Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[AldusMoneyPenny]

can't just be excited to see a major blockbuster film starring a pakistani/muslim teenage girl and have a good time, gotta be likened to a pig feasting on slop by other members of the community. definitely nothing islamophobic about that.

This sums up Marvel nerds perfectly. Every action movie I watched growing up was trash and I loved it, just admit you like eating the slop and move on there's no shame in it. I wish this forum existed when Double Team came out so we could see people get righteous over calling it slop and how it's actually very offensive that we're not praising a movie starring a black man and a Belgian immigrant.

It’s honestly hard to keep track of what’s kosher, err, halal. Some years ago Scarlett Johansson was planning a movie where she was set to play a trans woman. Big hissy fit and the entire project was scrapped. So, cis woman playing trans woman is bad. Cis woman playing trans man is bad. Trans woman playing cis woman is fine. Cis man playing trans woman is bad. But also cis woman playing cis man is fine, while cis man playing cis woman isn’t?

Don't forget the latest one (courtesy of Zelda thread) - you can't SUGGEST that a trans woman play a CIS man (no matter how androgynous that CIS man is), BUT if the trans woman expresses interest in playing that CIS man then it's ok and somehow liberating.


Edit: please fuel my vampire-like need for likes with some likes please

[Snoopy]

Mayim Bialik banned again from ree

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

DCU downfall? GADOT GENOCIDE SUPPORTER EZRA MILLER LOL  

MCU downfall? Um, excuse me..   

[AldusMoneyPenny]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/heinz-says-%E2%80%9Crunners-everywhere-are-using-heinz-ketchup-packets-on-their-runs.783890/

The resident comedians/dramaturges of ERA are bringing their A material in this thread

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Echoing the sentiment but the world tree imagery was maybe the most powerful image the MCU has ever used.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/loki-s2-ot-skin.770729/post-114757337

[PogiJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-early-box-office-prediction-is-50-75mil-domestic-opening-presales-72-behind-quantumania.774407/page-53#post-114750152

how much of this low key latent misogyny btw?

This drives me up the wall.

"How about instead of catering to men, we cater to women, because women don't like what men like?"

"Okay. Oh, looks like the men don't like it now."

"WHAAAAT?! How dare the men not like what the women like? They should like the same things now that we're targeting women!"

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

As an aside, the audience was even more male-skewed than the OG Captain Marvel, so they drove away women at an even larger rate than they drove away men.

[ComeAgain]

Looking like a sub 50 million OW based on the Friday numbers, puts it below The Flash

[Boredfrom]

The Flerkin scene was great, it had the energy I felt was missing from musical planet. Marvel just needs to be weird in space. You think they'd have learned from Guardians.

If assholes hadn't gone on a crusade against James Gunn and gotten him (temporarily) fired, he'd be running the whole cosmic side of Marvel right now. What a fumble.

Maybe if Disney was not so willing of throwing Gunn over the bus because “Disney Nice”.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

If Cancel Culture doesn't exist then why was James Gunn temporarily fired 

[Boredfrom]

Ms Marvel, basically the only thing that people agree on being good in the movie, is definitely going to return. At least in future ensemble projects, and probably as a lead.

Kamala feels like a breath of fresh air and based on how this film went it seems like they have a lot of plans for her. Unfortunately she hasn't been attached to anything that successful yet but I hope that doesn't cause them to change plans and drop her.

 

You guys understand that she has been pushed as hell for years, she is treated like she was the MCU version of Miles Morales and nobody seems to care beyond “hahaha she is quirky”.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Ms Marvel, basically the only thing that people agree on being good in the movie, is definitely going to return. At least in future ensemble projects, and probably as a lead.

Kamala feels like a breath of fresh air and based on how this film went it seems like they have a lot of plans for her. Unfortunately she hasn't been attached to anything that successful yet but I hope that doesn't cause them to change plans and drop her.

 

You guys understand that she has been pushed as hell for years, she is treated like she was the MCU version of Miles Morales and nobody seems to care beyond “hahaha she is quirky”.

Whenever I read anything about Kamala it comes with her being a muslim woman, she's "cute", quirky, etc. There's nothing else beyond that.

Snark aside, I actually read Kamala's Ms. Marvel when it came out. Kamala was actually an interesting character when she just protected her neighborhood at the start of her comic run but like all comics they push for team ups and cosmic scale shit and I fell off. I don't want to read a million other books to actually keep up with a character and the MCU is exactly that, not allowing standalone product and instead needing to have it all connected and hurts characters more than CHUDS ever could.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Wait. That reads too much like real commentary. I meant to reply with..

Kamala should be a lesbian with her hijabi girl sidekick because Islam needs more LGBTQIA representation!   GET ON IT, MARVEL!

[Boredfrom]

Ryan Gosling is WAY more popular with men. If anything the men that went to see Barbie went because they could see a guy that was their ideal fantasy self. How many dudes online have Ryan's incel 2049 character in their icons, or the Driver's scorpion getup. Incredibly smart casting.

 

Pls, dude, never write anything again.

Any woman I know went because it was a cross generational "event" movie targeted at women, not for the dudes in it. Same shit with Mamma Mia back in the day.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

While The Marvels wishes it targeted any generation with XX chromosomes.  

[ClothedMac]

Not banned on Musk-rat's hatex

[Boredfrom]

You think the post-Endgame superheroes are more interesting than those from Phase 1?

You think they've adequately replaced the star talent of the likes of Chris Evans, RDJ, Mark Ruffalo etc?

If you have to put words in my mouth while also changing how you framed those original statement, I think you already realized how silly they were.

These are not "worse superheroes". Captain Marvel is not any "worse" than Iron Man or Captain America or Thor. They're all headliners in the comics. Ms Marvel was at one point a character with one of the most successful debut books in modern times, outselling Iron Man or Cap books at the time.

These actors also don't have "worse acting talent". Brie Larson is an Oscar-winner. Iman Vellani nailed it on her first ever on-screen acting gig with the Ms Marvel TV show and now this movie as her second.

So if you think these are "worse superheroes" with "worse acting talent", you're either greatly mistaken, or you have some other reason to think they're "worse" and I wonder what that is.

[Boredfrom]

I think people used to care about Carol more when she was Ms Marvel and Kamala Khan is so popular that constantly gets cancelled and is reduced to kill her to make Spider Man angst harder (and later revive her as a mutant because X-MEN X-MEN X-MEN).

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

X-Men? Sorry, but when do the Men actually do anything? 

[HaughtyFrank]

I think MCU Ms. Marvel also shows how Marvel isn't willing to put in the work anymore. I don't believe for a second that anyone in the MCU world would be a huge captain marvel fan and have like a fan girl room and all that shit. Literally all the people in the MCU know is that she once showed up to punch Thanos, a fight where everyone else also showed up to punch Thanos. 
Marvel would have needed a movie or show where Carol actually gets to be a hero but they were lazy and wanted to jump right away to the Kamala character

[Potato]

Clearly sub-60 fps. No buy.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-early-box-office-prediction-is-50-75mil-domestic-opening-presales-72-behind-quantumania.774407/page-53#post-114740240

Are the trans folx being counted as men or women in this? 

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-the-marvels-hovers-around-6m-thursday-night-box-office.783836/page-9#post-114760280

Doesn't help that Disney openly support Israel and giving donations to fuel their genocidal run, which lead to many people boycotting their products.

Now we’re cookin!

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-the-marvels-hovers-around-6m-thursday-night-box-office.783836/page-9#post-114760280

Doesn't help that Disney openly support Israel and giving donations to fuel their genocidal run, which lead to many people boycotting their products.

Now we’re cookin!

Took them a few days but I guess Marvel was given a pass.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I think MCU Ms. Marvel also shows how Marvel isn't willing to put in the work anymore. I don't believe for a second that anyone in the MCU world would be a huge captain marvel fan and have like a fan girl room and all that shit. Literally all the people in the MCU know is that she once showed up to punch Thanos, a fight where everyone else also showed up to punch Thanos. 
Marvel would have needed a movie or show where Carol actually gets to be a hero but they were lazy and wanted to jump right away to the Kamala character

Bingo. it's more believable in comics but MCU Carol doesn't do shit on Earth.

[Potato]

Ms Marvel, basically the only thing that people agree on being good in the movie, is definitely going to return. At least in future ensemble projects, and probably as a lead.

Kamala feels like a breath of fresh air and based on how this film went it seems like they have a lot of plans for her. Unfortunately she hasn't been attached to anything that successful yet but I hope that doesn't cause them to change plans and drop her.

 

You guys understand that she has been pushed as hell for years, she is treated like she was the MCU version of Miles Morales and nobody seems to care beyond “hahaha she is quirky”.

Whenever I read anything about Kamala it comes with her being a muslim woman, she's "cute", quirky, etc. There's nothing else beyond that.

Snark aside, I actually read Kamala's Ms. Marvel when it came out. Kamala was actually an interesting character when she just protected her neighborhood at the start of her comic run but like all comics they push for team ups and cosmic scale shit and I fell off. I don't want to read a million other books to actually keep up with a character and the MCU is exactly that, not allowing standalone product and instead needing to have it all connected and hurts characters more than CHUDS ever could.

This is why comic books suck. They can't just keep something normal nerdy, they always gotta go extreme ultra nerdy. 

The multiverse concept is fun for about 3 minutes, then it's just 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

 

You guys understand that she has been pushed as hell for years, she is treated like she was the MCU version of Miles Morales and nobody seems to care beyond “hahaha she is quirky”.

Whenever I read anything about Kamala it comes with her being a muslim woman, she's "cute", quirky, etc. There's nothing else beyond that.

Snark aside, I actually read Kamala's Ms. Marvel when it came out. Kamala was actually an interesting character when she just protected her neighborhood at the start of her comic run but like all comics they push for team ups and cosmic scale shit and I fell off. I don't want to read a million other books to actually keep up with a character and the MCU is exactly that, not allowing standalone product and instead needing to have it all connected and hurts characters more than CHUDS ever could.

This is why comic books suck. They can't just keep something normal nerdy, they always gotta go extreme ultra nerdy. 

The multiverse concept is fun for about 3 minutes, then it's just 

100%. Can't have self contained stories. Need to force people to read other comics! SELL SELL SELL!

[benji]

It's the same dude logic that if they just inserted more female characters into genres overwhelmingly male-skewed that you'd suddenly get an even gender split for shit like milsim or grand strategy games. They're still convinced everyone has been insidiously socially engineered to not all have the same hobbies and interests as turbo nerd dudes.

No, no, the only reason people don't like what I like is they've been manipulated by the algorithms and chuds. Show them someone like themselves and they'll know to like it now.

If anything the men that went to see Barbie went because they could see a guy that was their ideal fantasy self.

These are not "worse superheroes". Captain Marvel is not any "worse" than Iron Man or Captain America or Thor. They're all headliners in the comics. Ms Marvel was at one point a character with one of the most successful debut books in modern times, outselling Iron Man or Cap books at the time.

Yeah, just throw out the 50 years of cultural osmosis and point to a singular data point and you'll see my truth that non-comic-obsessives love this character.

Also, Captain Marvel and a "Marvel family" shares both their name and concept with a much older DC character. (Originally teen heartthrob Rick Jones and Mar-Vell switched places when doing the magic thing!) Who coincidentally also had a surprisingly successful first movie and underwhelming second one expanding to the diverse "family" of characters.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

"Ms Marvel was at one point a character with one of the most successful debut books in modern times, outselling Iron Man or Cap books at the time."

Then it went to shit when they put her into teams and cosmic level situations. She was a breath of fresh air that got turned into normal Marvel slop. Funny how that isn't being said.

The Marvel formula is its own worst enemy.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

48 minutes and no one took the genocide bait. Marvel really is their problematic fav.

Guess reading Harry Potter isn't bad anymore. Right? Supporting genocide shouldn't stop fans. 

[HaughtyFrank]

If anything the men that went to see Barbie went because they could see a guy that was their ideal fantasy self.