Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-341?post=121009080#post-121009080

"Do I need to make a new sign to tap? Drop all meta commentary about banned games and games to ban. I say this for everyone's sake.

Banning games is not easy on us staff, specifically enforcing them. Technically it can be when it's a game nobody on the forum really wants to talk about in the first place (see the plethora of adult games on Steam), but when it is? It's not fun nor easy.

If Stellar Blade or its company are somehow deeply rooted in the misogynistic anti-feminist movement of South Korea, then there will be talk internally. (Also we don't have anybody Korean, to my knowledge, on staff, so we don't have anybody with their ear to the ground there.)

As much as I would love to ban every game that offends me from this forum, it's not that simple"

[Potato]

Haha, let's see how they take that.

[Chumbawumbafan69]

They're going about it the wrong way. Don't blacklist blocklist games, every game needs to be approved before any discussion can be had and even then all appropriate discussion points will have to first be pre-approved.

[Besticus Maximus]

A wise leader would find a sacrificial game to make a fuss of and then ban that no one cares about 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-341?post=121009080#post-121009080

"Do I need to make a new sign to tap? Drop all meta commentary about banned games and games to ban. I say this for everyone's sake.

Banning games is not easy on us staff, specifically enforcing them. Technically it can be when it's a game nobody on the forum really wants to talk about in the first place (see the plethora of adult games on Steam), but when it is? It's not fun nor easy.

If Stellar Blade or its company are somehow deeply rooted in the misogynistic anti-feminist movement of South Korea, then there will be talk internally. (Also we don't have anybody Korean, to my knowledge, on staff, so we don't have anybody with their ear to the ground there.)

As much as I would love to ban every game that offends me from this forum, it's not that simple"

 No warning about cross thread drama and brigading? For shame.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I personally do not mind if anything gets banned or not here as this is not my call to make, but from an objective standpoint, it is worth acknowledging the idea that wizard game got banned because of the actions of the IP holder, even though the game itself contains nothing questionable and I'm not aware if the actual developers hold those same viewpoints. And now we have Stellar Blade, of which its main character is a flashing neon sign of sexualization, gamergate types are rallying around it and using the game to attack other developers, and the developers actively sympathize with the culture of misogyny prevalent in South Korean politics.

I would think there should be some consistency.

Part of me wonders if it's because JK Rowling is a woman (albiet a horrible vile woman actively making the world worse) while the director of Steller Blade is a brave enterprising man. I do wonder how much misogyny play sinto this

you're not slick, benji. I see you trying to insinuate that the mod team are sexist.

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-341?post=121009080#post-121009080

"Do I need to make a new sign to tap? Drop all meta commentary about banned games and games to ban. I say this for everyone's sake.

Banning games is not easy on us staff, specifically enforcing them. Technically it can be when it's a game nobody on the forum really wants to talk about in the first place (see the plethora of adult games on Steam), but when it is? It's not fun nor easy.

If Stellar Blade or its company are somehow deeply rooted in the misogynistic anti-feminist movement of South Korea, then there will be talk internally. (Also we don't have anybody Korean, to my knowledge, on staff, so we don't have anybody with their ear to the ground there.)

As much as I would love to ban every game that offends me from this forum, it's not that simple"

Dunno why they need to focus on the banning when they can do the - explicitly staff approved - tactic they're already using of going into literally every thread related to whatever they dont like and shitting it up with their """""concerns""""" until some poor cunt takes the bait and eats a ban, or the thread gets locked for mass reports and they've effectively shut down all conversation.

That was literally all the "hard work" Kyuntuji did to veto Cyberpunk. That and a copypasta of bullshit they made sure they posted as close to top of every new page they could.

[Daffy Duck]

LMAO…this completely missed me

Yikes at the gender dimorphism.

Can you elaborate on this?

There's very little if zero body diversity for women. Meanwhile the men have lots of range.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-announcement-trailer-free-2-play-may-beta-on-steam-and-egs.831309/page-12?post=121000527#post-121000527

[Eric Cartman]

FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT STELLAR BLADE:

• IS MADE BY MYSOGINISTS
  
• SUPPORTED GAMERGATE
  
• IS CONTRIBUTING TO SOUTH KOREAS DECLINING POPULATION RATE, WHICH IS BASICALLY GENOCIDE
  
• THE DEMO HAS BEEN ENJOYED BY RAPISTS, TRUMP SUPPORTERS, DOMESTIC ABUSERS, AND SOME IM SURE ARE GOOD PEOPLE
  
• OBJECTIFIES WOMEN
  
• DEMEANS BEAUTIFUL TRANS BODIES
  
• FAT SHAMES AND IS ABLEIST
  

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

LMAO…this completely missed me

Yikes at the gender dimorphism.

Can you elaborate on this?

There's very little if zero body diversity for women. Meanwhile the men have lots of range.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-rivals-announcement-trailer-free-2-play-may-beta-on-steam-and-egs.831309/page-12?post=121000527#post-121000527

Better see complaints EVERY SINGLE THREAD for this sexist marvel trash. 

[benji]

If Stellar Blade or its company are somehow deeply rooted in the misogynistic anti-feminist movement of South Korea, then there will be talk internally. (Also we don't have anybody Korean, to my knowledge, on staff, so we don't have anybody with their ear to the ground there.)

Wouldn't you need a South Korean feminist living in South Korea at minimum?

And what does any of this have to do with anything regarding the forum? This seems like a simple empirical question of connecting the employees to the movement (which presumably can be empirically shown to exist and what organizations it is) which anybody could do. Then what would the "talk" be? And why would you need a Korean for this talk? It's either connected and thus banned (even though the offense the members are voicing is unrelated to this connection) or it's not and allowed. Surely we shouldn't prioritize an "ear to the ground" by someone of dubious ethnic connection over easily proven facts verifiable by anyone.

They really think it looks smart to say, "well we wanted to know if this game was anti-feminist, so we asked the token Korean-American on staff and they said 'nope' so we aren't banning it"? Or are they saying the Korean would be tasked with the empirical matter, then would report to the non-Korean staff, then the non-Korean staff would "talk internally" to decide even though not being Korean none of them are obviously equipped to even understand the subject otherwise there would be no need for the Korean to be specified.

Frankly, I don't believe they're smart enough to even come up with any of this I just did. I think they just said this without thinking about it and are trying to avoid making any decision because they're stupid. Stupid enough to come up with this excuse and think other people will accept it. Which the forum will partially do because they don't think it's weird to assign tasks or knowledge based on ethnicity. Also because they're also stupid.

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It's also offensive as it ignores the superior views of Best Koreans who are not corrupted by capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy.

 

[Snoopy]

Reminder that Stellar Blade is a PS exclusive. Disgusting but unsurprising unfortunately.

[DocWager]

Benji is Excel. That’s why you see less of him on Era, and that’s why Benji spends late nights on here.

[Straight Edge]

Retards

Before joining thebore, I never used the word retard. It is offensive, crass and not something I would ever use in real life. However, there just isn't any word that I can use to describe people who are still using Resetera.

Retards.

So you’re saying the bore radicalized you?

[JoeBoy101]

BG3 got a pass because you (a man) could fuck male animals and monsters

FTFY

[kaleidoscopium]

I am just personally a little tired of half threads turning into "you should not look forward to this" judgement mobs.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-preview-thread.831270/page-7?post=121010628#post-121010628

It's depressing to see those who try to turn all threads of this game into ban bait and get mad when they don't get any response from people who excited about the game.

I hope this circulation end when the full game comes out.

Also, only 1 day left for the demo 🤘🏻

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

This too, it would feel so gross to play this game in front of my significant other... or any other human being for that matter.
Honestly, that's my rule of thumb for anything in life: if it feels weird to do it in front of other people, it means there's something wrong with it.

Something tells me these types are the kind of people who would cringe at a sex scene if they were watching a movie with friends and family. I guess playing a female character and engaging in lesbian sex in your BG3 playthrough in front of your wife and child wouldn't give a good feeling either. Or the dreaded meme of your parents walking in on you playing a video game as a child and encountering that scene. Insert whatever game you're playing doing something "cringe" related.

 but hey. If others look down on you for viewing or doing something, you shouldn't do it. That's the perfect advice for many marginalized-Era groups.

[kaleidoscopium]

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This too, it would feel so gross to play this game in front of my significant other... or any other human being for that matter.
Honestly, that's my rule of thumb for anything in life: if it feels weird to do it in front of other people, it means there's something wrong with it.

Something tells me these types are the kind of people who would cringe at a sex scene if they were watching a movie with friends and family. I guess playing a female character and engaging in lesbian sex in your BG3 playthrough in front of your wife and child wouldn't give a good feeling either. Or the dreaded meme of your parents walking in on you playing a video game as a child and encountering that scene. Insert whatever game you're playing doing something "cringe" related.

 but hey. If others look down on you for viewing or doing something, you shouldn't do it. That's the perfect advice for many marginalized-Era groups.

You must feel a lot of guilt everytime you have to go to the toilet 🙂

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-preview-thread.831270/page-8?post=121012548#post-121012548

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Reports are starting to pile up and I don't want to lock a third thread for this nonsense because people can't seem to stop antagonising each other or dismissing issues. Here are some quick guidelines and thoughts. My one and only attempt here.

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

Stop the meta-commentary. Era member this, era members are not this. Community is progressive or not progressive. Everyone is different and draws their lines differently, supports different things in different ways and have different understandings and approaches. Era is far from perfect and persistently showing off the flaws to make any sort of point is only further frustrating whatever the conversation is.

Subject ban request or discussion. That is "x should be banned from discussion because y was also banned" type stuff. Comparisons to prior bans are never correct and will only serve to further frustrations. It is inconsistent? Definitely, each situation was evaluated with a multitude of different reasons over a long period of time. Stop comparing them. We do ban for this type of commentary even though I hate doing it. No more please.

It is fine to talk about why/why not to buy, play or like a game. You don't have to be defensive or dismissive or antagonistic about it.

Sarcasm and snark. Don't @me if you get moderated because we didn't get your sarcasm or we deem it too spicy and thus more problematic than de-escalating. I'm frustrated. Members are frustrated. Just because moderators give you the benefit of the doubt doesn't mean members might and that can mean moderators need to consider de-escalation. A /s sign off is 2 characters and can go a long way.

If you're tired of seeing the criticism and disappointment from commentary about sexism within the industry, that is perfectly understandable... I am also tired. Tired of people being dismissive about it when others manage to muster up energy to talk about these important things even when I don't have the energy to do so. The doors to other platforms that don't allow these discussion are just about in every direction you can see. I'm going to be a lot less lenient in reviewing this type of commentary going forward in this thread because its 2024 and Resetera has been trying to be better allies for a long time now. Lets try a little harder.

Sexualisation is not inherently sexist. This is not a defense. Sexism includes considerations of sexualisation and if you still don't get it then I'll lay it out for you. The crux of these conversations deserves to be from a sexism lens. Not a this design/character/game ok or not. You could look at it in isolation but know that many are not and if you are commenting on it from solely this perspective then it might do you well to say so as to not come across as disregarding the elephant in the room.

Sexism is rampant in our hobby. While we are disappointed when some of the more eggregious examples are still supported we need to do better than simply trying to shame members. We're not going to stop them from buying the game regardless and it deteriorates the topic from talking about the issues into talking about the users. I know its frustrating but I'd rather not have this escalate to the point I must start banning people for antagonising each other. By the number of reports I may still have to.

Asking each other why we're still supporting a thing is... fine. Antagonising is not. Realistically we could look at all the other problematic thing and fall to very likely similar reasonings. There is no right or wrong answer and there is unlikely a happy one either. Still, this isn't off topic provided we're being sensible about it. I (somewhat hesitantly as I eye the reports queue) encourage discussion here. I think it is important for understanding and reflection but if you want honest answers we need to also accept responses that may not be to our liking. We need to allow that honestly for a chance to communicate in good faith. Shaming, antagonism is unlikely to be productive.

Some members are likely conflicted and/or do not have a good understanding or cannot properly articulate their reasons and desires, sometimes trying to do so falls afoul of being dismissive or they don't post lest this happens. That is fine. For what its worth, as a moderator I'm judging the contents of a post not your character. We need to come to accept that some members want to enjoy the game and don't know how to come to terms with the problems. They remain silent sometimes not because they don't care but because they don't trust themselves not to make it worse for you and me and everyone.

A lot of members (myself included) would do well to better their understanding of sexism and all its insidious systemic forms within our favourite hobby (and beyond really). We are not good at identifying it and worse at discussing it. Perhaps worse yet is that many of us are bad at listening and then another large portion fall silent and let things get worse and boil into a bit of a silent boys club feel. I understand being tired of everything but effort is needed and appreciated. If you don't know how to navigate these threads and these feelings. If you fear you might get banned when posting. If you don't understand why evoking your wife who doesn't even play games' opinion is inflammatory. If you feel attacked. If you cannot read past the venting. If nothing I say makes a drop of sense. It might be worth reflecting on this and scheduling some time to try and work out why. No one knows everything. We are all ignorant of everything until we learn.

I'll leave this last one outside the official staff tags because I don't want to hassle other mods who might need to consider reports on it's basis. But if you think it might apply to you then its time to reflect on that.

Sometimes you're making a good point and you're absolutely right. But you're still the biggest asshole in the room. I'm in an asshole banning mood, don't give me a target.

You have 20 minutes grace. Posts after this time that goes against this or the spirit of it I will consider with particular harshness that I don't like to bear. Ask for leniency from other mods.

Oh no.. Moderation is.. allowing Stellar Blade?

[kaleidoscopium]

Have to imagine they learned (or MOBA taught them) that the Hogwarts ban was retarded, got them the wrong type of attention and added so much overhead to their zoo keeping “job”. Or the mods are just sexist perverts who want to enslave all women to be sexy badasses

[bork]

GOTY

[Besticus Maximus]

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

This really does look cool. All it needs is to come to PC 

[kaleidoscopium]

Do find it hilarious that snormy here is complaining about the insane amount of reports in the queue when b dumbs told them to report everything before complaining to the mods 




Few extra fun points to focus on 

Subject ban request or discussion. That is "x should be banned from discussion because y was also banned" type stuff. Comparisons to prior bans are never correct and will only serve to further frustrations. It is inconsistent? Definitely, each situation was evaluated with a multitude of different reasons over a long period of time. Stop comparing them. We do ban for this type of commentary even though I hate doing it. No more please.

Do you? If this was a rule you’d have banned many people in this and the burqa boys thread, where a mod actively posts. 

It is fine to talk about why/why not to buy, play or like a game. You don't have to be defensive or dismissive or antagonistic about it

Asking each other why we're still supporting a thing is... fine. Antagonising is not. Realistically we could look at all the other problematic thing and fall to very likely similar reasonings. There is no right or wrong answer and there is unlikely a happy one either. Still, this isn't off topic provided we're being sensible about it. I (somewhat hesitantly as I eye the reports queue) encourage discussion here. I think it is important for understanding and reflection but if you want honest answers we need to also accept responses that may not be to our liking. We need to allow that honestly for a chance to communicate in good faith. Shaming, antagonism is unlikely to be productive.

Weird given there is a whole group who used it to ban the entire Harry Potter IP from the site, so it does seem to be effective if your goal is to control the sites narrative. Whole swaths of the site their entire modus operandi is to crawl your post history to find “forbidden material” to get you banned. If this is in an official staff communication why is that happening?

[DocWager]

1711627941[/url]']

Reports are starting to pile up and I don't want to lock a third thread for this nonsense because people can't seem to stop antagonising each other or dismissing issues. Here are some quick guidelines and thoughts. My one and only attempt here.

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION

Stop the meta-commentary. Era member this, era members are not this. Community is progressive or not progressive. Everyone is different and draws their lines differently, supports different things in different ways and have different understandings and approaches. Era is far from perfect and persistently showing off the flaws to make any sort of point is only further frustrating whatever the conversation is.

Subject ban request or discussion. That is "x should be banned from discussion because y was also banned" type stuff. Comparisons to prior bans are never correct and will only serve to further frustrations. It is inconsistent? Definitely, each situation was evaluated with a multitude of different reasons over a long period of time. Stop comparing them. We do ban for this type of commentary even though I hate doing it. No more please.

It is fine to talk about why/why not to buy, play or like a game. You don't have to be defensive or dismissive or antagonistic about it.

Sarcasm and snark. Don't @me if you get moderated because we didn't get your sarcasm or we deem it too spicy and thus more problematic than de-escalating. I'm frustrated. Members are frustrated. Just because moderators give you the benefit of the doubt doesn't mean members might and that can mean moderators need to consider de-escalation. A /s sign off is 2 characters and can go a long way.

If you're tired of seeing the criticism and disappointment from commentary about sexism within the industry, that is perfectly understandable... I am also tired. Tired of people being dismissive about it when others manage to muster up energy to talk about these important things even when I don't have the energy to do so. The doors to other platforms that don't allow these discussion are just about in every direction you can see. I'm going to be a lot less lenient in reviewing this type of commentary going forward in this thread because its 2024 and Resetera has been trying to be better allies for a long time now. Lets try a little harder.

Sexualisation is not inherently sexist. This is not a defense. Sexism includes considerations of sexualisation and if you still don't get it then I'll lay it out for you. The crux of these conversations deserves to be from a sexism lens. Not a this design/character/game ok or not. You could look at it in isolation but know that many are not and if you are commenting on it from solely this perspective then it might do you well to say so as to not come across as disregarding the elephant in the room.

Sexism is rampant in our hobby. While we are disappointed when some of the more eggregious examples are still supported we need to do better than simply trying to shame members. We're not going to stop them from buying the game regardless and it deteriorates the topic from talking about the issues into talking about the users. I know its frustrating but I'd rather not have this escalate to the point I must start banning people for antagonising each other. By the number of reports I may still have to.

Asking each other why we're still supporting a thing is... fine. Antagonising is not. Realistically we could look at all the other problematic thing and fall to very likely similar reasonings. There is no right or wrong answer and there is unlikely a happy one either. Still, this isn't off topic provided we're being sensible about it. I (somewhat hesitantly as I eye the reports queue) encourage discussion here. I think it is important for understanding and reflection but if you want honest answers we need to also accept responses that may not be to our liking. We need to allow that honestly for a chance to communicate in good faith. Shaming, antagonism is unlikely to be productive.

Some members are likely conflicted and/or do not have a good understanding or cannot properly articulate their reasons and desires, sometimes trying to do so falls afoul of being dismissive or they don't post lest this happens. That is fine. For what its worth, as a moderator I'm judging the contents of a post not your character. We need to come to accept that some members want to enjoy the game and don't know how to come to terms with the problems. They remain silent sometimes not because they don't care but because they don't trust themselves not to make it worse for you and me and everyone.

A lot of members (myself included) would do well to better their understanding of sexism and all its insidious systemic forms within our favourite hobby (and beyond really). We are not good at identifying it and worse at discussing it. Perhaps worse yet is that many of us are bad at listening and then another large portion fall silent and let things get worse and boil into a bit of a silent boys club feel. I understand being tired of everything but effort is needed and appreciated. If you don't know how to navigate these threads and these feelings. If you fear you might get banned when posting. If you don't understand why evoking your wife who doesn't even play games' opinion is inflammatory. If you feel attacked. If you cannot read past the venting. If nothing I say makes a drop of sense. It might be worth reflecting on this and scheduling some time to try and work out why. No one knows everything. We are all ignorant of everything until we learn.

I'll leave this last one outside the official staff tags because I don't want to hassle other mods who might need to consider reports on it's basis. But if you think it might apply to you then its time to reflect on that.

Sometimes you're making a good point and you're absolutely right. But you're still the biggest asshole in the room. I'm in an asshole banning mood, don't give me a target.

You have 20 minutes grace. Posts after this time that goes against this or the spirit of it I will consider with particular harshness that I don't like to bear. Ask for leniency from other mods.

Oh no.. Moderation is.. allowing Stellar Blade?

Wow they called the “women” what they actually are, annoying assholes. Somebody read my post on The Bire.

[Not an Alt Account]

Sometimes you're making a good point and you're absolutely right. But you're still the biggest asshole in the room. I'm in an asshole banning mood, don't give me a target.

[Disco55]

I love it when they make their discomfort of what their family and relatives might think if they see them play the "bad" game and make it everyone's problem.

[kaleidoscopium]

Sometimes you're making a good point and you're absolutely right. But you're still the biggest asshole in the room. I'm in an asshole banning mood, don't give me a target.

She even changed her tag to be “in an asshole banning mood”, you know she thought that was a great line

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-342?post=121015167#post-121015167

Snormy vs twotrolls

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-342?post=121015167#post-121015167

Snormy vs twotrolls

Snormy edited. What did it say?