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https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/11I6mVRuWl
Ree's heroine Keffals goes bye bye

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https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/11I6mVRuWl
Ree's heroine Keffals goes bye bye

Again?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/11I6mVRuWl
Ree's heroine Keffals goes bye bye

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At least she took out Kiwifarms.....and that's it.

TIL. No she didn't....

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Mr_sex_haver
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Look I don't like her but I absolutely get how being swatted and harrassed because of streaming can give someone PTSD. Swatting is like an actual life or death situation forced upon people out of spite, Having a gun pointed in your face is not a great time.

Yeah, but none of that happened. By Keffals own telling they were sleeping and the police politely knocked at the door and someone else answered it.

My favorite part was the raising money so "no trans person ever has to face injustice again", then fleeing the country after dropping a comment in the police's suggestion box.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ap-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-in-tehran.940896/?post=126533859#post-126533859

You just love to see it. Glad this demon is worm food now.

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"Livestreaming destroyed her mental health..."

How unfair a job that combines disc jockey/AM radio host/jefe de revolution/expert on tech on the cusp/can't shut up won't shut up/shilling while not appearing to be shilling/stay online all the time is difficult. Screeching about just one subject won't grow them numbers and there's only so much an internet forum can do for you.

Edit- Trans Rashomon

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"Livestreaming destroyed her mental health..."

How unfair a job that combines disc jockey/AM radio host/jefe de revolution/expert on tech on the cusp/can't shut up won't shut up/shilling while not appearing to be shilling/stay online all the time is difficult. Screeching about just one subject won't grow them numbers and there's only so much an internet forum can do for you.

It's funny because Keffals didn't even do this, like Hasan and Vaush and those dudes suck but they do sit there for hours and jabber like morons which takes some kind of effort. Keffals stopped doing this about the time that Taylor Lorenz ran that story about how the revolution will be streamed. I don't even know if they were still producing their prerecorded YouTube stuff anymore, they closed the multiple channels and hid all the videos like twenty times with all their other "quitting the internet and leaving forever" announcements. I honestly have no idea if they ever really "came back" from one of those or just "came back" by posting on Twitter.

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My favorite Keffals clip is on Kiwi Farms and it's just randomly in the thread and I can never remember what to search for to find it. They're doing this rant about how they and "everyone in chat" is bringing about socialism by sitting there every day and reading about American political/kulturkampf news on Twitch. I should find it and upload it to YouTube with it edited to be followed by this:

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

If it wasn't Keffals I'd be worried.

But then I'm worried because it's Keffals and how narcissistic they are.

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/ap-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-in-tehran.940896/?post=126533859#post-126533859

You just love to see it. Glad this demon is worm food now.

Israel is desperate for a regional war that starts in a way they can claim to be the victims.

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I made it through 4 seconds on that clip. Our (my nieces/nephews) future is doomed with that nonsense.

Edit- this is top page for me so insert *hot gal gadot fast and furious dot gif*

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You just love to see it. Glad this demon is worm food now.

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2 high profile assassinations in one day seems like major provocation.

Fuck around and find out.

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I'll be furious yet again if it was indeed Israel. Not because they assassinated Haniyeh, but because they were capable of doing so in goddamn Tehran but, apparently, they can't secure critical Hamas targets in Gaza without flattening entire blocks.

Although we all know why that is.

I understand the sentiment, but flattening city blocks in Tehran would lead to flattening city blocks in Tel Aviv. We don't need that.

They successfully killed even the pretense of having ceasefire talks. Maybe if Bibi somehow gets his share of lead in a forehead later it'll be better, but I won't hold my breath for that miracle to happen.

 

Nice forum, BDubs.

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I'll be furious yet again if it was indeed Israel. Not because they assassinated Haniyeh, but because they were capable of doing so in goddamn Tehran but, apparently, they can't secure critical Hamas targets in Gaza without flattening entire blocks.

Although we all know why that is.

Because it's easier to kill one dude than an entire army?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-takes-fire-for-posting-fake-video-of-kamala-harris.940080/page-6?post=126535008#post-126535008

Just remember: If you support and use twitter, you're indirectly funding Donald Trump's campaign. And even if you forget about that, the platform itself is biased toward whatever viewpoint Musk wants it to be and you're simply empowering his ability to dictate the narratives.

Anyone whinging about alternatives not being "good enough" are simply being spineless. Yeah, they're not good enough, because people aren't good enough about actually putting their money where their mouth is. Spoiler: You don't need a twitter account, most young people these days don't even use Twitter so even if you're an artist or whatever, you can do TikTok or Youtube Shorts.

 

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Israel is desperate for a regional war that starts in a way they can claim to be the victims.

Why? What would they gain from one? What's going to be the sides?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ap-hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-assassinated-in-tehran.940896/?post=126534843#post-126534843

If They had something that could get through the Iron Dome they would have done it by now.

I'm waiting for someone to ask how they get sunlight through the dome.

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The latest crap I posted in academic garbage gave me the idea for a new gameshow:

ResetERA.com or Vladimir Lenin? (or is Nepenthe or Lenin better branding?)

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

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Don't dismiss this concern:

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-palestine-the-ongoing-israeli-genocide-in-gaza-icj-orders-halt-to-israeli-offensive-on-rafah-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-372?post=126466899#post-126466899

Israel needs to be reeducated by a international force.

I'm not going to miss that guy, but Israel is a rogue state that wants a regional conflict and needs to be stopped.

Iran is also bad. But the West is not supporting Iran, so my country is not responsible for its crimes, only for those of Israel.

Bonus:

Not gonna miss this piece of shit, but I don't know that this will appease anything.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Let's hope this eventually applies to Netanyahu

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I mean, Netanyahu is scum, but why suddenly (  ) the non spoken (   ) rules against wishing for political violence to world leaders don’t apply? 

BTW, is funny how everyone on HamasERA forgets that dude lives on Israel

I cannot imagine the outlook for the hostages looking good at this point. I wonder what the rhetoric in Israel is like. Two assassinations in two countries seems like a catalyst for a full blown regional war. Hoping I'm wrong here.

“Anyway, dude is threadbanned again. I don’t care you oppose the Israel government you kik… Zionist.”

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Bing bing ding zoof.... woosh... boom, the leader of Hamas is dead

I wonder where Bibi got the intelligence from

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I imagine Mossad.

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Iran is also bad. But the West is not supporting Iran, so my country is not responsible for its crimes, only for those of Israel.

Define support. Because much of that thread seems to indicate not stopping someone from doing things is supporting them. Like I don't know, this guy:

Israel is a rogue state that wants a regional conflict and needs to be stopped.

Two assassinations in two countries seems like a catalyst for a full blown regional war. Hoping I'm wrong here.

Who are the sides going to be? Why does nobody over there ever answer this question for their imagined wars?

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This is from just last year:

The Biden administration on November 14 extended a sanctions waiver to allow Iran to access upwards of $10 billion in electricity revenue once held in escrow in Iraq. The waiver allows Baghdad to continue purchasing electricity from Iran and, in a change from past policy, for Iran to convert its revenue into euros and draw on the money for budget imports out of Iraq and Oman.

The new waiver extended for 120 days a U.S. waiver first issued in July that gave Iran access to the $10 billion in electricity revenue held in escrow in Iraq. It remains unclear whether Iran has spent any of the $10 billion since July. The July waiver came as part of an unacknowledged nuclear understanding between the United States and Iran, evading the congressional review requirement of the 2015 Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act. Weeks later, the administration agreed to release another $6 billion in Iranian funds frozen in South Korea as part of a deal to secure the release of Tehran’s American hostages

Is this support or does it not count because there were sanctions first? How far back do I get to go in Israel's case?

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Bing bing ding zoof.... woosh... boom, the leader of Hamas is dead

I wonder where Bibi got the intelligence from

Are you suggesting that Donald Trump has committed an even more serious federal crime than he's already been indicted for?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

It was the White Hats, read your Michael Baxter.  

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Poor Charlie. His take was so bad that he's quitting his podcast and is taking a break.

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-takes-fire-for-posting-fake-video-of-kamala-harris.940080/post-126516294

That is indeed a problem. How to do that? If people need to take more than 2 steps to do something, forget about it. One of the reasons it's hard to get some people to vote. Settle for something that is less than perfect? Not gonna happen. Seek a solution by themselves? Fuck no.

The modern convenient world.

You can get people to overcome inconvenience, and to even organize by themselves, by providing a superior alternative that they actually want and acknowledging their concerns as valid. On the example of voting, that's why Democrats just switched Biden out and now suddenly are awash in enthusiasm and grassroots fundraising. Imagine that.

Shaming people will largely never move them. That doesn't mean it's not an important tool; Nazis should be shamed and mocked. Some people need to be told to fuck off. But it can't be your only tool, and constantly whining that people have their own minds and move and think in ways you don't like doesn't build coalitions with potential allies.

Now, back to Twitter, I don't know how to build an alternative that's better because, frankly, I think Twitter was already near-perfect as it was and- in a world where the collective attention span is in the gutter- ahead of it's time with quick, short form posting. Merely doing that again is... Eh?

Shutting the fuck up is free?

I think Musk is going to make the decision for people whether they want to or not. He's been spiraling down the drain for years now and shows no sign of stopping or slowing down. I imagine a lot of folks who can't get off Twitter are going to find themselves banned, their tweets muted or hidden, or just forced to deal with all kinds of shit that actually makes the site and app unusable to them whether they rely on it for the livelihood or not. I know a lot of LGTBQ+ folks are still on there for a variety of reasons and I can totally see Elon just dropping all pretense and blocking/banning then en masse just because he's feeling especially spiteful and short sighted that day.

If that's the path he wants to chart, then so be it. It would be extremely destructive to outright ban minorities en masse for being minorities, but rich whites with a pathological need to be worshipped aren't known to be forward thinking. Regardless, new hangouts and solutions will be formed from such movement, but it'll be because it's in response to a conflict and need, not because some lib on a soapbox wants to call queer people supportive of fascism because they fucking post on Twitter.

It obviously comes down to Musk. Every platform has it share of Nazis and shitty people, but only Twitter has someone abusing their position to attack the rights of others. Remove him and Twitter goes back to being fine, but I can't in good faith continue using something that supports a guy trying to ruin the lives of millions.

Twitter is not the only platform censoring and attacking minorities, or bolstering fascism and coups that have gotten people killed. So it's more honest to say that you just don't like Musk than that you're holding to a consistent principle regarding platform use in its relation to the perpetuation of fascism.

Imo any of the available alternatives are superior to Twitter just by the fact how they are run, but unfortunately it's not a compelling enough reason for people to make the switch. Don't get me wrong though, I'm aware that different platforms have different problems.

I dunno, I think shaming can be a good tool for normal people because normal people are emotionally intelligent. I wouldn't say it works for nazis since usually they're sociopaths or psychopaths. Sometimes people are too stubborn because they don't want to see an effort to make a change. But slight shaming makes people with good hearts to think. Maybe even a seed is planted. Of course, it doesn't work for everyone as it can also make people to cocoon themselves.

Most people don't care about who owns their media platforms (because most people aren't all that media literate but that's another story). They just want to use a platform that is engaging and has good content and community. Bluesky and Threads are just doing what Twitter already does; they're not providing a true alternative with benefits to the end user that warrant a mass movement.

And like I said, shaming is a tool that can be used when necessary. And I'll agree it's not just for bigots and political enemies; in-group shaming can be a useful way to reinforce sociopolitical and cultural principles (relevant example since I'm listening to "Not Like Us" right now: the Kendrick-Drake beef). But it can't be your only or primary tool for trying to change people's minds, especially if the accusation doesn't logically square. "If you use Twitter you're supporting fascism" doesn't make sense when the liberal politicians you are about to vote for are using that same platform while arguing against Project 2025, for example.

Not every conduct can be resolved through a matter of shaming and judgement, especially if you haven't gotten your principles and argument together to even have the shaming make sense.

Isn't it mostly the libs that are on twitter these days anyway? At least in comparison to other communities. Most queer leftists I know personally are the ones that moved onto the smaller more grassroots platforms when it was clear Musk didn't want us there. Not that there's not a sizeable leftist and queer community still active on twitter, but I doubt most liberals really care about Musk given most of them aren't fussed about the steady rise of facism anyway.

I personally still see a lot of Black and Queer leftists on my timeline, as well as small international news sources operating out of places like Africa.

I think there's a limit for everyone, either far right or far left. The owner does matter. Just earlier I was thinking aloud what kind of owner would make people to make the switch. The more we go towards the far right, people would start dropping imo. Would you stay if Trump owned Twitter, even if there were absolutely no changes at all to the content policies, moderation etc.? Maybe for others the limit would be someone even worse.

*Sighs* Dude.

Trump was the fucking President of the United States, and I didn't leave despite actually having the means to do so.

I'm Black. If I had to not engage with something because a racist owned it, I'd probably die from a lack of access to resources.

Like you're not getting the point. Consumer choices are not going to save us. They are nice for short-term hits to a given business entity, and are fair personal expressions of one's tastes, but they're not fucking praxis or organization that are actually changing the material world!

And I don't even balk at anyone who's left the platform! Musk is a piece of shit who deserves a splinter to the eye. The porn bots suck- pun not intended. The boosting of braindead paid accounts has ruined organic conversation. The ads every other reply are awful. There's so many arguments to make that are better than "only fascists use it," but some of you insist on using it because it's nice to be on a high horse.

If that's how you feel, you can always choose something else than Twitter or Meta.

So you should really read the multiple incredibly well made posts from Nep about how it's not as simple as "Just use smaller platforms."

There's nothing folks on here love more than finger wagging and "judging" people for using unethical product X over Y. It doesn't matter, you're only doing it to feel good about yourself.

There's a good link for alternatives that someone posted earlier: https://www.resetera.com/threads/et...u-saying-boo-or-are-you-saying-boogle.814884/

That list of alternatives is just proves that it's not really a good idea to tell people "Just switch platforms lol."

But take for instance the list of email alternatives, what workplace do you know of is using Mailspring or POSTEO? How many people use Signal instead of imessage? How many consumers are actively trying to avoid chromium based internet browsers when the vast majority of people who work on the internet design websites with it in mind?

You need to listen to what people are telling you because you haven't "figured it out" so to speak.

Right. Like I said earlier, people want convenience. Everything has to be handed to them. Told what they need to do, like a hivemind.

Bruh that's not what a hivemind is.

They cannot make their own informed decisions and try something new for a while and see how they like it. They don't want to try anything new because it's more than 2 steps so they give up. God forbid, it would require an adjustment period too. They don't want to do this because everyone else is not there right at this minute.

The reason people aren't switching to *insert deadassappthatpeopledontuse here* is because they HAVE made an informed decision as to what would work best for them as a consumer. You seem to think you've figured out a solution to the "Don't use twitter for moral reasons" question yet you can't seem to figure out that yes, people have agency and aren't just blindly using what's popular. So maybe stop lecturing people?

But if you gave it a chance, you might find something you like. Find a community you like.

It's amazing to me that you can't fathom that someone may have already done this years ago which is why they're still using twitter, with accounts on other platforms, just not entirely dead ones like the vast majority of the ones from that link you posted.

"Find something you like!"

Yea we did

"Find a community you like!"

Repeat after me.

People. Did. That.

Between Trump's Twitter and Bluesky/Threads, you wouldn't make the switch? It's not like you'd have to move out of the country, it's a social media platform. But fair enough then. I really do think the majority of people would drop Twitter the worse the owner gets. I don't think many would stay for Hitler, in a bizarre hypothetical world, even if the platform itself wouldn't change.

I do get what you're saying, but I still think it would be an improvement over Twitter. Some improvement is better than none to tip the scale even a little bit. But I guess sometimes I have an optimistic look of things.

I would probably drop my own activity to almost nothing like I have now under Musk if Trump owned it because he'd be doing the same shit that annoyed me, but if the people I go on Twitter for now didn't make the switch- politicians, news orgs, individual activists and artists- then I wouldn't quit the platform. There's no point in doing so. But like, yeah, if someone who is actively facilitating a genocide owns a platform like Hitler, then sure. I'd outright delete my account. But Elon Musk isn't Hitler in terms of actual damage he's doing so why even bring up the comparison?

And I'm not swayed by idealistic optimism that isn't actually underpinned by consistent principles and materialist solutions. Y'all ain't giving people shit for owning a Facebook account or a YouTube account despite the fact that these platforms are directly implicated in things like mass shootings, genocides, and the spread of alt-right misinformation and fascism. You hate Twitter because you hate Elon Musk by extension which, fair dues, Elon can go fuck himself. But don't make out like specifically this is sincerely about trying to attack the material and sociopolitical conditions that leads to fascism. You're chasing a moral victory over a white man that you dislike.

"Some of you". Hang on, I've never said anyone's a fascist or supporting fascism simply if they use Twitter. Some people there are right-wingers or fascists, but it's got nothing to do with the normal people there.

My brother in Christ, you literally argued that people should be shamed for just fucking using Twitter. Why? Because Elon Musk is a fascist (that you just directly compared to Hitler) and thus using Twitter supports his own fascistic ends. You don't get to act like you weren't making a moral argument about Twitter users.

Alright, last message in this thread since people are getting personal and these arguments are not going anywhere. Caring and not knowing are two different things, ok? If they're not aware of awful things that people do and are responsible for, maybe they don't have anything to say.

Less so that people don't have strong opinions on topics like genocide and moreso that the average person has more things to be concerned about on their day to day life than telling people to use inconvenience themselves and "try new things." Like sorry not sprry fam im not sending work emails with POSTEO. Or texts with something no one communicates with. Or posting art to the private void known as Blusky. Nor am I willingly going to handicap my ability to stay informed in real time when the people posting information, like presidential candidates, post to twitter faster than our news can report big moments during their campaign.

This must be one of those difficult intersectionality conversations.

Also:

Twitter as a news source was already cooked the moment that actual user verification disappeared in favor of "I pay Elon Musk $8 a month."

Guy who doesn't realize how many verified users regularly posted outright disinformation and also forgets that people like MovieBob and Brianna Wu were verified.

Ad revenue dropped 80% this year right? I wonder how much longer he'll keep the platform alive at the rate its losing money.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting help to keep it afloat from some dark money right wingers

So these people who are not the richest man in the world and have comparatively no money will pay one of the richest men in the world to prop up an essential tool for queer artists to fight fascism?

Any rumblings of repercussions actually happening for this?

Go ask Merrick Garland, who's still fruitlessly trying to prosecute Donald Trump in court like the rule of law still exists in this country.

Go ask the Attorney General about prosecuting someone for something not remotely illegal?

[Besticus Maximus]

You cannot just go around writing entire shooter manifestos about how evil twitter is then spend the rest of the day fucking around looking at other people's projects of drawing sexy animals on twitter