Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Uncle]

You know why Star Lord worked in Guardians? Because he was a manchild mercenary loser that was kidnapped by space pirates as a kid, his pop music mix tape connected him with her mother and the father he never met until that point. He becomes sympathetic because he team ups with other sympathetic weirdos and losers.

Yeah, and also, I'm gonna say something crazy here: Men and women are generally different. Some things that are attractive for one are not attractive for the other. Boobs are attractive on women; they are not attractive on men. Huge, square shoulders are attractive on men; they're not attractive on women. This extends beyond just physical traits, as it's true for personality traits as well. Men like Han Solo can act like dicks and still have charisma, which both men and women like. That's a lot harder for women. OTOH, women can act soft even while being assertive, which again is endearing to both men and women; for a man, acting soft often comes off as weak and limp-dicked.

I know it's fashionable to pretend all differences are cultural (which is obviously not true), but even if they are, that's still a description of our current reality. Men and women are different, and women acting like dicks just does not get as much endearment as when it's a charismatic man, and likewise, a soft man doesn't get as much love as a soft woman. People can complain about reality all they want, but that is reality.

re-conceptualizing this game from the ground up, keeping this idea in mind:

the girl should essentially be kaylee from firefly who literally everyone loves. the ship is run by a boisterous, loudmouthed, obnoxious crew, mix of zapp brannigan and guardians of the galaxy. the girl is just the long-suffering, abused janitor, we see her covered in grease stains and performing the sci-fi equivalent of sweeping with a broom. cinderella story.

trailer starts with this crew being all "captains log: we've run into some bad motherfuckers but it's nothing we can't handle," and they're joking and laughing. sweeping girl bumps something, says "oops," gets yelled at, they call her a drag and tell her to get out of the way. we get a whole scene where we THINK these idiots are the Concord protagonists...but then an alien entity beams aboard and vaporizes all of them into a pile of ash. janitor girl who was shunted to the back of the ship narrowly avoids this, and when the alien leaves she's like "ohgodohgod what do I dooo," she runs to the front and starts punching buttons, and takes off into hyperspace, now on her own with her own ship, free to do whatever adventure is demanded of her

or hell, maybe the alien finds her but doesn't kill her because he needs someone to operate the ship for him, and the two slowly manage to bond over the course of the game (the idiot crew he killed were jerks anyway, we find out she was a child slave sold to them, so better off with a murderous alien with a secret heart of gold than them)

just spitballing here

[Snoopy]

Re-conceptualising from the ground up. The girl should be hawt and do cool stuff.

[EaldNarche]

Naughty Dog doing Concord 2. 

It's a shame because the graphics and concept are good, but they really went out of their way to make the player character ugly. First thing you see is her shaving her bald head. I'm just surprised she doesn't have a peg leg too.

It's a very purposeful choice Western devs make now. A lot of the Sony teams seem to think making their female MC 'ugly' = real person, not an 'unrealistic' fantasy woman for icky men to salivate over. Even though it's based on a real person, Tati Gabrielle. What happened to having a mix, like actual real life?

You would have thought they would have learnt from Concord and their purposefully hideous character designs.

It's funny, male characters in Western games are never given the same treatment. Only females. Who on those teams hates attractive women so much that they make them so vaguely masculine?

Even her shaving her head is supposed to signal to Resetera types who can get excited, oh don't worry our main character won't be trying to be attractive at any time.

Between this and the GoT sequel, those devs have purposefully uglified both characters. As everyone knows women in Western games want to look ugly. Just like real life where they all leave the house with no makeup or nice clothes on.

Clever casting by ND though they get a two for one as the actress is half black and half Asian.

The most glaring thing about it all is that they are going hard with this 80s aesthetic with literally everything else except for the protag. The 80s were big on hairspray and glamour and crazy makeup, everyone knows that. But we get a butch bald space trucker instead. I'm gay so I don't even care about the sex appeal, I just don't wanna play as a bald space lesbian. 
 

Nintex, trump won, wasn't he supposed to fix this??

[JoeBoy101]

You know why Star Lord worked in Guardians? Because he was a manchild mercenary loser that was kidnapped by space pirates as a kid, his pop music mix tape connected him with her mother and the father he never met until that point. He becomes sympathetic because he team ups with other sympathetic weirdos and losers.

Yeah, and also, I'm gonna say something crazy here: Men and women are generally different. Some things that are attractive for one are not attractive for the other. Boobs are attractive on women; they are not attractive on men. Huge, square shoulders are attractive on men; they're not attractive on women. This extends beyond just physical traits, as it's true for personality traits as well. Men like Han Solo can act like dicks and still have charisma, which both men and women like. That's a lot harder for women. OTOH, women can act soft even while being assertive, which again is endearing to both men and women; for a man, acting soft often comes off as weak and limp-dicked.

I know it's fashionable to pretend all differences are cultural (which is obviously not true), but even if they are, that's still a description of our current reality. Men and women are different, and women acting like dicks just does not get as much endearment as when it's a charismatic man, and likewise, a soft man doesn't get as much love as a soft woman. People can complain about reality all they want, but that is reality.

re-conceptualizing this game from the ground up, keeping this idea in mind:

the girl should essentially be kaylee from firefly who literally everyone loves. the ship is run by a boisterous, loudmouthed, obnoxious crew, mix of zapp brannigan and guardians of the galaxy. the girl is just the long-suffering, abused janitor, we see her covered in grease stains and performing the sci-fi equivalent of sweeping with a broom. cinderella story.

trailer starts with this crew being all "captains log: we've run into some bad motherfuckers but it's nothing we can't handle," and they're joking and laughing. sweeping girl bumps something, says "oops," gets yelled at, they call her a drag and tell her to get out of the way. we get a whole scene where we THINK these idiots are the Concord protagonists...but then an alien entity beams aboard and vaporizes all of them into a pile of ash. janitor girl who was shunted to the back of the ship narrowly avoids this, and when the alien leaves she's like "ohgodohgod what do I dooo," she runs to the front and starts punching buttons, and takes off into hyperspace, now on her own with her own ship, free to do whatever adventure is demanded of her

or hell, maybe the alien finds her but doesn't kill her because he needs someone to operate the ship for him, and the two slowly manage to bond over the course of the game (the idiot crew he killed were jerks anyway, we find out she was a child slave sold to them, so better off with a murderous alien with a secret heart of gold than them)

just spitballing here

Is there a reason you are rehashing old Sierra games?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I grew up on and loved those old Sierra games!

[Eric Cartman]

This looked okay, but I'm not in a hurry to get invested as Netflix will definitely cancel it before season 2.

...wait, its a videogame?

[JoeBoy101]

I was seriously disappointed with that Witcher 4 trailer. I’d love to play a game as Ciri, but the pissy girlboss they have in that horrible trailer, aping Gerald’s style and failing is not the Ciri fans loved in Witcher 3. One you played as for a portion, and was self-actualized and independent. 

Nope, this is just bad writing which I hope is limited to that trailer.

[Eric Cartman]

Is this the same guy from gaf like 15 years ago?

Yes and.... I'm sorta sure at one point was also made an era mod...?

[Nintex]

It's a shame because the graphics and concept are good, but they really went out of their way to make the player character ugly. First thing you see is her shaving her bald head. I'm just surprised she doesn't have a peg leg too.

It's a very purposeful choice Western devs make now. A lot of the Sony teams seem to think making their female MC 'ugly' = real person, not an 'unrealistic' fantasy woman for icky men to salivate over. Even though it's based on a real person, Tati Gabrielle. What happened to having a mix, like actual real life?

You would have thought they would have learnt from Concord and their purposefully hideous character designs.

It's funny, male characters in Western games are never given the same treatment. Only females. Who on those teams hates attractive women so much that they make them so vaguely masculine?

Even her shaving her head is supposed to signal to Resetera types who can get excited, oh don't worry our main character won't be trying to be attractive at any time.

Between this and the GoT sequel, those devs have purposefully uglified both characters. As everyone knows women in Western games want to look ugly. Just like real life where they all leave the house with no makeup or nice clothes on.

Clever casting by ND though they get a two for one as the actress is half black and half Asian.

The most glaring thing about it all is that they are going hard with this 80s aesthetic with literally everything else except for the protag. The 80s were big on hairspray and glamour and crazy makeup, everyone knows that. But we get a butch bald space trucker instead. I'm gay so I don't even care about the sex appeal, I just don't wanna play as a bald space lesbian. 
 

Nintex, trump won, wasn't he supposed to fix this??

It's gonna take a while before it trickles down. They've been working on CONCORD singleplayer for 5(?) years already.


for the record, I don't think there is anything wrong with how Ciri looks. I honestly don't get the complaints there

[Taco Bell Tower]

Found Neil’s Era account:

Holy Shit.
(there, I said it)

Interesting casting. Naughty Dog going for actors own likeness this time is likely a very pragmatic step. Easier to spin into multimedia with TV series?
The licensed 80's music, real product placements, this is Naughty Dog breaking a lot of their own traditions here. And all of the above is probably them tapping into all the strengths of the Sony organization.

The name and the genre of Intergalactic combined with the legendary developer pedigree practically gives this limitless potential.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/intergalactic-the-heretic-prophet-a-new-space-ip-by-naughty-dog-has-been-announced.1060260/page-20#post-132924585

Do they like the game made by the Zionist?

I think Neil has a actual Ree account as his full name lol could be a alt!

[Uncle]

Is there a reason you are rehashing old Sierra games?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I grew up on and loved those old Sierra games!

I think I played it once for a very short time ages ago but I don't think I subconsciously dredged it up

old games knew good writing, who knew

[davepoobond]

The story is set in an alternative universe where space travel has significantly advanced by 1986.

Thinking about this, it'd be more inventive and interesting to make a game based around what some people in 1986 would have thought human culture of space travel would look like. 

The TV and CD player and so on in the trailer just look out of place, it's like everything about 1986 advanced centuries except the consumer electronics. The fashions are somewhat similar. It just feels odd if you think about it any yet it's clearly supposed to be some deeply constructed aspect of the universe. It's just superficial nostalgia but they somehow decided it's narrative relevant. What do you bet there's Soviets and stuff? Even though the world necessary for space travel like depicted would be dramatically changed beyond recognition.

edit: Not saying there's not ways to do it or that they haven't. Or to overly judge off a shitty trailer. But it's like drawing all the attention to the weakest part of your fiction by framing it this way.

I think you basically are describing what the issue is with retro futurism, because we already “know” what happened to old kinds of technology and using the same technology is just a way to signal to the current person that it is of “80s” retro futurism and not just people deciding to wear eyepatches cause it is cool

[Straight Edge]

If it’s the 80s she should look like this.

[Eric Cartman]

I wonder what's missing in the lives of people who react this way whenever they aren't being pandered to 24/7

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/

[Nintex]

If it’s the 80s she should look like this.

or this



We finally have all the render techniques to do this but alas all the video game developers are depressed 

[Straight Edge]

Career opportunities came out in 91

[Potato]

You know why Star Lord worked in Guardians? Because he was a manchild mercenary loser that was kidnapped by space pirates as a kid, his pop music mix tape connected him with her mother and the father he never met until that point. He becomes sympathetic because he team ups with other sympathetic weirdos and losers.

Yeah, and also, I'm gonna say something crazy here: Men and women are generally different. Some things that are attractive for one are not attractive for the other. Boobs are attractive on women; they are not attractive on men. Huge, square shoulders are attractive on men; they're not attractive on women. This extends beyond just physical traits, as it's true for personality traits as well. Men like Han Solo can act like dicks and still have charisma, which both men and women like. That's a lot harder for women. OTOH, women can act soft even while being assertive, which again is endearing to both men and women; for a man, acting soft often comes off as weak and limp-dicked.

I know it's fashionable to pretend all differences are cultural (which is obviously not true), but even if they are, that's still a description of our current reality. Men and women are different, and women acting like dicks just does not get as much endearment as when it's a charismatic man, and likewise, a soft man doesn't get as much love as a soft woman. People can complain about reality all they want, but that is reality.

re-conceptualizing this game from the ground up, keeping this idea in mind:

the girl should essentially be kaylee from firefly who literally everyone loves. the ship is run by a boisterous, loudmouthed, obnoxious crew, mix of zapp brannigan and guardians of the galaxy. the girl is just the long-suffering, abused janitor, we see her covered in grease stains and performing the sci-fi equivalent of sweeping with a broom. cinderella story.

trailer starts with this crew being all "captains log: we've run into some bad motherfuckers but it's nothing we can't handle," and they're joking and laughing. sweeping girl bumps something, says "oops," gets yelled at, they call her a drag and tell her to get out of the way. we get a whole scene where we THINK these idiots are the Concord protagonists...but then an alien entity beams aboard and vaporizes all of them into a pile of ash. janitor girl who was shunted to the back of the ship narrowly avoids this, and when the alien leaves she's like "ohgodohgod what do I dooo," she runs to the front and starts punching buttons, and takes off into hyperspace, now on her own with her own ship, free to do whatever adventure is demanded of her

or hell, maybe the alien finds her but doesn't kill her because he needs someone to operate the ship for him, and the two slowly manage to bond over the course of the game (the idiot crew he killed were jerks anyway, we find out she was a child slave sold to them, so better off with a murderous alien with a secret heart of gold than them)

just spitballing here

Immediately better than 95% of video game storylines

[Uncle]

Thinking about this, it'd be more inventive and interesting to make a game based around what some people in 1986 would have thought human culture of space travel would look like. 

The TV and CD player and so on in the trailer just look out of place, it's like everything about 1986 advanced centuries except the consumer electronics. The fashions are somewhat similar. It just feels odd if you think about it any yet it's clearly supposed to be some deeply constructed aspect of the universe. It's just superficial nostalgia but they somehow decided it's narrative relevant. What do you bet there's Soviets and stuff? Even though the world necessary for space travel like depicted would be dramatically changed beyond recognition.

edit: Not saying there's not ways to do it or that they haven't. Or to overly judge off a shitty trailer. But it's like drawing all the attention to the weakest part of your fiction by framing it this way.

I think you basically are describing what the issue is with retro futurism, because we already “know” what happened to old kinds of technology and using the same technology is just a way to signal to the current person that it is of “80s” retro futurism and not just people deciding to wear eyepatches cause it is cool

you need a plausible reason why things are done in the old 80s way

maybe just this particular girl is a retro enthusiast and keeps CDs, in which case it wouldn't be a retro future universe, she's just a hipster, or it has meaning to her like starlord

maybe space travel tech advanced but it's all based on big vacuum tubes and stuff, and data storage technology hit a snag and couldn't advance, which is why music is still stored on CD, but that has implications for the rest of the world and is interesting, which requires thinking it through logically and deriving what else it would mean, so of course today's idiot writers don't go that route

dude imagine ships that are built with a massive spinning disc atop them like a record player/CD, that's the only way people discovered to store large amounts of data, it's a terabyte of storage but has to be building-sized in order to do it

maybe the read heads are repurposed as guns during a firefight, laser is used to read the data and also to go pew pew

[Uncle]

I'm just a moron wasting time on a tiny web forum, these people form whole writing teams and are paid millions

[PogiJones]

Based on the opening text ("Scripture" from 1986), it looks to me like it's set far in the future, but space travel was discovered in the '80s, and that transformative event formed a religion that preserved the contemporary culture. So I'm guessing all the 80s items are religious items, like how Catholicism has preserved a lot of ancient culture, like Mary paintings and whatnot. It's not a bad premise, in and of itself, although a bit silly. These CDs aren't there because they don't have anything better, they're there as part of worship. That's my read, anyway.

[HaughtyFrank]

I was seriously disappointed with that Witcher 4 trailer. I’d love to play a game as Ciri, but the pissy girlboss they have in that horrible trailer, aping Gerald’s style and failing is not the Ciri fans loved in Witcher 3. One you played as for a portion, and was self-actualized and independent. 

Nope, this is just bad writing which I hope is limited to that trailer.

Yeah it left me surprisingly cold and I guess part of that is them just making her Geralt 2.0.

[Nintex]

I think they just showed something that works for the normie audience. Something like Witcher doesn't translate well to a CG game awards hype trailer.
In the real game you can probably decide to let the girl be sacrificed to the monster, save the monster, fight the monster or kill the villagers. Much as how it was in Witcher 3.

I think the end was to show: "She made a choice and it has consequences" and some of that "morally grey" Game of Thrones stuff for shock value.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/astro-%E2%80%93-a-goty-winning-non-binary-icon.1060875/

[FEUER FREI.]

edit: beaten

They can't help themselves making everything about them. They insert themselves into every fucking thing, and it's all just shit cooked up in their head

[malfoyking]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/astro-%E2%80%93-a-goty-winning-non-binary-icon.1060875/

They just cant help themselves

[Ethan]

Such a non-binary icon that if you google Astro Bot and non-binary, the first result is that very thread created less than 20 minutes ago

[EaldNarche]

I thought astrobot was a boy... He's got sackboy proportions. :v

[PogiJones]

He is, someone a couple months ago was complaining about how disappointing it was that they gave Astro gendered pronouns or something

EDIT: Found it

https://thebore.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=3&pid=77373&highlight=astro#pid77373

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamergate-2-0-chuds-furious-about-a-consulting-company-named-%E2%80%9Csweet-baby-inc%E2%80%9D-which-overviews-scripts-to-make-sure-nothing-offensive-was-written.823731/post-128333475

I am super excited to play Astro Bot soon, but frankly the fact the developers gender Astro kind of pisses me off. I know the morons are watching, but they have no idea how catered to they are.

EDIT 2: Oh, it was actually plagiarize himself, same dude now calling him a non-binary icon, lol

[Boredfrom]

Based on the opening text ("Scripture" from 1986), it looks to me like it's set far in the future, but space travel was discovered in the '80s, and that transformative event formed a religion that preserved the contemporary culture. So I'm guessing all the 80s items are religious items, like how Catholicism has preserved a lot of ancient culture, like Mary paintings and whatnot. It's not a bad premise, in and of itself, although a bit silly. These CDs aren't there because they don't have anything better, they're there as part of worship. That's my read, anyway.

That would be so cool… to bad is not in the trailer and we need Neil needing to say “is about religion you guys!”.

[DocWager]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/astro-%E2%80%93-a-goty-winning-non-binary-icon.1060875/

Wow… Its like a shitty GamePro article written with new modern lingo. 

Why are all the mods gaslighting trolls in that place?

[Snoopy]

I can’t think of a clearer sign that ree mod is little more than a role playing, larping idiot than his comparison to the culture around Judy Garland and fucking Astrobot