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(05-24-2024, 03:55 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I see a fairly pedestrian term. I mean symbolically it’s going to shatter some people’s worlds but they will be fine.

I think he's gonna be pissed from feeling ineffectual and fight to do literally anything, whatever seems interesting and impactful, just to carve his name in the history books forever
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(05-24-2024, 03:59 AM)Potato wrote: I don't know who any of these people are and I am completely judging all of you for knowing not only that but also about whatever controversy is going on with them.

it's not something that anyone needs to have known about, but as a story it's mildly interesting

one of the most popular streamers in the world, who was once pulling in 5 figures a day covering legal cases like the heard/depp trial or rittenhouse, over the course of 2 years publicly spirals into every vice imaginable, speed running ruining his own life
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Quote:This. Every person in an administrative position at a university is complicit for their terrible response to the protests—and this includes the board of trustees as well. They know what they're doing.

I'm shocked, shocked! that the university cares more about the money it gets from Caterpillar than about the 7 biggest idiots on campus..


Quote:On the other hand, my court summon today went okay. It was basically a precursor to the real thing. Next court date is July 9th. It seems like the school and District Attorney are really dragging this out.

Oh my sweet, summer child
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(05-24-2024, 04:08 AM)Garfield wrote:
Quote:When Trump starts putting immigrants into detention camps

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I hate when the progs try to conflate the treatment of all immigrants with the ones that came here illegally and put up a BS asylum claim (which used to be denied all the time before the prog judges stopped following the law).  

It's also insulting to refer to temporary detention as camps, especially when they can leave by simply agreeing to go back to where they came from.



Jesus, dude…

omfg
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(05-24-2024, 04:01 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 03:55 AM)clockwork5 wrote: Trump part two will just be another 4 years of Dems trying to de-legitimize his presidency… again. He will be in court half the time and defending himself from whatever the second generation of allegations are going to be the other half (maybe it will just be Russia again but I’m hoping for something new in the second season)

Basically they will grill him incessantly hoping he fucks up and knowing he won’t be able to accomplish anything. 

I see a fairly pedestrian term. I mean symbolically it’s going to shatter some people’s worlds but they will be fine.

The worst part of Trump 2.0 will be that the whole thing would have been prevented if Democrats just SHUT THE FUCK UP and let him fade away like he would have.

The only reason he is relevant still is because they tried, and failed, to get him convicted of something.

Fucking morons.

Doge 

Pretty sure that many of them were pretty willing to do this if the dude was not so blatant about his crimes.
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(05-24-2024, 04:24 AM)Uncle wrote:
(05-24-2024, 03:59 AM)Potato wrote: I don't know who any of these people are and I am completely judging all of you for knowing not only that but also about whatever controversy is going on with them.

it's not something that anyone needs to have known about, but as a story it's mildly interesting

one of the most popular streamers in the world, who was once pulling in 5 figures a day covering legal cases like the heard/depp trial or rittenhouse, over the course of 2 years publicly spirals into every vice imaginable, speed running ruining his own life

So basically the standard cashed up instant-celebrity storyline that actors and other morons have been running for decades? Except this guy has no reason to be famous in the first place aside from retards deciding that they wanted to watch poorly sourced and produced "news" rather than get actual news from real journalists? Got it.

Spoiler:  (click to show)
Still judging all of you
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(05-24-2024, 04:39 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:01 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 03:55 AM)clockwork5 wrote: Trump part two will just be another 4 years of Dems trying to de-legitimize his presidency… again. He will be in court half the time and defending himself from whatever the second generation of allegations are going to be the other half (maybe it will just be Russia again but I’m hoping for something new in the second season)

Basically they will grill him incessantly hoping he fucks up and knowing he won’t be able to accomplish anything. 

I see a fairly pedestrian term. I mean symbolically it’s going to shatter some people’s worlds but they will be fine.

The worst part of Trump 2.0 will be that the whole thing would have been prevented if Democrats just SHUT THE FUCK UP and let him fade away like he would have.

The only reason he is relevant still is because they tried, and failed, to get him convicted of something.

Fucking morons.

Doge 

Pretty sure that many of them were pretty willing to do this if the dude was not so blatant about his crimes.

The crimes that they can't seem to pin on him?

Look, I'm on the fuck Trump bandwagon, but maybe these fucktards should have made sure they had a case before turning this shit into a circus...
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(05-24-2024, 04:06 AM)clockwork5 wrote: Also, I find it curious that they all seem so certain of the final trans solution occurring under Trumps watch, but it seems like the Genocide Joe era has not been kind to them and I would argue in terms of actual legislation, the past four years have seen quite a bit more trans restrictive bills than the time under Trumps watch. 

Donald Trump is still a piece of shit, just to be clear. Also, I really don’t know enough about trans stuff to know if these bills are actually helpful or hateful I’m just sayin what im seein.
They have zero clue how the government even works so they can think Trump can just order "camps for trans people" and it will happen. As if Blue State Democrats will just do illegal orders by the President because they like to. As if there's no non-Democrat opposition to illegal shit by the President. So on and so on.
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(05-24-2024, 04:51 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:39 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:01 AM)Potato wrote: The worst part of Trump 2.0 will be that the whole thing would have been prevented if Democrats just SHUT THE FUCK UP and let him fade away like he would have.

The only reason he is relevant still is because they tried, and failed, to get him convicted of something.

Fucking morons.

Doge 

Pretty sure that many of them were pretty willing to do this if the dude was not so blatant about his crimes.

The crimes that they can't seem to pin on him?

Look, I'm on the fuck Trump bandwagon, but maybe these fucktards should have made sure they had a case before turning this shit into a circus...

Dude… he is a political figure and while US justice system is way better than most of the world… you seriously think the guy would not be atomized from the face of the Earth if he was anyone else? 

You could argue that is not worth expending the political capital to try to persecute a, still popular, ex president, but let’s not pretend that the dude is clean and not benefiting from an entire political apparatus that tries to clean all his messes and pay for the bills of his lawyers.

I will say that, yes, a Trump second term will still be pretty bad. Not “end of the world” bad, but “the U.S. choose a Banana Republic Dictator for president… again.”
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(05-24-2024, 04:49 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:24 AM)Uncle wrote:
(05-24-2024, 03:59 AM)Potato wrote: I don't know who any of these people are and I am completely judging all of you for knowing not only that but also about whatever controversy is going on with them.

it's not something that anyone needs to have known about, but as a story it's mildly interesting

one of the most popular streamers in the world, who was once pulling in 5 figures a day covering legal cases like the heard/depp trial or rittenhouse, over the course of 2 years publicly spirals into every vice imaginable, speed running ruining his own life

So basically the standard cashed up instant-celebrity storyline that actors and other morons have been running for decades? Except this guy has no reason to be famous in the first place aside from retards deciding that they wanted to watch poorly sourced and produced "news" rather than get actual news from real journalists? Got it.

Spoiler:  (click to show)
Still judging all of you

Probably a safe bet that he never presented himself as a journalist, and instead was covering those cases from his perspective as an attorney (and because it was lucrative).  Found your comments referencing "actual news" and "real journalists" amusing though, so thanks for the laugh.
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(05-24-2024, 05:10 AM)Tucker's Law wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:49 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:24 AM)Uncle wrote: it's not something that anyone needs to have known about, but as a story it's mildly interesting

one of the most popular streamers in the world, who was once pulling in 5 figures a day covering legal cases like the heard/depp trial or rittenhouse, over the course of 2 years publicly spirals into every vice imaginable, speed running ruining his own life

So basically the standard cashed up instant-celebrity storyline that actors and other morons have been running for decades? Except this guy has no reason to be famous in the first place aside from retards deciding that they wanted to watch poorly sourced and produced "news" rather than get actual news from real journalists? Got it.

Spoiler:  (click to show)
Still judging all of you

Probably a safe bet that he never presented himself as a journalist, and instead was covering those cases from his perspective as an attorney (and because it was lucrative).  Found your comments referencing "actual news" and "real journalists" amusing though, so thanks for the laugh.

He was giving his perspective as an attorney while getting drunk on camera. His claim of fame of being one of the few internet lawyers that was openly ProDepp is not exactly that special when you remember that even ERA ended being ProDepp.
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(05-24-2024, 05:05 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:51 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:39 AM)Boredfrom wrote: Doge 

Pretty sure that many of them were pretty willing to do this if the dude was not so blatant about his crimes.

The crimes that they can't seem to pin on him?

Look, I'm on the fuck Trump bandwagon, but maybe these fucktards should have made sure they had a case before turning this shit into a circus...

Dude… he is a political figure and while US justice system is way better than most of the world… you seriously think the guy would not be atomized from the face of the Earth if he was anyone else? 

You could argue that is not worth expending the political capital to try to persecute a, still popular, ex president, but let’s not pretend that the dude is clean and not benefiting from an entire political apparatus that tries to clean all his messes and pay for the bills of his lawyers.

I will say that, yes, a Trump second term will still be pretty bad. Not “end of the world” bad, but “the U.S. choose a Banana Republic Dictator for president… again.”

Man, I'm not disagreeing with you on anything, just that they fucked everything up. 

Like, maybe instead of using a bunch of completely compromised people to conduct these investigations or pursuing charges that were a little flimsy, they should have made sure they had things in order before going hard on him.

Democrats can't help but be incompetent. They turned him into a martyr without killing him and without actually convicting him of any crimes.

Fuck the Democrats. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the lot of them.
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(05-24-2024, 05:10 AM)Tucker's Law wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:49 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:24 AM)Uncle wrote: it's not something that anyone needs to have known about, but as a story it's mildly interesting

one of the most popular streamers in the world, who was once pulling in 5 figures a day covering legal cases like the heard/depp trial or rittenhouse, over the course of 2 years publicly spirals into every vice imaginable, speed running ruining his own life

So basically the standard cashed up instant-celebrity storyline that actors and other morons have been running for decades? Except this guy has no reason to be famous in the first place aside from retards deciding that they wanted to watch poorly sourced and produced "news" rather than get actual news from real journalists? Got it.

Spoiler:  (click to show)
Still judging all of you

Probably a safe bet that he never presented himself as a journalist, and instead was covering those cases from his perspective as an attorney (and because it was lucrative).  Found your comments referencing "actual news" and "real journalists" amusing though, so thanks for the laugh.

Still judging you
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Quote:Found your comments referencing "actual news" and "real journalists" amusing though, so thanks for the laugh.

I will be blunt and say that the biggest problem in taking any side on the culture war is that people choose between grifters and scumbags rather than try to champion decent people. The Nick dude was also “a real lawyer” but the alarm bells were already there and most of his fans choose to ignore it because CULTURE WARS!!!!!
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(05-24-2024, 05:32 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 05:05 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 04:51 AM)Potato wrote: The crimes that they can't seem to pin on him?

Look, I'm on the fuck Trump bandwagon, but maybe these fucktards should have made sure they had a case before turning this shit into a circus...

Dude… he is a political figure and while US justice system is way better than most of the world… you seriously think the guy would not be atomized from the face of the Earth if he was anyone else? 

You could argue that is not worth expending the political capital to try to persecute a, still popular, ex president, but let’s not pretend that the dude is clean and not benefiting from an entire political apparatus that tries to clean all his messes and pay for the bills of his lawyers.

I will say that, yes, a Trump second term will still be pretty bad. Not “end of the world” bad, but “the U.S. choose a Banana Republic Dictator for president… again.”

Man, I'm not disagreeing with you on anything, just that they fucked everything up. 

Like, maybe instead of using a bunch of completely compromised people to conduct these investigations or pursuing charges that were a little flimsy, they should have made sure they had things in order before going hard on him.

Democrats can't help but be incompetent. They turned him into a martyr without killing him and without actually convicting him of any crimes.

Fuck the Democrats. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the lot of them.

The dude was going to be a martyr regardless after Jan6. Yeshrug That’s how Banana Republic dictators work. 

The current president of my country pulled a similar stunt when he lost a decade ago. He become a martyr a won six years ago. The country survived but is way more shitty than with the other governments.

You are saying all this because you got convinced that is simple incompetence and that he was going to go away if left alone. I will tell you, this was not going to be the case as long he is still popular enough to be considered a martyr.
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Quote:[Dude… he is a political figure and while US justice system is way better than most of the world… you seriously think the guy would not be atomized from the face of the Earth if he was anyone else?

If Trump were anyone else, he would not be charged with any of the crimes he's been charged with.  Especially this BS NYC criminal trial brought by Alvin Bragg.  We also already know this for a fact regarding the $500MM civil fraud verdict, because after that bogus trial, Governor Kathy Hochul came out and said to other businesses not to worry, we're not going after anyone else for this, just Trump.
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(05-24-2024, 05:54 AM)Garfield wrote:
Quote:[Dude… he is a political figure and while US justice system is way better than most of the world… you seriously think the guy would not be atomized from the face of the Earth if he was anyone else?

If Trump were anyone else, he would not be charged with any of the crimes he's been charged with.  Especially this BS NYC criminal trial brought by Alvin Bragg.  We also already know this for a fact regarding the $500MM civil fraud verdict, because after that bogus trial, Governor Kathy Hochul came out and said to other businesses not to worry, we're not going after anyone else for this, just Trump.

Is it tho?
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The moment when you could have let Trump be and try to ignore his sorry ass was before he got elected. Trumps 

The thing I agree is that Democrats and Progressives give him a lot of power and elevated him to the boogeyman before he did anything. Of course, he ended being worse than most sane people thought, but this was when he was actually in the office rather than being that rando celebrity guy bitching about Obama birth certificate.
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I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency? It is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.
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(05-24-2024, 06:22 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.  

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.

How? The dude is selling secret information and is pretty much a king maker with the republicans. How do you ignore the latter and how you deal with the fact that he refuses to fuck off regardless?

How did you ignore an asshole that claims that he was robbed the presidency and has a legion of followers and enablers? A stubborn and malicious man that seem to only keep going to spite everyone.
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You guys seem to be putting the cart before the horse. Trump didn't want the leave office in the first place. All of the current trials beyond the porn star shit are due to him sowing as much chaos as he did on his way out. He was never going to quietly just fade away after losing to Biden so ignoring him wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Granted, the trials have now given him even more reason to fight because it's his only way to ensure enough immunity to last him to his end, but once that dickbag got a taste of presidential power, there was no way in hell he was ever going to give that up willingly. He's already floating 3 terms. Biologically, he's running out of time, but if he had won the presidency when he was 20 years younger, I guarantee you he would have tried to remain in office for life back then as well.

If anything, the democrats fucked up while he was rising in the ranks by not taking a populist idiot seriously. He was the perfect type of shitbag to appeal to the average conservative retard and instead of cutting him off at the blue collar pass, Hillary allowed him to ravage the rust belt.

Meanwhile, republicans recognize they're completely fucked because they can't win elections anymore without their MAGA retard electorate, so their options are to give in to the asylum, or lose power, and there's nothing a politican hates more than losing power. They will sacrifice every principle, abandon all morality, and suffer any indignity to keep that sweet sweet power. Look at cocksuckers like Ted Cruz, turbo cocksuckers like Lindsey Graham and cunts like Haley for proof of that.

What dems really need to do is stop trying to focus on scoring points against Trump because they don't matter. His followers don't care. It's a sport, and as long as their team wins, it doesnt matter how they win. They should be doing everything they can to secure Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio which includes shutting the fuck up about stupid issues that no one in those states gives a fuck about (men in dresses, pronouns, DEI, etc.) and just hammer home on the economy in any way possible. The student loan play is the smartest thing Biden has done so far, because he's literally buying votes, and I still don't think he's telling people loudly enough that he's giving them free money, because Dems will forever be idiots at messaging properly. 

The last best hope they have is Newsom, and even he still doesn't go hard enough, but at least there's a spark of cunning there.
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(05-24-2024, 06:27 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:22 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.  

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.

How? The dude is selling secret information and is pretty much a king maker with the republicans. How do you ignore the latter and how you deal with the fact that he refuses to fuck off regardless?

How did you ignore an asshole that claims that he was robbed the presidency and has a legion of followers and enablers? A stubborn and malicious man that seem to only keep going to spite everyone.

You laugh at him and don't give him oxygen. That's how the rest of the world does it, except for the Dutch and the Americans.
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MelodyShreds wrote:I wrote out a long post but I decided not to post it. I'll just say I've known about Vic since 2008.
Only in the last few years with this whole thing going down did I realized I had info that was not fully out there for over a decade.

I honestly feel like shit for not thinking to post something about this anytime between 2008 and now. Maybe it would have made a difference.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vic-mignogna-lawsuit-ot-hold-my-beard-update-appeal-lost-mignogna-must-pay-attorney-fees-to-defendants.94896/page-302?post=123400947#post-123400947

Rolleyes

No, I don’t doubt that Vic isn’t a sex pest, but you probably has the same info that most people close to some accuser have or is a silly insane complain like him liking Yaoi incest art. Because sure as hell I don’t think he molested you.
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(05-24-2024, 06:36 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:27 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:22 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.  

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.

How? The dude is selling secret information and is pretty much a king maker with the republicans. How do you ignore the latter and how you deal with the fact that he refuses to fuck off regardless?

How did you ignore an asshole that claims that he was robbed the presidency and has a legion of followers and enablers? A stubborn and malicious man that seem to only keep going to spite everyone.

You laugh at him and don't give him oxygen. That's how the rest of the world does it, except for the Dutch and the Americans.

Doge 

Again, how you ignore a clown that is punching the kids on the party. The rest of the neighborhood  can ignore him to an extent because they are not in the birthday party.
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(05-24-2024, 06:36 AM)Echelon wrote: You guys seem to be putting the cart before the horse. Trump didn't want the leave office in the first place. All of the current trials beyond the porn star shit are due to him sowing as much chaos as he did on his way out. He was never going to quietly just fade away after losing to Biden so ignoring him wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Granted, the trials have now given him even more reason to fight because it's his only way to ensure enough immunity to last him to his end, but once that dickbag got a taste of presidential power, there was no way in hell he was ever going to give that up willingly. He's already floating 3 terms. Biologically, he's running out of time, but if he had won the presidency when he was 20 years younger, I guarantee you he would have tried to remain in office for life back then as well.

If anything, the democrats fucked up while he was rising in the ranks by not taking a populist idiot seriously. He was the perfect type of shitbag to appeal to the average conservative retard and instead of cutting him off at the blue collar pass, Hillary allowed him to ravage the rust belt.

Meanwhile, republicans recognize they're completely fucked because they can't win elections anymore without their MAGA retard electorate, so their options are to give in to the asylum, or lose power, and there's nothing a politican hates more than losing power. They will sacrifice every principle, abandon all morality, and suffer any indignity to keep that sweet sweet power. Look at cocksuckers like Ted Cruz, turbo cocksuckers like Lindsey Graham and cunts like Haley for proof of that.

What dems really need to do is stop trying to focus on scoring points against Trump because they don't matter. His followers don't care. It's a sport, and as long as their team wins, it doesnt matter how they win. They should be doing everything they can to secure Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio which includes shutting the fuck up about stupid issues that no one in those states gives a fuck about (men in dresses, pronouns, DEI, etc.) and just hammer home on the economy in any way possible. The student loan play is the smartest thing Biden has done so far, because he's literally buying votes, and I still don't think he's telling people loudly enough that he's giving them free money, because Dems will forever be idiots at messaging properly. 

The last best hope they have is Newsom, and even he still doesn't go hard enough, but at least there's a spark of cunning there.

You can't win an election by only appealing to those shitbags. You also have to motivate the non-shitbags AND actively turn away anyone on the fence.

Hilary was perfect for that. All of these lawsuits and failed prosecutions are doing the job this time.
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(05-24-2024, 06:27 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:22 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.  

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.

How? The dude is selling secret information and is pretty much a king maker with the republicans. How do you ignore the latter and how you deal with the fact that he refuses to fuck off regardless?

How did you ignore an asshole that claims that he was robbed the presidency and has a legion of followers and enablers? A stubborn and malicious man that seem to only keep going to spite everyone.
You swallow your sense of justice and you just don’t acknowledge the man’s existence, even when it seems absurd to do so, you just ignore the man, the name, the questions, the tweets, the articles. They are politicians. This is their supposed skill set. Direct the narrative. Well direct it away from him.

But they didn’t because they are incredibly stupid and once again thought that he was not a threat and they could just publicly flog him to their own delight. They actually are quite stupid.
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(05-24-2024, 06:43 AM)Potato wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:36 AM)Echelon wrote: You guys seem to be putting the cart before the horse. Trump didn't want the leave office in the first place. All of the current trials beyond the porn star shit are due to him sowing as much chaos as he did on his way out. He was never going to quietly just fade away after losing to Biden so ignoring him wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Granted, the trials have now given him even more reason to fight because it's his only way to ensure enough immunity to last him to his end, but once that dickbag got a taste of presidential power, there was no way in hell he was ever going to give that up willingly. He's already floating 3 terms. Biologically, he's running out of time, but if he had won the presidency when he was 20 years younger, I guarantee you he would have tried to remain in office for life back then as well.

If anything, the democrats fucked up while he was rising in the ranks by not taking a populist idiot seriously. He was the perfect type of shitbag to appeal to the average conservative retard and instead of cutting him off at the blue collar pass, Hillary allowed him to ravage the rust belt.

Meanwhile, republicans recognize they're completely fucked because they can't win elections anymore without their MAGA retard electorate, so their options are to give in to the asylum, or lose power, and there's nothing a politican hates more than losing power. They will sacrifice every principle, abandon all morality, and suffer any indignity to keep that sweet sweet power. Look at cocksuckers like Ted Cruz, turbo cocksuckers like Lindsey Graham and cunts like Haley for proof of that.

What dems really need to do is stop trying to focus on scoring points against Trump because they don't matter. His followers don't care. It's a sport, and as long as their team wins, it doesnt matter how they win. They should be doing everything they can to secure Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio which includes shutting the fuck up about stupid issues that no one in those states gives a fuck about (men in dresses, pronouns, DEI, etc.) and just hammer home on the economy in any way possible. The student loan play is the smartest thing Biden has done so far, because he's literally buying votes, and I still don't think he's telling people loudly enough that he's giving them free money, because Dems will forever be idiots at messaging properly. 

The last best hope they have is Newsom, and even he still doesn't go hard enough, but at least there's a spark of cunning there.

You can't win an election by only appealing to those shitbags. You also have to motivate the non-shitbags AND actively turn away anyone on the fence.

Hilary was perfect for that. All of these lawsuits and failed prosecutions are doing the job this time.

Doge

But he lost one of those lawsuits, a civil one for that matter, and big time. 

And what failed prosecutions when some have yet to have the trial.
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(05-24-2024, 06:43 AM)clockwork5 wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:27 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:22 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.  

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.

How? The dude is selling secret information and is pretty much a king maker with the republicans. How do you ignore the latter and how you deal with the fact that he refuses to fuck off regardless?

How did you ignore an asshole that claims that he was robbed the presidency and has a legion of followers and enablers? A stubborn and malicious man that seem to only keep going to spite everyone.
You swallow your sense of justice and you just don’t acknowledge the man’s existence, even when it seems absurd to do so, you just ignore the man, the name, the questions, the tweets, the articles. They are politicians. This is their supposed skill set. Direct the narrative. Well direct it away from him.

But they didn’t because they are incredibly stupid and once again thought that he was not a threat and they could just publicly flog him to their own delight. They actually are quite stupid.

I wouldn't call them stupid, just egotistical and naive.
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(05-24-2024, 06:43 AM)clockwork5 wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:27 AM)Boredfrom wrote:
(05-24-2024, 06:22 AM)clockwork5 wrote: I have to agree with potato. 

The Democrats are incredibly stupid. Just ignore the man into obscurity. Force him to rant on Twitter or his money laundering excuse for a social media site.  

Why in gods name would you want his face on the news every day of your own party’s unpopular presidency is beyond all reason. It’s like the moment the Democrats win they forget that 50% of the country wants them out ASAP. 

They play checkers and play it poorly.

How? The dude is selling secret information and is pretty much a king maker with the republicans. How do you ignore the latter and how you deal with the fact that he refuses to fuck off regardless?

How did you ignore an asshole that claims that he was robbed the presidency and has a legion of followers and enablers? A stubborn and malicious man that seem to only keep going to spite everyone.
You swallow your sense of justice and you just don’t acknowledge the man’s existence, even when it seems absurd to do so, you just ignore the man, the name, the questions, the tweets, the articles. They are politicians. This is their supposed skill set. Direct the narrative. Well direct it away from him.

But they didn’t because they are incredibly stupid and once again thought that he was not a threat and they could just publicly flog him to their own delight. They actually are quite stupid.

Dude…  lol

Let’s not talk about justice but legitimacy and power. Im not from the U.S. but is clear that they consider it a threat, is the whole reason why they are risking the national humiliation of persecuting a U.S. President. 

The difference I have with Trumptards than would say “SEE THE DEEP STATE IS PERSECUTING HIM” is that not only the threat has merit but is clear the dude has no intention to stop and, more important, HAS A LEGION OF ENABLERS. The dude already damaged your political system by implying that the election was rigged and not respecting the results. This is not going to go away. This is a political power play. Politicians from others parts of the world have done the same.

There is no easy answer to deal with him and persecution is not exactly a path to victory. But the dude is not going to disappear because HE DOESNT WANT IT. 

I said in the old bore that he was smart, he would flee the country and be a political refugee at Russia just to avoid the shitshow he caused. And that was before Jan6.
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Still voting Cenk.  Cenk Ugyr
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