Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[JoeBoy101]

They are raging in this thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98win-or-lose%E2%80%99-streaming-series.1063782/

Always amusing how 1% of the population at most demands representation in every form of media.

"When it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we recognize that many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline."

At a younger age is even better. This isn't complicated stuff.

It isn’t? 

“Well Jimmy, sometimes a boy is born, but really is a girl.”
“Then why was he a boy?”
“She, Jimmy. And sometimes nature is wrong.”
“Like when people are born left handed?”
“No, Jimmy. That’s different and that makes up who they are. Being born the wrong gender is when nature messes up.”
“So nature is wrong… sometimes?”
“That’s right, Jimmy! You got it!”
“How do you know when it’s wrong?”
“When someone says it’s wrong.”
“So, I can say it’s wrong and be a tiger?”
“No, that’s ridiculous, Jimmy.”
“But why?”

…

“Go to your room.”

[DavidCroquet]

It seems fucking weird to me to try and attack Disney park fans in this, many of which have giant LGBTQ+ circles and have already had to endure shit like Disney's whole fumble and war with DeSantis.

While you can argue that you shouldn't give Disney money in general, it's extremely hard to divorce the LGBTQ+ community that's formed within Disney and are literally throughout the parks. In fact, that's the community that needs to make their voices heard louder than ever right now.

Their closest competitor literally has entire sections of all their nearby parks dedicated to a brand by someone who uses her billions to attack trans people.

Going to Disney parks may put the money in the pockets of a shitty company, as does basically every other form of spending money on this planet, but I don't think throwing away something that's a cornerstone for some LGBTQ+ people or trying to guilt trip them for wanting to get lost in that escapism, especially as the current world feels like its collapsing in at all sides, is the way forward.

So yea, trying to paint people who go to Disney parks as "red flags" is probably not the best idea.

Encourage people to boycott Disney though, by all accounts!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar’s-‘win-or-lose’-streaming-series.1063782/page-2#post-133136577

Yes the well known group of theme park fans… LGBTQ people! 

For my money the punchline here is 

"Don't attack Disney Parks fans! But encouraging a boycott is fine, obviously..."

[Uncle]

Hair equity for actors. Amazing.

I mean I get it that black hair has specific needs and if a tv show or movie stylist isn't versed in it, they could do it wrong or damage it

seems like something that can be resolved without nationwide screeching and wailing

[garamonde]

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

he still watched the show

[Uncle]

"When it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we recognize that many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline."

At a younger age is even better. This isn't complicated stuff.

It isn’t? 

“Well Jimmy, sometimes a boy is born, but really is a girl.”
“Then why was he a boy?”
“She, Jimmy. And sometimes nature is wrong.”
“Like when people are born left handed?”
“No, Jimmy. That’s different and that makes up who they are. Being born the wrong gender is when nature messes up.”
“So nature is wrong… sometimes?”
“That’s right, Jimmy! You got it!”
“How do you know when it’s wrong?”
“When someone says it’s wrong.”
“So, I can say it’s wrong and be a tiger?”
“No, that’s ridiculous, Jimmy.”
“But why?”

…

“Go to your room.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=reddit+my+son+is+bigoted

[Steven Snell]

That Minthara character who is in every fucking thread. What was their name previously?

[kaleidoscopium]

Yep. She goes to the women's bathroom but her voice seems to accidentally crack while talking to another kid which sets off her dysphoria, which is further exacerbated by her dad calling her and misgendering/deadnaming her.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar’s-‘win-or-lose’-streaming-series.1063782/page-2#post-133137252

Totally normal not weird at all storyline for a kids show… 

[DavidCroquet]

What does "sets off her dysphoria" mean btw? Is it like when something "grinds my gears" or when I have a "bee in my bonnet"?

I am trying to learn.

[benita]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98win-or-lose%E2%80%99-streaming-series.1063782/page-2#post-133137432

oh it's a delicate conversation now is it? who the fuck are they to make that sweeping judgement….

call it what it is, a sheer lack of balls to do the right thing

[kaleidoscopium]

Using "many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline" as an excuse about PEOPLE THAT EXISTS IN THE REAL WORLD is such a weird decision

Literally the same thing happened with gay people. "This is a sensitive subject that shouldn't be shown to kids till parents can properly explain it"

And it is much weirder in this case since trans kids can be much more visibly trans than gay kids can be visibly gay as kids.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar’s-‘win-or-lose’-streaming-series.1063782/page-3#post-133137903

Why/how do you know the “gender” and “sexual” identity of children, Platy?

[DavidCroquet]

And it is much weirder in this case since trans kids can be much more visibly trans than gay kids can be visibly gay as kids.

trans is to gay as gay is to straight.

which is to say that trans is like if gay was multiplied by a jillion. 

specifically i mean that gay people are less gay than trans people.

to explain more fully: it may defy your assumptions, but on the pyramid of gay, trans is at the top, then under that is gay, then straight at the bottom. 

trans is like if a gay person were black.

[HaughtyFrank]

Hair equity for actors. Amazing.

I mean I get it that black hair has specific needs and if a tv show or movie stylist isn't versed in it, they could do it wrong or damage it

seems like something that can be resolved without nationwide screeching and wailing

Also seems dumb to use this as an explanation why the videogame character is bald. Since it's a videogame it's actually an opportunity to give her the most amazing hairstyles out there.

[HaughtyFrank]

Wait, is Famiboards even more autistic than ERA? 

May I link you to one of the most hilarious posts on this entire website?

https://thebore.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=3&pid=89491#pid89491

Famiboards is a riot

edit: lol, this also happened in the switch 2 speculation thread

[kaleidoscopium]

And it is much weirder in this case since trans kids can be much more visibly trans than gay kids can be visibly gay as kids.

trans is to gay as gay is to straight.

which is to say that trans is like if gay was multiplied by a jillion. 

specifically i mean that gay people are less gay than trans people.

to explain more fully: it may defy your assumptions, but on the pyramid of gay, trans is at the top, then under that is gay, then straight at the bottom. 

trans is like if a gay person were black.

Dice is right, this is not complicated and children are definitely ready to learn about it 

[Boredfrom]

Going to Disney parks may put the money in the pockets of a shitty company, as does basically every other form of spending money on this planet, but I don't think throwing away something that's a cornerstone for some LGBTQ+ people or trying to guilt trip them for wanting to get lost in that escapism, especially as the current world feels like its collapsing in at all sides, is the way forward.

[DavidCroquet]

And it is much weirder in this case since trans kids can be much more visibly trans than gay kids can be visibly gay as kids.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I keep coming back to this post and I apologize. It's so absurd that it got stuck in my brain.

[malfoyking]

They should teach their own children that shit. Dont force that on everyone's child. The moment they understand that it's not LGBTQ stuff that some parents have a problem with, it's when they add their Gender Identity cult-"Its how you feel"-shit, that is what is stupid as hell and fuck no it shouldn't be taught everywhere.

[Boredfrom]

Yep. She goes to the women's bathroom but her voice seems to accidentally crack while talking to another kid which sets off her dysphoria, which is further exacerbated by her dad calling her and misgendering/deadnaming her.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar’s-‘win-or-lose’-streaming-series.1063782/page-2#post-133137252

Totally normal not weird at all storyline for a kids show… 

Some Disney Executive deserves a rise for banning that.  

Like, WTF with that storyline.

[DavidCroquet]

Going to Disney parks may put the money in the pockets of a shitty company, as does basically every other form of spending money on this planet, but I don't think throwing away something that's a cornerstone for some LGBTQ+ people or trying to guilt trip them for wanting to get lost in that escapism, especially as the current world feels like its collapsing in at all sides, is the way forward.

Let 👏 Erans 👏 discuss 👏 The 👏 Wizarding 👏 World 👏

[Mask]

As someone that abandoned those forums ages ago, I'm honestly impressed that any people here have the will to sift through all the drivel those people post. The degradation of these popular forums over time has been sad to see, one could of course say this was the natural evolution of these places but I don't believe it. 

This was the result of years of moderators forgetting their duty to defend their most knowledgeable yet humble posters, and to do their best to apply rules equally whenever possible. Instead, they furiously defend and cover for some of the worst of humanity I've ever laid eyes on, and carve out constant exceptions with no benefit other than to assuage their own self-guilt because they may have made off-color jokes as teenagers.

In any reasonable forum or even IRC/Discord, someone like PlanetSmasher would have been wiped from existence within 24 hours for quite literally ruining every topic he enters with pointless, whiny rambling, just as one example...But the moderators have had their focus and duties so twisted and corrupted that they are incapable of even making such a simple judgment.

[Daffy Duck]

Yep. She goes to the women's bathroom but her voice seems to accidentally crack while talking to another kid which sets off her dysphoria, which is further exacerbated by her dad calling her and misgendering/deadnaming her.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-from-pixar’s-‘win-or-lose’-streaming-series.1063782/page-2#post-133137252

Totally normal not weird at all storyline for a kids show… 

What does "sets off her dysphoria" mean btw? Is it like when something "grinds my gears" or when I have a "bee in my bonnet"?

I am trying to learn.

Do these people seriously think a kid is going to understand all this bullshit? Like, seriously, stop for a second and take off your homebrew HRT spectacles and think about is going on here and you think a silly kid will get what’s being discussed?

[benita]

As someone that abandoned those forums ages ago,

One might say you went........ Mask off

 

[HaughtyFrank]

As someone that abandoned those forums ages ago, I'm honestly impressed that any people here have the will to sift through all the drivel those people post. The degradation of these popular forums over time has been sad to see, one could of course say this was the natural evolution of these places but I don't believe it. 

This was the result of years of moderators forgetting their duty to defend their most knowledgeable yet humble posters, and to do their best to apply rules equally whenever possible. Instead, they furiously defend and cover for some of the worst of humanity I've ever laid eyes on, and carve out constant exceptions with no benefit other than to assuage their own self-guilt because they may have made off-color jokes as teenagers.

In any reasonable forum or even IRC/Discord, someone like PlanetSmasher would have been wiped from existence within 24 hours for quite literally ruining every topic he enters with pointless, whiny rambling, just as one example...But the moderators have had their focus and duties so twisted and corrupted that they are incapable of even making such a simple judgment.

I've long thought that a surprising amount of the forum could be fixed if you banned like 10-20 constant troublemakers

[Snoopy]

To be fair, if an adult without kids said they were going on holiday to Disney world people would think they were gay

[Jansen]

[Jansen]

To be fair, if an adult without kids said they were going on holiday to Disney world people would think they were gay

I went to Disney world last year for 8 days and I don't have any kids 

[TylenolJones]

Yeah I’m okay calling anyone who goes to a Disney park a queer hating fascist. Do better like giving the money you spent on all the tickets to Melody Shreds instead!

[Mask]

I've long thought that a surprising amount of the forum could be fixed if you banned like 10-20 constant troublemakers

Death by a thousand cuts, you need a critical mass of knowledgeable and humorous posters (or both, at best) to fill the vacuum that will never come back now that the ideologues and the reactionaries run the show.

I'm no stranger to self-loathing and/or narcissistic moderators and admins, but once these types decided that they were the vanguards of the greater good in all of society, the corrosion was unstoppable. And this is something I realized over two decades ago, time flies...

It sounds devastating but the reality of what we are left with are a group of infantile ignorant types who (I guess) are fun to watch in a horrifying way.

[Uncle]

Going to Disney parks may put the money in the pockets of a shitty company, as does basically every other form of spending money on this planet

what if I donate money to melody shreds

[Uncle]

What does "sets off her dysphoria" mean btw? Is it like when something "grinds my gears" or when I have a "bee in my bonnet"?

I am trying to learn.

I assume visually represented like this just traumatic instead of nostalgic