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[benji]

The signing planet so was fucking great I forgot to mention, it was wonderful to have such a joyful moment the whole movie is just dripping with funf

The singing planet was a trip, I loved that Kamala can't help but enthusiastically dance too since traditional dancing is a part of her culture as seen on her own TV show. Iman's got moves!

How do real people start to talk like this? They sound like they're reading off Disney PR.

EMPHASIZE

• Dancing is part of her culture as seen on Disney+'s Ms. Marvel. [Recommendation: use slang to connect with the audience.]
  

[Boredfrom]

I’m more irritated that DC lost the Captain Marvel name just to have Marvel using it in a cheaper way.

[benji]

"They used lesser known characters like Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and Hulk. Characters nobody knew about despite having the longest publishing runs of available characters and three of whom had their own TV shows. And they gave all these some of the highest budgets ever given to superhero movies to that point with Merrill Lynch giving the recently bankrupt company a half-billion dollar loan to produce them. It came out of nowhere."

[Polident]

All this arguments about "less interesting characters" or "lesser known characters" or "does anyone care about X character" is fucking hilarious considering the MCU's origins.

Its giving me flashbacks to the first GotG where everyone was saying it would bomb for the same reasons.

Of course, that required a good film.

Nerd! But that’s revisionist history. The relaunch of the book from Abnett and Lanning in 2008 was already successful and marvel was pushing the property hard. Why you had them in cartoons and Marvel vs Capcom 3. A script was one of earlier projects the studio commissioned. There were excerpts about this in some tell all book recently. Including how Gunn tried to skirt WGA policy and remove the female writer’s name. And she held a “fuck you, James” party when it didn’t pass.

But sure, Disney and Marvel are these scrappy underdogs. Cracked it.

[benji]

They act like Marvel reluctantly and frightfully went into this when they weren't Warner and sitting on all their own IPs except Batman for ages, Marvel put these things out as fast as they could once they got the rights back after X-Men and Spider-Man (and to a lesser extent, Blade) were hits. The company had just gone bankrupt, this was an obvious move to utilize their IPs unlike their pre-bankruptcy method of selling the rights for quick cash to whatever fly-by-night outfit came around. Disney had kicked the tires on Marvel multiple times before because of the stash of IPs, once they showed they were no longer operated by incompetents and the films printed money it was an obvious buy.

[Nintex]

Directive #356
While Disney stocks have taken a beating and approval of Israel is at an all time low we need to continue our current strategy to further weaken the enemy before they can recover

- sow discord in NATO by "both siding" the Arab-Israeli conflict. Agree that terrorism in general is bad but that the jews "had it coming" and join "pro-palestine" groups. Emphasize 4000 dead children in Gaza and Apartheid. The special operations office of the GRU will organize various "protests" your attendance is important. Rallying cry: "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free"

- disrupt the pop culture space by defending the latest Marvel movie(The Marvels). Label critics racists and sexists focus on Kamala and her singing in the movies as well as the female leads. Send death threats to critics and reviewers as well as the cast for maximum effect.

- the current genocide in Gaza may overshadow the "trans genocide" op. Keep reminding people that the trans genocide is happening and J.K. rowling is responsible. Use inflammatory language(worse than the Holocaust) and seek out conflict with the grieving jews.

- personnel assigned to "ukraine'", "climate", "bernie" and "anti-capitalism" should temporarily join the anti-zionist and anti-semitic messaging. Find creative ways to combine all the current "talking points" and you will be rewarded an additional 30 000 Roubles.

Glory to Russia

[PogiJones]

Zeo being banned during the moment the MCU fully collapsed is the biggest missed opportunity we may ever face. We'll never get this back. 

[Polident]

The nuclear option proposed in the recent article was to pay out the ass for all the old cast back. Audiences will turn up to see Hugh Jackman, Tobey, Robert Downey Jr, Andrew Garfield, Chris Evans, Ben Affleck, Eric Bana, Nicholas Cage, Thomas Jane, Ioen Gruffudd, James Marsden, and… wait a minute.

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-the-marvels-hovers-around-6m-thursday-night-box-office.783836/page-9#post-114760280

Doesn't help that Disney openly support Israel and giving donations to fuel their genocidal run, which lead to many people boycotting their products.

Now we’re cookin!

Just wait until Captain America 4 comes out featuring Sabra, the IDF/Mossad superhero.

I’m fairly sure that’s a major reason for the reportedly unprecedentedly big reshoots going on.

[benji]

The MCU rags-to-riches over the chuds narrative endures for two separate but equally important reasons. (These are their stories.)

First, the underdog-victim becoming the coolest kid in school narrative is personally very important to most of these fans. Disney succeeding means they succeed because they devoted themselves emotionally to Disney's fortunes. Just like the chuds back in the day dismissed them for shitting their pants in class, now the chuds are dismissing other heroes of the resistance.

Second, once again despite being obsessed with an industry they're deliberately ignorant of it and engage in only a superficial manner. Marvel's problem wasn't the IPs, which these fans identify with and think of the company purely as, it was the company was shit and constantly lost money. Disney wanted and valued the IPs but not without the company to exploit them, they could have scooped up the IPs but would have had to spend how many equal billions rebuilding the thing from scratch before they started seeing the returns from the IPs? Once Marvel rebuilt itself from bankruptcy, got enough of their IP rights back and showed it could make money by itself now the IPs were worth the asking price. This is too much capitalism nonsense so people must have doubted the IPs and then Kevin Feige came along and saw the value inherent in the IPs when nobody else did. (Just like those pants shitters who just need someone to believe in them and empower them and give them millions of dollars.) The real history is the company was run by idiots, then smarter people came along (by court mandate) and Avi Arad knew how to exploit the IPs in film something he had already been trying to do for a while but was hamstrung by the idiots.

The irony is that if Marvel hadn't collapsed those IPs probably would be sitting in a conglomerate vault like Warner did with the DC ones even as DC itself never was unprofitable for them. The double irony is that it's Zaslav who is the first executive at Warner to really truly value those IPs and he had to come in from the outside while being admittingly ignorant of the brand. DC now, supposedly, is for the first time an independent "company" with complete control over everything. The old Warner executives never allowed that because it would have created a competing fiefdom within the company, whereas Zaslav thinks the purpose of IPs is to exploit them. Warner wanted the Marvel bonus without having to create a Marvel-like institution within the conglomerate so they kept trying the various endless band-aids they did, Zaslav being ignorant of that is basically saying "why not just copy Marvel entirely with these funny book things as long as it makes money?"

[benji]

The MCU rags-to-riches over the chuds narrative endures for two separate but equally important reasons. (These are their stories.)

First, the underdog-victim becoming the coolest kid in school narrative is personally very important to most of these fans. Disney succeeding means they succeed because they devoted themselves emotionally to Disney's fortunes. Just like the chuds back in the day dismissed them for shitting their pants in class, now the chuds are dismissing other heroes of the resistance.

Second, once again despite being obsessed with an industry they're deliberately ignorant of it and engage in only a superficial manner. Marvel's problem wasn't the IPs, which these fans identify with and think of the company purely as, it was the company was shit and constantly lost money. Disney wanted and valued the IPs but not without the company to exploit them, they could have scooped up the IPs but would have had to spend how many equal billions rebuilding the thing from scratch before they started seeing the returns from the IPs? Once Marvel rebuilt itself from bankruptcy, got enough of their IP rights back and showed it could make money by itself now the IPs were worth the asking price. This is too much capitalism nonsense so people must have doubted the IPs and then Kevin Feige came along and saw the value inherent in the IPs when nobody else did. (Just like those pants shitters who just need someone to believe in them and empower them and give them millions of dollars.) The real history is the company was run by idiots, then smarter people came along (by court mandate) and Avi Arad knew how to exploit the IPs in film something he had already been trying to do for a while but was hamstrung by the idiots.

The irony is that if Marvel hadn't collapsed those IPs probably would be sitting in a conglomerate vault like Warner did with the DC ones even as DC itself never was unprofitable for them. The double irony is that it's Zaslav who is the first executive at Warner to really truly value those IPs and he had to come in from the outside while being admittingly ignorant of the brand. DC now, supposedly, is for the first time an independent "company" with complete control over everything. The old Warner executives never allowed that because it would have created a competing fiefdom within the company, whereas Zaslav thinks the purpose of IPs is to exploit them. Warner wanted the Marvel bonus without having to create a Marvel-like institution within the conglomerate so they kept trying the various endless band-aids they did, Zaslav being ignorant of that is basically saying "why not just copy Marvel entirely with these funny book things as long as it makes money?"

[Polident]

Honestly, that Falcon show was a wake up call. Like something clicked when I saw a dude in pajamas unironically lecturing politicians to “do better” over super powered squatters. Can only assume it’s the same people on the movie. Fully expect a scene where he sits down Mossad Ma’am and says “Civilian casualties? Not OK! Maybe…don’t?”

[who is ted danson?]

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Wonder if Disney will continue the Marvel push in their parks if the IP continues to spiral. What happened to the Tower of Terror in California is tragic.

[Not an Alt Account]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-mouth-breathe.784106/

Should be 100% but ok.


The ammount of "It's was fun" posts in regards to The Marvels proves it.

[Boredfrom]

The cat stuff from Marvels reminds me of Saints Row Reboot having a random cat just to pander.

[Anti-Monitor]

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I’ve not paid much attention to movie box office, but the drop from captain marvel 1 to captain marvel 2 is dramatic. About 1/3rd of the first. The worst opening since the Edward Norton Hulk in 2008. How does that even happen.

Many reasons, most of which were obvious.

Superhero fatigue. This isn’t the height of the MCU when any mediocre capeshit was doing numbers. We’ve seen the formula over and over. Spider-Man is immune to fatigue, but nothing else is. Even Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had a weak opening, it simply bounced back from great word of mouth. Still couldn’t beat Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

Endgame. The story is over. One of the many reasons manga keeps pushing comic books shit in is that comic books have no ending. An ending is a fundamental part of any story. It’s why a bad ending can crater Game of Thrones’ reputation. For many, the MCU ended with Iron Man and Thanos. It was a satisfying enough ending. No need to watch more.

Disney+ shows. There’s more MCU content since Endgame than before it. That’s insane. It’s ridiculous you must watch 3 mediocre D+ shows to watch an even more mediocre movie.

Bad movies. The newest string of MCU movies have not been consistently passable with a few outliers as they used to be. They are shit. The only good things I remember from the new MCU movies (I’ve not watched them all) are the shameless nostalgia pandering, buck naked Thor, and evil mommy Wanda. And the latter two couldn’t carry their movies.

Captain Marvel herself. This is such an unappealing character. Boring outfit. Boring personality. Dragon Ball tier powers with no one to actually fight on her level. No love interest. Her arc in the first movie was a circle. She was promoted as fundamental in Endgame and did absolute jackshit while simultaneously being able to solve it all herself. She’s not relatable for the actually female audience, and she’s not hot for the male audience. Her first movie was carried by Infinity War’s hype and some execs and Era-types deluded themselves into thinking the hype was hers.

Now, unlike Era, I won’t pretend to speak on behalf of all women. But we do like action, when it’s colorful and fun, like Spider-Man’s, not the horrible flashing light that follows Captain Marvel whenever she fights. We like romance, but retarded execs have heard twitter’s not-women takes that strong female characters don’t need no love interest. We like clothes, and yet they make every female superhero costume look like a terrible racer outfit, with Wonder Woman’s miniskirt and Harley Quinn’s slutty pet getup still being the most popular costumes. We love hot shirtless men, that is literally the only reason Aquaman made that much money. And we like empowering female stories, when it’s not shoehorned into mediocre nerd slop as an afterthought and marketing tactic. In a world where Barbie is the most successful movie of the year, they may need to accept that this retarded trend of taking boy’s toys and slapping in a diverse woman isn’t the effective pandering they think it is.

[Anti-Monitor]

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I’ve not paid much attention to movie box office, but the drop from captain marvel 1 to captain marvel 2 is dramatic. About 1/3rd of the first. The worst opening since the Edward Norton Hulk in 2008. How does that even happen.

Many reasons, most of which were obvious.

Superhero fatigue. This isn’t the height of the MCU when any mediocre capeshit was doing numbers. We’ve seen the formula over and over. Spider-Man is immune to fatigue, but nothing else is. Even Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had a weak opening, it simply bounced back from great word of mouth. Still couldn’t beat Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

Endgame. The story is over. One of the many reasons manga keeps pushing comic books shit in is that comic books have no ending. An ending is a fundamental part of any story. It’s why a bad ending can crater Game of Thrones’ reputation. For many, the MCU ended with Iron Man and Thanos. It was a satisfying enough ending. No need to watch more.

Disney+ shows. There’s more MCU content since Endgame than before it. That’s insane. It’s ridiculous you must watch 3 mediocre D+ shows to watch an even more mediocre movie.

Bad movies. The newest string of MCU movies have not been consistently passable with a few outliers as they used to be. They are shit. The only good things I remember from the new MCU movies (I’ve not watched them all) are the shameless nostalgia pandering, buck naked Thor, and evil mommy Wanda. And the latter two couldn’t carry their movies.

Captain Marvel herself. This is such an unappealing character. Boring outfit. Boring personality. Dragon Ball tier powers with no one to actually fight on her level. No love interest. Her arc in the first movie was a circle. She was promoted as fundamental in Endgame and did absolute jackshit while simultaneously being able to solve it all herself. She’s not relatable for the actually female audience, and she’s not hot for the male audience. Her first movie was carried by Infinity War’s hype and some execs and Era-types deluded themselves into thinking the hype was hers.

Now, unlike Era, I won’t pretend to speak on behalf of all women. But we do like action, when it’s colorful and fun, like Spider-Man’s, not the horrible flashing light that follows Captain Marvel whenever she fights. We like romance, but retarded execs have heard twitter’s not-women takes that strong female characters don’t need no love interest. We like clothes, and yet they make every female superhero costume look like a terrible racer outfit, with Wonder Woman’s miniskirt and Harley Quinn’s slutty pet getup still being the most popular costumes. We love hot shirtless men, that is literally the only reason Aquaman made that much money. And we like empowering female stories, when it’s not shoehorned into mediocre nerd slop as an afterthought and marketing tactic. In a world where Barbie is the most successful movie of the year, they may need to accept that this retarded trend of taking boy’s toys and slapping in a diverse woman isn’t the effective pandering they think it is.

[Polident]

The cat stuff from Marvels reminds me of Saints Row Reboot having a random cat just to pander.

There’s a cat?

So she’s a single 30-something in a pants suit and with a pet cat? And women aren’t finding this relatable??

[Nintex]

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I’ve not paid much attention to movie box office, but the drop from captain marvel 1 to captain marvel 2 is dramatic. About 1/3rd of the first. The worst opening since the Edward Norton Hulk in 2008. How does that even happen.

Many reasons, most of which were obvious.

Superhero fatigue. This isn’t the height of the MCU when any mediocre capeshit was doing numbers. We’ve seen the formula over and over. Spider-Man is immune to fatigue, but nothing else is. Even Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had a weak opening, it simply bounced back from great word of mouth. Still couldn’t beat Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

Endgame. The story is over. One of the many reasons manga keeps pushing comic books shit in is that comic books have no ending. An ending is a fundamental part of any story. It’s why a bad ending can crater Game of Thrones’ reputation. For many, the MCU ended with Iron Man and Thanos. It was a satisfying enough ending. No need to watch more.

Disney+ shows. There’s more MCU content since Endgame than before it. That’s insane. It’s ridiculous you must watch 3 mediocre D+ shows to watch an even more mediocre movie.

Bad movies. The newest string of MCU movies have not been consistently passable with a few outliers as they used to be. They are shit. The only good things I remember from the new MCU movies (I’ve not watched them all) are the shameless nostalgia pandering, buck naked Thor, and evil mommy Wanda. And the latter two couldn’t carry their movies.

Captain Marvel herself. This is such an unappealing character. Boring outfit. Boring personality. Dragon Ball tier powers with no one to actually fight on her level. No love interest. Her arc in the first movie was a circle. She was promoted as fundamental in Endgame and did absolute jackshit while simultaneously being able to solve it all herself. She’s not relatable for the actually female audience, and she’s not hot for the male audience. Her first movie was carried by Infinity War’s hype and some execs and Era-types deluded themselves into thinking the hype was hers.

Now, unlike Era, I won’t pretend to speak on behalf of all women. But we do like action, when it’s colorful and fun, like Spider-Man’s, not the horrible flashing light that follows Captain Marvel whenever she fights. We like romance, but retarded execs have heard twitter’s not-women takes that strong female characters don’t need no love interest. We like clothes, and yet they make every female superhero costume look like a terrible racer outfit, with Wonder Woman’s miniskirt and Harley Quinn’s slutty pet getup still being the most popular costumes. We love hot shirtless men, that is literally the only reason Aquaman made that much money. And we like empowering female stories, when it’s not shoehorned into mediocre nerd slop as an afterthought and marketing tactic. In a world where Barbie is the most successful movie of the year, they may need to accept that this retarded trend of taking boy’s toys and slapping in a diverse woman isn’t the effective pandering they think it is.

ICYMI

Ok let me say it.
Marvel is the Sonic of movie franchises.
They keep introducing new shitty friends nobody cares about, quality takes a nose dive and the makers lean into weird fetishes to keep their hardcore fans aroused.

[wsippel]

Not that I'm ever going to watch it anyway, but the Critical Drinker review of The Marvels kinda surprised me. He said he didn't notice the typical lecturing, considered the direction generally competent to pretty good, said Iman was a joy to watch and even Brie wasn't the usual plank of wood, but it was all ruined by a completely awful and nonsensical script, and attempts to fix the movie in editing apparently turned it into an even more incoherent mess. While he was more positive than most of his peers, they pretty much all put the blame on the writing and editing first and foremost, not the actors or director (she probably peaced out early because she knew the movie was a stinker and there was no way to salvage it). And that kinda mirrors something I've seen a while ago on the recent Dr Strange movie. Disney often starts shooting without even having a complete script, orders rewrites in the middle of production, or tries to incorporate left-overs from other projects and expects often inexperienced writers to make it fit somehow. Shocking levels of incompetence higher up in the chain.

[PogiJones]

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Yep. People want a reason, but in reality, it's a culmination of downward pressures. A lot of people can't seem to grasp that concept. "It can't be reason X, because movie A had X and that was still successful!" Like, yeah, just because we sometimes launch rockets doesn't mean gravity isn't real. There are downward pressures that sometimes are overcome. Superhero fatigue is a downward pressure; GotG 3 doing pretty well didn't mean that pressure was fake. It probably could have done even better if that pressure weren't present.

And yeah, people are pretty sick of being preached at in movies, but that is again a downward pressure that Barbie thoroughly overcame, because it had so many other things going for it, like girls being allowed to be girly, and hot Kens.

The whole "It can't be X because of movie A" thinking is so simplistic and childish; all these upward and downward pressures exist to various degrees, and The Marvels just happened to get slammed by a multitude of different strong downward pressures.

[Boredfrom]

Man for all the posters talking about how they couldn't care less about this movie, there sure are a shit ton of threads on the front page about it

i think there are more individual threads about this movie in the opening weekend than there were for endgame

That is an outright lie.

[Boredfrom]

SkinnyIndonensian is so desperate that it hurts (not really):

Lots of Europe, Asia, and the world ain't showing up. I think there is an unspoken thought about this film: it looks bad and I will not go.

Turns out they have the right idea.

Ehhh, I made the mistake of thinking this way and turns out Wed and Thurs were 70-80% booked so I couldn't get good seats until a Friday night showing, and it still ended up nearly full when I went. People are showing up.

[Boredfrom]

The Hamas thread is getting creepier:

Practically every breaking news ticker for the past 2hrs on AJ has been about a hospital in Gaza getting bombed.

All this while Arab and Muslim leaders meet in Riyadh.
It's a shame that every Mideast leader with a spine got assassinated. Otherwise there'd be talk of shutting off oil/gas to Europe and the US until they put a stop to this.

[Polident]

My only criticism with the Jews run the media thing is you can’t turn around and only follow Al Jazeera. Qatari state media might not be the most impartial source.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Jews are white so you can't believe them and their (((media))).

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

and remember. If you're ever bored go visit one of The Marvel threads on the ol' Resetera and ctrl+f "fun".

[Nintex]

The Hamas thread is getting creepier:

Practically every breaking news ticker for the past 2hrs on AJ has been about a hospital in Gaza getting bombed.

All this while Arab and Muslim leaders meet in Riyadh.
It's a shame that every Mideast leader with a spine got assassinated. Otherwise there'd be talk of shutting off oil/gas to Europe and the US until they put a stop to this.

Fact check

My only criticism with the Jews run the media thing is you can’t turn around and only follow Al Jazeera. Qatari state media might not be the most impartial source.

The IDF has reached the area of the hospital they claim is the secret Hamas base so we'll find out who was right pretty soon

[Bootsthecat]

Oh man l the fuck o l

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-114770702