so I married him that week. But I was sad on our wedding day because we eloped in private in court. No family no friends.

Things have been rocky our whole relationship, but we've always pushed through and love each other deeply. We even filed our marriage in Colombia too (where I have dual citizenship). We do couples therapy 2-4x a month now for years…but my husband recently had a bunch of trauma bubble up for him from when I used to be a lot worse of a partner back in 2017-2019 (I had to take care of my childhood abuser/dementia-riddled dad after he got out of prison and then watch him slowly die of Parkinson's that year, I had CPTSD, MDD, panic disorder, etc I was unmedicated, no therapy yet, and I was about to move away from my home state to start grad school). Those years I was suicidal, depressed, and had many attempts to hurt myself. Those days are long gone but the last few months they bubbled to the surface for him and he decided he can't forgive me, he's paralyzed with trauma, and he can't move on, he can't feel safe/close to me anymore, and now he wants a divorce after realizing he will never forgive me. After the last year of insults and emotional abuse from him about how I'm not a good enough partner and how my addiction, my adhd, my flaws, everything about me is a huge turn off and problem for him. He told me yesterday that he doesn't think unconditional wedding vows make sense when I asked him why he doesn't care about them anymore, and he just said he feels like he will never get close to me again. He tried, he won't. I asked him to see a trauma therapist and he won't. He just wants divorce.

He announced this to me hours before my Halloween party, so I hosted it sobbing the whole time, while he went to bars with his friends, dissociating completely from the nuclear bombshell he just dropped in our household.

We have a $600k mortgage and 3 pets. I'm $200k in debt and have student debt and I make minimum wage as a grad student with 6-12 months left in my PhD. I don't know how to do this. He said he'll wait til I graduate.

The whole relationship has been rocky and complicated but I'm going through weed withdrawal right now and can't stop sobbing and feeling like I died and am watching my body from the outside. My sister cut me off, my dad died, my grandma died, my mom and stepdad almost died this year, I had to cut off my closest friend because they were toxic, and now I lose my husband. My life is full of trauma and I don't feel like I'll ever want to love or trust again.

Edit: sorry to those who bought handhelds from me and expected me to ship yesterday. This happened and I don't even know what's real anymore. I'll ship Monday

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The lack of a coherent acronym in that second tweet is unforgivable. I mean, you got it all lined up, just reorder the terms a bit.

Paedo Frogs

[Boredfrom]

Like most extremists in this region, most aren't fervent believers, they just weaponize their religions to persecute and gain power.

It's a distinction without a difference as far as I'm concerned. Does Netanyahu really believe that this is a "Holy War of Annihilation"? He's certainly acting in a way that is in-line with such a belief. People can hold extreme, abhorrent views with complete and utter sincerity.

Well, you are talking about the dude that has huge anti corruption case still following him, and everything he has done since a while ago is in service to remain in power by appealing to the most “right wing” political base. The fact that he can barely maintain the war time coalition may tell you that people are not seeing that genocidal sincerity (and just plain and simple political survival at the cost of everything else):

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-30/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-tweet-could-hasten-his-ouster-party-colleagues-say/0000018b-7c8b-d51e-a3cb-7def36cb0000

[jorma]

I would like to offer two additional observations so that we can hopefully make this thread a more inclusive, safer space for Jewish people.

I'm trying to be as polite and respectful as possible when I inform people on this forum that the saying "Zionists in Israel are a globally destructive force" is something that would be very at home on far-right websites. Like, I'm trying to do my best to not be hyperbolic, overly dramatic, or escalate tensions in here — that is exactly what Nazis believe.
And I'm trying to let people know, it's very easy to feel your feelings and advocate for your sense of justice without doing that. We take great pains not to say that Hamas represents innocent Palestinians. But almost any Israeli Jew would say they are a Zionist totally independent of any thought, feeling, or action they might have toward Palestinians. So, by calling them a "globally destructive force", you're not showing the same respect to not stereotype and generalize the innocent Israeli civilian population that we ask to show to the innocent Palestinian population.

And then, as a reply to the Jewish person pointing out anti-Semitic sentiments, a bunch of people decided to go "well, actually, no".

Just something for people to observe and take notice.


Secondly, as everyone discusses the origins and morality of Zionism, which I'm thrilled people are having because it adds proper nuance and complexity to the loaded term (and hopefully people learn some stuff!), it's been fascinating to see so much discussion and not a single mention of the Holocaust come up.

To me, as a Jewish person, I notice that kind of thing. I don't presume to know peoples' backgrounds or connections or anything. No one does on a forum, that's the beauty of a forum. To me, though, talking about Zionism without ever mentioning the Holocaust would be a signal to me that the discussion is not really including Jewish voices.

Which, is just something for people to note.

User Banned (Permanent): Concern trolling in a sensitive thread, account in junior phase
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/post-114211079

the competition is fierce i know, but this has to qualify as a top 5 worst bans of all time 

like sure, we know that lots of your prominent lesbians got really mad and wanted him gone but surely you could have done better than "concern trolling" when it's a jewish member talking about antisemitism?

[Boredfrom]

Pretty much. I'd argue it's slightly worse. Because then it's "oh he doesn't really believe it but it gets the people on board for genocide"

And that's pretty insane too bc it also suggests that people know he's not serious but they're onboard regardless.

Dude, you have Trump there right around the corner.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

jakomocha said:
Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept. Regardless of their particular genetics/origins, I would argue that Israelis are generally viewed as white today.

Pack it up, Jews. You're white now.

[Boredfrom]

Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept. Regardless of their particular genetics/origins, I would argue that Israelis are generally viewed as white today.

I suppose they can be anything anyone wants when is convenient.

[HaughtyFrank]

RE going for the "emotional truth"

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

  stormfront? I thought this was resetera!

[Nintex]

jakomocha said:
Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept. Regardless of their particular genetics/origins, I would argue that Israelis are generally viewed as white today.

Pack it up, Jews. You're white now.

tfw Literally the Nazis

[benji]

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept.

It's true. For example, Nepenthe: very white.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

so Jews now join the Hispanics and Asians as white now.

THE WHITES JUST KEEP ON GROWING! HOW WILL THE TRUE POC BE ABLE TO FIGHT BACK?!

[AldusMoneyPenny]

jakomocha said:
Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept. Regardless of their particular genetics/origins, I would argue that Israelis are generally viewed as white today.

Pack it up, Jews. You're white now.

Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept. Regardless of their particular genetics/origins, I would argue that Israelis are generally viewed as white today.

I suppose they can be anything anyone wants when is convenient.

Why don't the two of you just fuck and get it over with

[Water Enjoyer]

Pull up the "the main characters in Persona games are functionally white" post

[TylenolJones]

Wait, one of the mods day job is at a prison?!?

Donald Trump poops on a gold toilet.

He is going to *absolutely hate* any time he spends behind bars. The loss of privacy from being under observation. The loss of agency of being able to choose what he does when. The loss of freedom of being able to choose where to go.

He will hate every minute of it. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.

But I get it. I work in corrections (IT support, but still) so I see this misconception all the time. People drastically overestimate how much a nice environment affects how impactful incarceration is psychologically. Some carpet and a nice cot or chair or his own TV or whatever you're imagining are not going to make Trump enjoy his time inside.

And the very very best you can get behind bars is going to be woefully substandard for Trump. Even if they let him have a personal chef. Or McDonalds and Diet Coke whenever he wants it, I guess, as would be more likely for him.

No wonder they hate the more female prison guards joke. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-2-tapping-the-sign.768689/page-80#post-114204668

[clockwork5]

The funny thing is if that Jew would have instead linked some tweet with that message Bdumbs would have just come in given him a slap on the wrist and said “WHAT DID I TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT THE TWEETS!”

[ClothedMac]

Wait, one of the mods day job is at a prison?!?

Donald Trump poops on a gold toilet.

He is going to *absolutely hate* any time he spends behind bars. The loss of privacy from being under observation. The loss of agency of being able to choose what he does when. The loss of freedom of being able to choose where to go.

He will hate every minute of it. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.

But I get it. I work in corrections (IT support, but still) so I see this misconception all the time. People drastically overestimate how much a nice environment affects how impactful incarceration is psychologically. Some carpet and a nice cot or chair or his own TV or whatever you're imagining are not going to make Trump enjoy his time inside.

And the very very best you can get behind bars is going to be woefully substandard for Trump. Even if they let him have a personal chef. Or McDonalds and Diet Coke whenever he wants it, I guess, as would be more likely for him.

No wonder they hate the more female prison guards joke. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-2-tapping-the-sign.768689/page-80#post-114204668

Good God.  Trump going to prison, "oh, he'll be eating steak with ketchup everynight."  Jussie Smollet going to jail, "He will be peed on and raped by guards."

Every issue of justice/injustice is just viewed as who is being punished.  No wonder they think the Jews deserved it.  or as Nepthe says, "when you are colonized it's your moral imperative to do anything when fighting." 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/post-114211280

When you go pages and pages about zionism, Israel being a settler colonial ethnostate without a single mention of the Holocaust, I wouldn't fault a jewish person reading this if they came to the conclusion that a lot of people here aren't actually stopping at being antizionists.

He says the same thing a Jewish member just said and doesn't get banned.  Instead this happens.

I agree with this

Excellent post

Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

Not justifying the atrocities faced by Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli government. Just trying to add some context to why many Jews are wary of the general ideology of anti-zionism even despite supporting the liberation of Palestinian people.

Thank you. Well said.

Basically Jews and Arabs are not allowed to talk about this issue on Era. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I'm just saying.. maybe if Netanyahu put a good word out there for The Marvels this whole anti-jew situation would turn around.

[negativecrepe]

Sorry but it's retarded that people have to meet a holocaust mention quota when talking about jews.

[Boredfrom]

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Sorry but it's retarded that people have to meet a holocaust mention quota when talking about jews.

I mean, they said in the context of the funding of modern Israel and bitching about Zionism. The dude said that in the quote.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Edit: Beaten.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-169#post-114203330

Christian Nationalists in America and Zionists in Israel are a globally destructive force.

Hey there I just wanted to put out a friendly reminder to be more nuanced with your language, because unless I'm mistaken, Zionism is just the belief in a Jewish state. So almost any Jewish Israeli would consider themselves Zionists, and this would be independent of their opinion on things settlements, treatment of Palestinians, any action of Netanyahu, etc.
Like that 80-something woman who was a hostage and released and who was in a very leftist, educated kibbutz and had done a ton of pro-Palestinian activism, she would probably consider herself a Zionist.

So, when you say "Zionists in Israel are a globally destructive force", you're kind of saying that the belief in a Jewish state is a globally destructive force, which can have some really uncomfortable anti-Semitic undertones. I'm assuming this was not intentional and just from an emotional place, so just letting you know.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ongoing-israel-palestine-conflict-news-thread-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-170#post-114211079

User Banned (Permanent): Concern trolling in a sensitive thread, account in junior phase

I would like to offer two additional observations so that we can hopefully make this thread a more inclusive, safer space for Jewish people.

I'm trying to be as polite and respectful as possible when I inform people on this forum that the saying "Zionists in Israel are a globally destructive force" is something that would be very at home on far-right websites. Like, I'm trying to do my best to not be hyperbolic, overly dramatic, or escalate tensions in here — that is exactly what Nazis believe.
And I'm trying to let people know, it's very easy to feel your feelings and advocate for your sense of justice without doing that. We take great pains not to say that Hamas represents innocent Palestinians. But almost any Israeli Jew would say they are a Zionist totally independent of any thought, feeling, or action they might have toward Palestinians. So, by calling them a "globally destructive force", you're not showing the same respect to not stereotype and generalize the innocent Israeli civilian population that we ask to show to the innocent Palestinian population.

And then, as a reply to the Jewish person pointing out anti-Semitic sentiments, a bunch of people decided to go "well, actually, no".

Just something for people to observe and take notice.


Secondly, as everyone discusses the origins and morality of Zionism, which I'm thrilled people are having because it adds proper nuance and complexity to the loaded term (and hopefully people learn some stuff!), it's been fascinating to see so much discussion and not a single mention of the Holocaust come up.

To me, as a Jewish person, I notice that kind of thing. I don't presume to know peoples' backgrounds or connections or anything. No one does on a forum, that's the beauty of a forum. To me, though, talking about Zionism without ever mentioning the Holocaust would be a signal to me that the discussion is not really including Jewish voices.

Which, is just something for people to note.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/who-is-the-hottest-cartoon-mouse-sfw.779486/

User Banned (2 Weeks): Boys Club Behaviour

[TylenolJones]

That ban is kink shaming.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I think the trans genocide needs to be brought up every time someone mentions or consumes a product made from capitalism.

[Boredfrom]

Of course it was Booshka the one that got offended because someone dared to pushback and not pussyfooting around his hyper white leftism.

[Taco Bell Tower]

A furry got banned?  Definitely not by NepNep

[Pwnz]

Not to mention that a majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews originating from Arab countries that either were expelled or had to flee to Israel as refugees themselves. So, to describe Israel as a white colonialist state is factually inaccurate.

This is an informative post, but I'll just chime in that being white is an extremely fluid concept. Regardless of their particular genetics/origins, I would argue that Israelis are generally viewed as white today.

I suppose they can be anything anyone wants when is convenient.

God damn the blatant antisemitism on era continues.

I'll be sure to tell my Jewish friends that they don't need to worry about any of the threats globally against Jews. It's okay! You're white so it's fine.

[Pwnz]

I think a lot of antisemitic people on era don't even realize that they are antisemitic.

This is new for them, but not anyone that isn't a bigot from the south that has experienced diet racism.  Like you know when older people especially make sure to specify "this black guy" when starting a story about someone they don't like or a behavior they noticed of this person not realizing they're just barking that they're racist.

Same damn thing with people decolonizing Jews from their native lands, because you know it feels white.

Then there's the even dietier version of antisemitism where every heresay shitter post that fits their confirmation bias is taken as evidence super emotionally meanwhile never mentioning those that died by Hamas and how their truth was Hamas bullshit prior. Gee, I wonder why you would subconsciously so strongly want your narrative to be true. What could it possibly be about the Jews that cause that thinking?

[Boredfrom]

This is the definition people were criticizing for being used to shield Israel from any criticism, by the way

*post a bad link* lol

The letter notes that application of the definition has been widely criticised including by Ken Stern who, as the American Jewish Committee's antisemitism expert, led its drafting two decades ago. Earlier this year, Stern successfully urged the American Bar Association against adopting the definition because it has been used as "a blunt instrument to label anyone an antisemite".

That is interesting and valid, I searched for more information an come across something that may blow ERA head off:

The question of the authorship is a sideshow. But my role as lead drafter has, unquestionably, given me a platform to address the intended uses and troubling abuses, especially the weaponization of the definition against political speech. I continue to believe the definition has appropriate applications for data collection, for giving guidance on hate crimes (because it says you don’t have to analyze whether someone really hated Jews, but rather if they intentionally selected a Jewish target, including in response to an event in Israel), and for diplomatic purposes, like when the leader of a country calls for wiping Israel off the map.

I disagree with my former colleagues, in particular about how the definition should be used on campus. We also apparently disagree about it being employed to suppress political speech outside the campus, for instance via laws requiring those who contract with state governments sign a new-day loyalty oath that they are against boycotting Israel, or as former Secretary of State Pompeo proposed, as a basis for declaring certain human rights groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch anti-Semitic and threatening their funding. I remain most concerned that strong proponents of the campus application of the definition, like the Simon Wiesenthal Center, applaud when political speech is censored, and that others – including mainstream Jewish organizations and former colleagues – remain silent, apparently not seeing a problem.

I run a Center for the Study of Hate, and we know from the emerging field of hate studies that when people have their identity tethered to an issue of perceived social justice or injustice, their thinking changes. They tend to reject complexity, crave simplicity and certainty, and see things as good/bad, “us” versus “them,” and create sacred symbols. A definition, by definition, makes the difficult simple, and now has become a sacred symbol too.  The DEFINITION YES or DEFINITION NO debate, like a black hole, is sucking away the ability to look at other, more comprehensive ways to combat anti-Semitism. The definition has become like a flag. I guess if one was the lead designer of a flag and is then perceived to be stepping on it, others who had a hand in the stitching would be upset too.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/we-disagree-about-the-working-definition-thats-ok-heres-whats-not/

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Biden loves the Jews, Trump loves the Jews.

Who you gonna choose?