Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Members only thread. A certain comedy legend had to make it about him/them somehow

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-makes-game-forums-so-male-dominated.771803/page-9#post-113185967

That said, I agree with you entirely. So many people just assume the absolute worst of everyone, regardless of the topic they're discussing. Doesn't matter if it's video games, TV or anything else - a lot of folks are just WAITING for a "gotcha" to pounce on. And it really does make discussion poisonous when it feels like nobody actually wants to talk about anything, but rather just...they want to be seen having an opinion and then get really upset if someone doesn't share it.
And they get even more upset if the person who doesn't share their opinion is a woman, a queer person, a person of color or some combination of the above.

Jeez, another prominent member complaining about ResetERA.com. It's just so awful there's nothing that can be done.

Messy on the thread. Repeat. Messy on the thread.

Here's a brief rundown of the history by Lonerbox (white British leftist youtuber) and Beaceprocess (Palestinian youtuber).

An hour long video. That doesn't actually cover the history according to its contents.

I looked at this guys channel and he has a video about how 4chan and World of Warcraft almost "radicalized" him because of course he does.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Also a thirty minute video about the "Weimar Fallacy" that seems to argue against something nobody said (allowing free speech prevents Nazis) and hinge its additional claim that the state suppressing minority speech protects democracy on the fact that when Hitler was personally banned from speaking the Nazis did worse in elections, ignoring that they were a completely new party and Hitler wasn't yet famous. The implication of the argument would be that no speech the state does not endorse should ever be allowed. Which the comments seem to be supporting:

@madeline6951
4 months ago
I think the issue with this whole discussion is in definition (as it always is, it seems). I'm all for freedom of speech. But political speech is not the same as regular talking, it is also an action. Political speech is inherently an act you impose onto the audience. Especially so in the cases where you explicitly deal with the distribution of violence. As soon as your speech starts affecting a disproportionate amount of people, it should be examined closely.

@swanpride
4 months ago
I think the issue is more with the definition of "freedom" in general. Freedom is a great concept, but complete freedom simply isn't possible because we don't life in a bubble. My personal freedom ends were I curtail the personal freedom of someone else - and the other way around. The same is true for speech. If free speech is used like a weapon in order to shut other people up and/or incite violence against them, it curtails free speech of the people attacked. Consequently in order to reach the ideal state of free speech possible, we need to draw the line at some point.

@littleferrhis
4 months ago (edited)
This is really one of the harder things for libertarians to come to terms and work with. An open absolutist Democracy is all well and good when most people want the right things out of it, but what happens when the people don’t want the right things? What happens when you have a society with an illness so widespread that its taken over the body and it needs to be forced out. Do you hold to your principles, call what is right subjective, and do what the society desires? Or do you go against your principles to fight for something you believe is morally right? Getting rid of the illness would be tyrannical and easily make you in the wrong, but could benefit society overtime.

@uniball5667
4 months ago
I agree with most of everything you said, except that making anti-democratic claims shouldn't be illegal and that it's vague. If someone is out there advocating for a system of government other than some form of democracy, it should be illegal. I mean, it's already illegal here in the U.S. for a state to establish a monarchy, so in my opinion it's completely reasonable to then make it illegal to advocate for a state to become a monarchy. I mean, the only reasonable conclusion to someone advocating for a system of government that is inherently illegal  is that they want to dismantle the democracy they live in so they can live in an illegal form of government. So, that's kind of inherently calling for violence which we all agree isn't protected.

@nachis04
4 months ago
Awesome video. I think one of the big problems is in the definition of speech in the free speech context. My rationale is that speech is not equal a sound made by the human mouth. Speech in this context should be regarded as well defined ideas, that can be rigorously defended within a specified set of parameters. If said idea fails to pass the rigour test, it should be modified or retracted altogether. The set of parameters could be defined democratically, and upheld by a democratically proportionally defined body. It would be a lot of work, but speech deserves it.

Oh, and drink:

@MouldMadeMind
4 months ago
To maximize tolerance you can't tolerate intolerance etc.

@joshuapfeil6181
4 months ago (edited)
I think the impact of power on free speech is largely missing from this conversation. Yes, there is a difference between words and actions, but when one group has more social power than another, allowing them to use hate speech against the less powerful group denies the powerless equal access to free speech because of the powerful's ability to control the conversation. If we want truly free speech, where every person has equal chance to say their piece, we not only can limit hate speech, but we must. Allowing hateful rhetoric but banning hateful behavior makes sense in a vacuum, but in the real world it serves to deny equal access to speech to those that need it most.

In the scientific community they say there's no such thing as paradoxes, because what they're actually doing is revealing flaws in the models we use to understand the world. I think the Paradox of Tolerance is no different. We can't tolerate intolerance or it will push out all other voices, and we see that reflected in the discomfort and silence forced upon queer communities and communities of color. For them to meaningfully have a voice, we have to deny a voice to hate.

Anyway, he sponsors this hilarious lazy dumbass shit on his videos: https://ground.news/

It's the classic CHUD improv comedy technique of "I agree, but" that they teach at Third Reich Comedy School

[Potato]

I thought it was understood that when we celebrate bans they are people that act like assholes or ban bait without anyone being allowed to even mock them or talk down to them (unless they piss off a mod). 

And that when we mock B-Dubs is because he has all the power of the world to change the forum culture but seems totally clueless on how to do it.

Sure, laughing at bans of people who are awful banbaiters is a fun pastime. But you're prescribing it as a solution to their problems, when "more bans" is definitely not what that forum needs to be not-terrible. The mods are absolutely the cause of the forum's problems, you're right about that, because they are constantly trying to regulate forum thought with bans instead of discourse.

I get what you're saying, but you can't regulate forum thought with discourse when the position of the moderation is usually absolute lunacy though...

[Boredfrom]

My Instagram feed is full of celebrities posting "I stand with Israel" pictures right now, and it kinda sucks.

I know you're not supposed to worship these people, but seeing Mark Hammil post this shit and then all of the replies are "so you didn't understand the plot of the movies you were in then?"

 

Do you? Do you understand the plot of the space wizards franchise?

Yeah that was disappointing. I hope he takes the time to listen and learn, but I doubt it.

“Gosh, like there was a terror attack with rape and murder, and he probably has more Jewish friends than Palestinians.”

[benji]

My Instagram feed is full of celebrities posting "I stand with Israel" pictures right now, and it kinda sucks.

I know you're not supposed to worship these people, but seeing Mark Hammil post this shit and then all of the replies are "so you didn't understand the plot of the movies you were in then?"

Are you saying the Rebellion shouldn't have rose up against the oppressor Empire/First Order???

[Boredfrom]

Also, using Star Wars as some barometer to compare IRL morality when the whole conflict is about evil space wizards and their armies vs good space wizards and their armies.

The most complex as it gets is the incompetence of the good wizards and Obi Wan saying a paradox (good ideas, terrible writing) “only Siths deal with absolutes”.

[Potato]

My Instagram feed is full of celebrities posting "I stand with Israel" pictures right now, and it kinda sucks.

I know you're not supposed to worship these people, but seeing Mark Hammil post this shit and then all of the replies are "so you didn't understand the plot of the movies you were in then?"

 

Do you? Do you understand the plot of the space wizards franchise?

Yeah that was disappointing. I hope he takes the time to listen and learn, but I doubt it.

“Gosh, like there was a terror attack with rape and murder, and he probably has more Jewish friends than Palestinians.”

Say what you want about the Galactic Empire, but at least the stormtroopers didn't rape a bunch of hot green chicks at a Tattoine rave festival...

[Boredfrom]

Like it's the standard answer to any kind of terrorist attack for people to say "I stand with ...". It's not meant to endorse the policies of the governments of the respective countries. Sure, it might be better to say "I stand with the ... people", but at this point you're being pedantic about a terrorist attack.

t’s because no one ever stands with Palestinian’s, even when they are being relentless bombarded and starved by Israel. So it seems a lot like an endorsement of Israel’s policies.

The European Union just backtracked their decision of deny aid to Gaza because some of its Nations complained about the unilateral decision. There was a Pro Palestine rally in New York (the place with the most Jewish population outside Israel). The biggest leftist streamer is acting like a hypocritical retard because he is a tankie pro Palestine. The whole reason why the discussion of Israel/Palestine is so hated is because there is people empathetic for them. Muslims are bigger in number than Jewish people. 

Stop the shitty victim complex because you don’t even care for the opinion of people living in the actual region.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Palpatine brought stability to the galaxy. Why should I care about green aliens with penises coming out of their heads?

[Snoopy]

After weighing up the pros and cons, the ins and outs, the histories of histories, I've decided I must stand with the hot chicks





It's the right thing to do

[HaughtyFrank]

Why the fuck they keep pretending that religion has nothing to do with this?

It's also funny that they talk a lot about racism towards brown people but never mention anti-Semitism

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Ramsay said:
And it certainly should not be difficult to show up to a pro-Palestinian rally and not wear swastikas or threaten to gas the Jews, because acting like neo-Nazis surely isn't going to legitimize the Palestinian resistance to the Israeli occupation.

AdamE
I don't trust that people doing this are actually genuine protestors. As history has shown it's not that hard to get bullshit actors joining in these crowds to try to delegitimize it. It requires a certain level of stupidity to go in waving swastikas and not realising this will harm your movement.

Just like how Antifa did Jan 6th.

[DocWager]

Had no idea The Guyver had anything to do with the underlining conflict.

[Not an Alt Account]

Looks like RLM is back on the menu, boys:

Really sounds like a pair of clueless old men. If only there was a very long running series that dealt with fighting demons/Satan/God in a not so Christian way... hmm.

Can't recall anything c;

And yeah there's a certain section that shows their White asses lol. Ugh

They always come through just when people start to suspect them of being progressive, lol.

First RLM video I have watched in years - possibly since they showed their asses reviewing Captain Marvel - and it's filled with Mike complaining about things being too woke and too inclusive. Yep. Back to not watching I go.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

If RLM dares to say anything negative about The Marvels I'm going to be so mad so help me GOD!

[Besticus Maximus]

As a galaxy class nerd I just cannot fathom the comic books for babies stuff. Aggravating in the extreme. Read a fucking book you cunts. Women don't have fucking powers, come to terms with it.

[Uncle]

watching it now

they bring up how the old lady says she wasn't allowed to see the exorcism "because of the patriarchy" as a shoehorned-in statement and then cut to this



which seems like a good fucken point?

[Not an Alt Account]

I also thought they were making fun of the "everything is woke now" crowd. But, nope. Evil whites strike again.

[Not an Alt Account]

Also: https://www.resetera.com/threads/tekken-8-alternate-outfits-have-been-datamined.773210/



For reasearch:

[Uncle]

I also thought they were making fun of the "everything is woke now" crowd. But, nope. Evil whites strike again.

yeah I think there's a lot of shorthand there that's only really understood from watching them for a long time?

- saying "it's woke" knowing full well that's a thing idiots say and not sincerely meaning it the way they do

- acknowledging that modern media is full of lowest common denominator pandering to demographics in a tiring, predictable, artless way

[kaleidoscopium]

And it certainly should not be difficult to show up to a pro-Palestinian rally and not wear swastikas or threaten to gas the Jews, because acting like neo-Nazis surely isn't going to legitimize the Palestinian resistance to the Israeli occupation.

I don't trust that people doing this are actually genuine protestors. As history has shown it's not that hard to get bullshit actors joining in these crowds to try to delegitimize it. It requires a certain level of stupidity to go in waving swastikas and not realising this will harm your movement.

So now we have verified users posting straight up conspiracy theories. Great site you're running here bdubs 🤣

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-including-attacks-and-kidnappings-of-civilians-israel-retaliates-with-massive-missile-attacks-against-civilian-targets-in-gaza.772478/page-36#post-113244278

Edit, his reply to being told he's retarded essentially 

That’s fair, I should have clarified that I don’t believe all of these people are paid actors etc. it just reminded me of what we saw during any BLM adjacent protests and that it is an effective tool to delegitimise a movement.
I don’t doubt that there are anti semites among them. It just comes across as extremely dumb to come out in a crowd that is predominantly a liberation movement and displaying some obvious anti Semitic shit.

[RetiredSkunk]

Yes, let's read the opinions of middle aged white incel men parading as progressives for the sole purpose that it helps ease the pain of their loneliness. Bullied out of sports, so this is the closest they get to the feeling of belonging.

I dunno about you guys, but I really need to know their opinion on a conflict that's been going on for most of their existence, and they can't even spell apartheid.

[HaughtyFrank]

I don’t doubt that there are anti semites among them. It just comes across as extremely dumb to come out in a crowd that is predominantly a liberation movement and displaying some obvious anti Semitic shit.

Should be some food for thought why that still happened and why the rest of the liberation movement present didn't really mind

[kaleidoscopium]

Feels like Resetera is a few days away from going full JQ/Holocaust denial. Going to be fun to see them try to spin it back, wackadoos over there

[Besticus Maximus]

The trajectory of all this is really quite bad and doesn't end with an Israeli flattening of Gaza. If I were a betting man I'd put money on that Resetera thread devolving into people defending others attacking jews abroad by the end of october.

Situation is so fucked up. If only there was strong leadership among the non-reactionary Israelis.

[RetiredSkunk]

Has anyone on Ree asked what the general concensus of same sex marriage is among residents of Gaza?

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Has anyone on Ree asked what the general concensus of same sex marriage is among residents of Gaza?

Wonder how they feel about the latest RLM video's comments on diversity in Exorcist: Believer

[Snoopy]

Waiting for B.Dub’s to start posting 9/11 conspiracy vids

[Uncle]

we must promote a culture of togetherheid 

[HaughtyFrank]

Moreover, it seems she's mostly using rappers and black men for viral moments. I have no issues with interviewing rappers, but interviewing mostly rappers after rapper as a demure and very young looking white woman turns my spidey sense on

She’s Ziwe if Ziwe were completely and utterly mediocre.

And I’m wondering why I constantly see her in Black spaces.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bobbi-althoff-is-gotta-be-one-of-the-strangest-internet-celebrities-journeys-in-a-while.773300/

[RetiredSkunk]

They really fucking hate women, my god.