Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[kaleidoscopium]

Waiting for the tards to acknowledge this

Awfully quiet now that someone did lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tesla-cybertruck-explodes-at-the-entrance-to-trump-international-hotel-in-las-vegas-driver-killed-7-others-injured.1072290/page-6#post-133721211

[BananaBlast]

And there was absolutely no way I was ever signing up on Kiwi Farms, one of the worst places on the entire internet.

truthfully it is just a website

when I was on gaf and people talked in hushed tones about that bad evil website thebore, and then gaf died and I found my way there to laugh at the ashes, I realized it was a fun place where people could be honest, and I had been lied to, which was illuminating

and it made me wonder what else I have been lied to about, and it turns out it's the same for kiwi

4chan, 8chan/8kun whatever are much worse, kf has rules and is meant to be sfw, you will find all kinds of legitimate discussion of topics forbidden on reddit like studies about trans shit that get buried and hushed up

don't be intimidated by people saying naughty words, you can roll your eyes and ignore it just like people used to on xbox live

their resetera thread is tamer and slower than here

With all due respect, I must disagree. To me it's pretty clear that KF represents some of the worst of the internet has to offer. Now by "worst", I don't mean that I think it's on the level of a site that deals in CP, human trafficking, or gore. Rather, I mean that it's among the worst in terms of having a toxic userbase. Simply put, I believe there are some things that just go way too far in terms of taste, ethics, and morals. It's more or less on the same level of 4chan or 8chan, just with a few more rules in place, more regulation, and user accountability.

[benji]

I can't imagine what those are. What even is toxic over there? Especially compared to a site with an actual toxic userbase like ResetERA.com or Bluesky. There's hardly any fighting or undermining of discussion that I've seen. Maybe I just don't know about and haven't looked in the best threads.

Maybe their boring low brow racism would strike me more as "toxic" and "unethical" if every site anyone will name as superior like the above two or Twitter wasn't and hasn't been awash in "acceptable" racism forever. And I'm not talking about towards whites, who deserve it.

[Boredfrom]

guy tries to kill people by blowing up a tesla in front of a building and Era laughs and makes jokes. Disgusting.

Imaging bombing your terror attack because you wanted to use a cybertruck for the symbolic effect…

that's not even a joke though, almost seems like this event ends up being an advertisement for its durability

 

The average viewer is seeing (and caring about) how good it exploded, not that it could have been worse with other cars. 

Getting worried about Musk and Tesla reputation is like Booshka trying to ban cars in the other terror attack thread.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Kiwifarms is toxic? It's pretty wholesome to me by early 2000 Internet standards. Null doesn't allow illegal activities and the moderation actually does work, unlike the Chan boards. You can't make death threats on Kiwifarms, but you can on Bluesky and Twitter.

[benji]

I disagree less with any criticism of Kiwi Farms than I do with the "allusion" that the rest of us are somehow blatantly superior in some obvious way. Especially in terms of morals and ethics. Strip away their love of slurs and the discussion on the Kiwi Farms is I think far more moral and ethical than ResetERA.com even if there's a similar low level of dissent. I certainly can't think of a defense of Twitter (and now Bluesky) that wouldn't apply for them. Especially considering the number of sociopaths and frauds who thrive on those.

[D3RANG3D]

Happy Year of the Chud! as foretold by Metokur...prepare those cheeks for project 2025!

[Uncle]

To me it's pretty clear that KF represents some of the worst of the internet has to offer. Now by "worst", I don't mean that I think it's on the level of a site that deals in CP, human trafficking, or gore.

so...not actually the worst then

It's more or less on the same level of 4chan or 8chan, just with a few more rules in place, more regulation, and user accountability.

so...not actually on the same level

I feel like it's worse when people are disingenuous to your face on twitter or reddit, like they literally actually are virulently antisemitic and couch it in "from the river to the sea" acceptable racism, vs. when people say "lol (((jews)))" and are either joking or just stupid, it's LESS insidious that way and easy to dismiss/ignore

it's crazy to me that you might say "yeah everyone at bluesky is cheering for a murderer and calling for more murders, but at least they're not doing it in a toxic way, which is what's more important"

[BananaBlast]

Toxic doesn't mean fighting amongst each other, or having to adhere to an echochamber. Toxic can mean just overall unpleasant and filthy to wade around in. It's filled with some of the most miserable, autistic, A-logging doomers out there. Sure, certain aspects are like the complete opposite of Twitter or Bluesky, I guess I can say it allows true free speech, but the horrid stench is still familiar.

I disagree less with any criticism of Kiwi Farms than I do with the "allusion" that the rest of us are somehow blatantly superior in some obvious way. Especially in terms of morals and ethics. Strip away their love of slurs and the discussion on the Kiwi Farms is I think far more moral and ethical than ResetERA.com even if there's a similar low level of dissent. I certainly can't think of a defense of Twitter (and now Bluesky) that wouldn't apply for them. Especially considering the number of sociopaths and frauds who thrive on those.

Holy shit man, really? I'm not going to say anything in defense of Resetera, since part of me feels like they're just the embodiment of the Horseshoe theory. But as for Kiwi Farms, there's definitely a bunch of actual sociopaths and autistic edgelords who make it very clear that they don't care about coming across as decent human beings. It has never been a website concerned with the personal boundaries or taste, unless it's to make themselves look good so they don't get taken offline again. At the very least, I'd say some KF users are definitely getting off on making lolcows as miserable as they possibly can, and would probably bust a nut if one livestreamed their suicide.

I'm pretty sure the Byuu situation (that SNES emulation developer who committed suicide and blamed KF) was something like that. Now listen, I don't think a band of cyberbullies should be held accountable for someone making the choice to kill themselves, but the fact they were all mocking the suicide immediately and then denying that the person had actually died, even years later, means that there's no shred of empathy there. All I can say is that's definitely toxic on some level.

[Uncle]

I'm pretty sure the Byuu situation (that SNES emulation developer who committed suicide and blamed KF) was something like that.

he said "I'll pay you thousands of dollars to take down my thread or else I'll kill myself," how is that fair or reasonable? I think it's even illegal, a form of extortion? the thread was also a complete dud, with one idiot ranting about the guy and everyone else saying actually he seems chill and has made cool emulation stuff, it was practically nothing

is that really all it takes to make a person or site terrible? can I get whatever I want from you if I just threaten to kill myself? would resetera be as bad as kiwi if someone said "make nepenthe resign or I kill myself" and they refused? would twitter be as bad as kiwi if someone said "make musk resign or I kill myself" and they refused?

if it's the laughing about it that's bad, what do you say about the glee surrounding brian thompson's death?

the fact they were all mocking the suicide immediately and then denying that the person had actually died, even years later, means that there's no shred of empathy there.

claims that he was not dead were based on (lack of) evidence, japan files reports on foreigners who die within the country and he was never on the list, which was legitimately worth considering in this case

[benji]

Holy shit man, really? I'm not going to say anything in defense of Resetera, since part of me feels like they're just the embodiment of the Horseshoe theory.

So you say "holy shit" and ask "really?" Then agree with me?

[BananaBlast]

Oh, perhaps I must've misread something then. If you're essentially saying both KF and Resetera suck massive balls, then we're in full agreement there.

I'm pretty sure the Byuu situation (that SNES emulation developer who committed suicide and blamed KF) was something like that.

he said "I'll pay you thousands of dollars to take down my thread or else I'll kill myself," how is that fair or reasonable? I think it's even illegal, a form of extortion? the thread was also a complete dud, with one idiot ranting about the guy and everyone else saying actually he seems chill and has made cool emulation stuff, it was practically nothing

is that really all it takes to make a person or site terrible? can I get whatever I want from you if I just threaten to kill myself? would resetera be as bad as kiwi if someone said "make nepenthe resign or I kill myself" and they refused? would twitter be as bad as kiwi if someone said "make musk resign or I kill myself" and they refused?

if it's the laughing about it that's bad, what do you say about the glee surrounding brian thompson's death?

the fact they were all mocking the suicide immediately and then denying that the person had actually died, even years later, means that there's no shred of empathy there.

claims that he was not dead were based on (lack of) evidence, japan files reports on foreigners who die within the country and he was never on the list, which was legitimately worth considering in this case

You know what? You're probably more correct since I'm really just going off memory from the aftermath of that situation. I remember the controversy elsewhere, and briefly seeing KF posters deny any involvement, while also laughing their asses off. I wasn't aware Byuu threatened suicide as blackmail beforehand, so the extortion angle makes it more muddier.

That being said, I don't think death and suicide should be taken so lightly that people should glorify mocking it, and KF is definitely the type of site that furiously masturbates over people they dislike dying. I guess my point is, if a dude actually kills themselves and cites your cyberbully thread as the root cause, regardless of who the blame falls on, celebrating and making offensive edgelord cracks at a real person's demise is just a sign of a toxic cesspool. I would understand if the dude was a terrible criminal or something, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[benji]

I wasn't saying that, I was saying that I don't find Kiwi Farms to be uniquely immoral or unethical versus most forums I would suspect people would name. ResetERA.com was but one example. Another would be The Bire, it would be hubris to assume we're so clearly and obviously superior as a group. ResetERA.com for one would disagree and consider us far worse. They haven't called the police on Kiwi Farms after all, instead the staff publicly mock them for being pathetic and harmless. I think the average Twitter user would not see much difference. Indeed, there are many members here who regularly express that they find our forum just as bad. It wasn't too long ago that a member publicly stormed off because of our constant bigotry and Trump loving. In any case I wouldn't want to hang my moral or ethical hat on the fact that we don't say unpopular slurs. If anything The Bire's only easy to consider so because the population is vastly smaller, if it grew we would add many more members willing to celebrate death and violence over the handful we have now.

I guess my point is, if a dude actually kills themselves and cites your cyberbully thread as the root cause

But he didn't. He said, as he had for many years before, that the harassment was from people in the emulation and retro community. His vague charge against Kiwi Farms was that it somehow made it worse. His actual harassers were able to skate by without fault to this day.

Proper due process is an important part of any ethical and moral system. We should stick to it perhaps most especially when the target is considered distasteful since everyone else will have no problem casting it aside.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

You can't tell the admin to eat your fucking dick on Resetera, but you can on the Bire and Kiwifarms. 

[Daffy Duck]

Oh, perhaps I must've misread something then. If you're essentially saying both KF and Resetera suck massive balls, then we're in full agreement there.

I'm pretty sure the Byuu situation (that SNES emulation developer who committed suicide and blamed KF) was something like that.

he said "I'll pay you thousands of dollars to take down my thread or else I'll kill myself," how is that fair or reasonable? I think it's even illegal, a form of extortion? the thread was also a complete dud, with one idiot ranting about the guy and everyone else saying actually he seems chill and has made cool emulation stuff, it was practically nothing

is that really all it takes to make a person or site terrible? can I get whatever I want from you if I just threaten to kill myself? would resetera be as bad as kiwi if someone said "make nepenthe resign or I kill myself" and they refused? would twitter be as bad as kiwi if someone said "make musk resign or I kill myself" and they refused?

if it's the laughing about it that's bad, what do you say about the glee surrounding brian thompson's death?

the fact they were all mocking the suicide immediately and then denying that the person had actually died, even years later, means that there's no shred of empathy there.

claims that he was not dead were based on (lack of) evidence, japan files reports on foreigners who die within the country and he was never on the list, which was legitimately worth considering in this case

You know what? You're probably more correct since I'm really just going off memory from the aftermath of that situation. I remember the controversy elsewhere, and briefly seeing KF posters deny any involvement, while also laughing their asses off. I wasn't aware Byuu threatened suicide as blackmail beforehand, so the extortion angle makes it more muddier.

That being said, I don't think death and suicide should be taken so lightly that people should glorify mocking it, and KF is definitely the type of site that furiously masturbates over people they dislike dying. I guess my point is, if a dude actually kills themselves and cites your cyberbully thread as the root cause, regardless of who the blame falls on, celebrating and making offensive edgelord cracks at a real person's demise is just a sign of a toxic cesspool. I would understand if the dude was a terrible criminal or something, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Have at look at some Era death threads, in this regard they are no different

[Potato]

I can't imagine what those are. What even is toxic over there? Especially compared to a site with an actual toxic userbase like ResetERA.com or Bluesky. There's hardly any fighting or undermining of discussion that I've seen. Maybe I just don't know about and haven't looked in the best threads.

Maybe their boring low brow racism would strike me more as "toxic" and "unethical" if every site anyone will name as superior like the above two or Twitter wasn't and hasn't been awash in "acceptable" racism forever. And I'm not talking about towards whites, who deserve it.

I first became aware of Kiwi Farms when that nutcase shot 50+ Muslims in the mosques in New Zealand and there was all that controversy around Kiwi hosting (did they host or just link?) the videos and refusing to take them down. 

Kind of coloured my impressions of the people there for a long time.

My impressions since is that they're pretty typical internet edgelords with a bit of a code of ethics. I have nothing good nor bad to say about them. I think we're a slightly more tasteful community and we have bigger hogs.

[Potato]

You can't tell the admin to eat your fucking dick on Resetera, but you can on the Bire and Kiwifarms. 

But what about all of my arse?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

You can't tell the admin to eat your fucking dick on Resetera, but you can on the Bire and Kiwifarms. 

But what about all of my arse?

B-dubs never made that comment. There is no proof from the WEBSITE. Screenshots DO NOT COUNT as they can be FAKED!

[Potato]

You can't tell the admin to eat your fucking dick on Resetera, but you can on the Bire and Kiwifarms. 

But what about all of my arse?

B-dubs never made that comment. There is no proof from the WEBSITE. Screenshots DO NOT COUNT as they can be FAKED!

Nep never edited the quoted text though.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Who are you going to believe? B-dubs or his master?

[Blueball]

Toxic doesn't mean fighting amongst each other, or having to adhere to an echochamber. Toxic can mean just overall unpleasant and filthy to wade around in. It's filled with some of the most miserable, autistic, A-logging doomers out there. Sure, certain aspects are like the complete opposite of Twitter or Bluesky, I guess I can say it allows true free speech, but the horrid stench is still familiar.

I disagree less with any criticism of Kiwi Farms than I do with the "allusion" that the rest of us are somehow blatantly superior in some obvious way. Especially in terms of morals and ethics. Strip away their love of slurs and the discussion on the Kiwi Farms is I think far more moral and ethical than ResetERA.com even if there's a similar low level of dissent. I certainly can't think of a defense of Twitter (and now Bluesky) that wouldn't apply for them. Especially considering the number of sociopaths and frauds who thrive on those.

Holy shit man, really? I'm not going to say anything in defense of Resetera, since part of me feels like they're just the embodiment of the Horseshoe theory. But as for Kiwi Farms, there's definitely a bunch of actual sociopaths and autistic edgelords who make it very clear that they don't care about coming across as decent human beings. 

Holy shit, dude. You’re talking about someone who has created two forums and posted over 2,000 messages obsessing over ResetEra. He regularly doxxes his members.

Of course, he’d get along with a forum full of sociopathic stalkers and /pol/-adjacent culture. Do you really think normal people spend all their online time having imaginary conversations about ResetEra on other forums?

[Potato]

Two forums? Where is this other Benji forum you speak of?

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/when-my-dog-licks-me-is-it-for-kisses-or-to-taste-my-flesh.1072491/#post-133727559

While I'm attracted to (some) humans, why is it that I like dogs and cats licking my face but I don't like it when humans do?

 

[nampad]

Toxic doesn't mean fighting amongst each other, or having to adhere to an echochamber. Toxic can mean just overall unpleasant and filthy to wade around in. It's filled with some of the most miserable, autistic, A-logging doomers out there. Sure, certain aspects are like the complete opposite of Twitter or Bluesky, I guess I can say it allows true free speech, but the horrid stench is still familiar.

I disagree less with any criticism of Kiwi Farms than I do with the "allusion" that the rest of us are somehow blatantly superior in some obvious way. Especially in terms of morals and ethics. Strip away their love of slurs and the discussion on the Kiwi Farms is I think far more moral and ethical than ResetERA.com even if there's a similar low level of dissent. I certainly can't think of a defense of Twitter (and now Bluesky) that wouldn't apply for them. Especially considering the number of sociopaths and frauds who thrive on those.

Holy shit man, really? I'm not going to say anything in defense of Resetera, since part of me feels like they're just the embodiment of the Horseshoe theory. But as for Kiwi Farms, there's definitely a bunch of actual sociopaths and autistic edgelords who make it very clear that they don't care about coming across as decent human beings. 

Holy shit, dude. You’re talking about someone who has created two forums and posted over 2,000 messages obsessing over ResetEra. He regularly doxxes his members.

Of course, he’d get along with a forum full of sociopathic stalkers and /pol/-adjacent culture. Do you really think normal people spend all their online time having imaginary conversations about ResetEra on other forums?

😂

[Potato]

Is Blueball going to blueball us and not come back to chat retarera?

[garamonde]

Memes and jokes aside, I wanna believe that no one or most people in here don't wanna see the type of retarded stuff you see on KF or 4chan. 

It's a spectrum, like ERA.

At the bottom you have entremet creating daily threads for no reason. In the middle PlanetSmasher obsessing and saying the most negative things about everything. And at the top, you have Melody, Echoes, Two Hearts, etc... that are far gone and closely reach lolcow status. It's a mess. 

This place is probably in the middle, or a bit below it.

[Besticus Maximus]

Forumming about forumming about forumming 

[DocWager]

Toxic doesn't mean fighting amongst each other, or having to adhere to an echochamber. Toxic can mean just overall unpleasant and filthy to wade around in. It's filled with some of the most miserable, autistic, A-logging doomers out there. Sure, certain aspects are like the complete opposite of Twitter or Bluesky, I guess I can say it allows true free speech, but the horrid stench is still familiar.

I disagree less with any criticism of Kiwi Farms than I do with the "allusion" that the rest of us are somehow blatantly superior in some obvious way. Especially in terms of morals and ethics. Strip away their love of slurs and the discussion on the Kiwi Farms is I think far more moral and ethical than ResetERA.com even if there's a similar low level of dissent. I certainly can't think of a defense of Twitter (and now Bluesky) that wouldn't apply for them. Especially considering the number of sociopaths and frauds who thrive on those.

Holy shit man, really? I'm not going to say anything in defense of Resetera, since part of me feels like they're just the embodiment of the Horseshoe theory. But as for Kiwi Farms, there's definitely a bunch of actual sociopaths and autistic edgelords who make it very clear that they don't care about coming across as decent human beings. 

Holy shit, dude. You’re talking about someone who has created two forums and posted over 2,000 messages obsessing over ResetEra. He regularly doxxes his members.

Of course, he’d get along with a forum full of sociopathic stalkers and /pol/-adjacent culture. Do you really think normal people spend all their online time having imaginary conversations about ResetEra on other forums?

Not even one “Like”. That’s a record right there. 

Damn, you woke up that early, and started an account here just because your feelings have been hurt as an Era person. You must have been tossing, and turning in your sleep thinking about The Bire.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Guys, is horse shit or pig shit worse? Let's discuss

[Potato]

Toxic doesn't mean fighting amongst each other, or having to adhere to an echochamber. Toxic can mean just overall unpleasant and filthy to wade around in. It's filled with some of the most miserable, autistic, A-logging doomers out there. Sure, certain aspects are like the complete opposite of Twitter or Bluesky, I guess I can say it allows true free speech, but the horrid stench is still familiar.

Holy shit man, really? I'm not going to say anything in defense of Resetera, since part of me feels like they're just the embodiment of the Horseshoe theory. But as for Kiwi Farms, there's definitely a bunch of actual sociopaths and autistic edgelords who make it very clear that they don't care about coming across as decent human beings. 

Holy shit, dude. You’re talking about someone who has created two forums and posted over 2,000 messages obsessing over ResetEra. He regularly doxxes his members.

Of course, he’d get along with a forum full of sociopathic stalkers and /pol/-adjacent culture. Do you really think normal people spend all their online time having imaginary conversations about ResetEra on other forums?

Not even one “Like”. That’s a record right there. 

Damn, you woke up that early, and started an account here just because your feelings have been hurt as an Era person. You must have been tossing, and turning in your sleep thinking about The Bire.

He (they/them?) was tossing alright...just not while sleeping.