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[Boredfrom]

It's fucking incredible that this still has replies like "BUT THE GUY ADMITTED TO EDITING THE MODELS" as if the whole point of the thread isn't about debunking the claim that it was "faked".

people in that thread seriously acting like proportions and topology need to be 1:1 for it to be considered suspect. like come on now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-palworld-embroiled-in-ai-and-pok%C3%A9mon-%E2%80%98plagiarism%E2%80%99-controversy.807630/page-100?post=118151655#post-118151655

The Palworld Civil War marches on

Many posters were literally saying that they were 1:1

[ComeAgain]

The amount of money wasted at xbox in the last 10 years is insane, and they have precisely fuck all to show for it. Despite this, people willingly clapped on obvious duds like Starfield and Redfall and Halo Infinite etc etc

I have to admit, I kind of kept waiting for them to turn it around. You know, building a studio takes time, surely next e3 they got something big. But now, even Hellblade 2 ends up just being a smaller game after like 4-5 years of dev time? Come on, this was your chance to swing big. I don't think it'll be a bad game but it will probably be quickly forgotten.

Looking to be exactly what people have wanted from Xbox. Third person, great graphics, you play it and move on. And on track for high reviews. Formula that has garnered Sony all these highly reviewed games and awards.

[Nintex]

The amount of money wasted at xbox in the last 10 years is insane, and they have precisely fuck all to show for it. Despite this, people willingly clapped on obvious duds like Starfield and Redfall and Halo Infinite etc etc

I have to admit, I kind of kept waiting for them to turn it around. You know, building a studio takes time, surely next e3 they got something big. But now, even Hellblade 2 ends up just being a smaller game after like 4-5 years of dev time? Come on, this was your chance to swing big. I don't think it'll be a bad game but it will probably be quickly forgotten.

Looking to be exactly what people have wanted from Xbox. Third person, great graphics, you play it and move on. And on track for high reviews. Formula that has garnered Sony all these highly reviewed games and awards.

I'm betting on a 7/10

I've not really seen any gameplay. Even what they call gameplay is very little gameplay.
The first game had some neat puzzles even if it was a bit janky. Overhauled combat also looks like it has less gameplay.

Also during the Developer_Direct (lol copy cats), the footage was letterboxed or some shit. Maybe they're doing the Resident Evil 4 on GameCube thing, shave off a few pixels to gain some performance.

[kaleidoscopium]

This is why the people going "why are we believing some random Twitter user" weren't thinking things out.

You don't have to trust a single random Twitter user. Because Byo showed his work, if you had similar knowledge you can then reproduce the test and confirm for yourself.

But that's exactly what this other user (Rose) did, and he doesn't think that the models have the same origin. Why are we conveniently ignoring that? Note that I don't trust that user moreso than I trust Byofrog, as they're both random X users as far as I'm concerned (though at least Rose's account wasn't created for this sole purpose) - but we asked for others to look into it, and now their findings are simply dismissed? Come on now, that's the very definition of bad faith.

Tweet in question:

Yet they leave this one out:

[Boredfrom]

This is why the people going "why are we believing some random Twitter user" weren't thinking things out.

You don't have to trust a single random Twitter user. Because Byo showed his work, if you had similar knowledge you can then reproduce the test and confirm for yourself.

BS, dude had barely 3 likes per post when he was posted at RE (  isn’t that curious? ) and people that pointed out that was not a bullet proof were dogpilled by the thread and Nepenthe. Most people there let the “1:1 model” discourse to grow mostly unchanged or with “even if you scale it is still prove, trust me”.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-microsoft-lays-off-1-900-staff-from-its-video-game-workforce.809208/page-21?post=118131813#post-118131813

User Banned (1 Month): Inflammatory accusations, prior bans for identical behavior


People were agreeing too much with this user, so they banned them
Mods are so petty.

Windrunner used to be a mod and she were a fucking smarmy cunt during the launch of TLoU2 with various arguments going on in various threads, but she's 100% right with that post and fuck knows how it's deserving of a ban 

It was possibly tonal or a word choice that crossed the line, not showing due respect to officers. You know these types they're always trying to push the line and claiming they're innocent.

Need to implement body cams on the mods, I think. 

Which randomly turn off when they do an extra spicy ban

[AldusMoneyPenny]

And Trump is just there to serve Putin's interests. Still think the U.S. government should try to assassinate Putin for this reason: he's somewhat successfully attempting to undermine America from within using "Manchurian Candidates".

So much for the tolerant left 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-pressures-senate-republicans-to-kill-ukraine-border-deal-to-deny-biden-a-win.809067/post-118111665

[benji]

And Trump is just there to serve Putin's interests. Still think the U.S. government should try to assassinate Putin for this reason: he's somewhat successfully attempting to undermine America from within using "Manchurian Candidates".

So much for the tolerant left 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-pressures-senate-republicans-to-kill-ukraine-border-deal-to-deny-biden-a-win.809067/post-118111665

The U.S. should commit an illegal act of war against a nuclear power because otherwise people might vote for Trump!

[HaughtyFrank]

And Trump is just there to serve Putin's interests. Still think the U.S. government should try to assassinate Putin for this reason: he's somewhat successfully attempting to undermine America from within using "Manchurian Candidates".

So much for the tolerant left 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-pressures-senate-republicans-to-kill-ukraine-border-deal-to-deny-biden-a-win.809067/post-118111665

for this reason: he's somewhat successfully attempting to undermine America from within using "Manchurian Candidates".

My reason would be all the murders and war crimes but that's just me

[benji]

Not a single person in that thread blinked at that insane post, but there's still spicy action:

User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory and dismissive commentary

Honestly, good for Trump. Not that I think he's actually acting admirably, but the comparison I'd make here is Eric Cantor sinking the Obama/Boehner "Grand Bargain" deal that included cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. By which I mean, the killing of an awful deal that turns out to be a blessing in disguise because of the genuinely despicable provisions being put on the table in the discussions. Cantor of course spiked it because he thought the deal wasn't good enough for them, and that they'd be better off saving the topic as a weapon against Obama in the 2012 election. (Seem familiar?) That didn't work out for them in the end, and so unnecessary cuts to programs that should not have been touched were avoided entirely thanks to the greed of Cantor and the Tea Party caucus.

This entire thing is basically made up of 3 provisions, Ukraine aid, more money and weapons for slaughtering civilians in Gaza, and some of the most awful border shit. Trump was pushing this for a while, and at first, Mitch McConnell came pushing back against Trump saying that this represented an opportunity to get some awful border shit done that wouldn't be possible short of trifecta control that includes a filibuster-proof Senate, not to mention having the opportunity to get Democratic Senators to co-sign on the inhumane and racist bullshit that "border control" always is.

Sucks for Ukraine, but if the price was coupling entrenching truly abhorrent border provisions and yet more cover for perpetuating ethnic cleansing, Trump might have just done us all the service that Eric Cantor did spiking the atrocious "Grand Bargain".

I mean...just saying "sucks for Ukraine" is pretty abhorrent and shows you lack an understanding of the crisis. If Russian conquers Ukraine, you are looking at deaths in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions (above the already hundreds of thousands), the kidnapping of millions of children, the destruction/genocide of a culture of 40+ million people, and heightened risk of even larger war in Europe.

After all your "G****** Joe" posting you should be ashamed to post something this callous.

Bro here really saying two genocides are better than one

Yep. Despicable.

Legit piss off for this post
For real

User banned (1 week): inflammatory accusations

Sucks for that ongoing genocide in Ukraine.

You can't speak on the atrocious crimes against humanity which is happening in Gaza, and then turn around and hand wave what's happening in Ukraine

Would you would support a bill that provided funds to Ukraine but on the condition of criminalizing homsexuality? I mean if it was the only way to provide funding that is.

Is the life of children in Gaza a sacrifice willing to be made but not one that could affect you?

I mean, let's be real: this was a shit deal and always has been. That said, Trump is 100% concern trolling here and doesn't give a rat's ass about any of it. There's absolutely zero need to go "good for Trump" despite how shit the deal was and the fact it never should have been made in the first place.

Thank you for actioning some of the worst posts in this thread.

[Taco Bell Tower]

It's fucking incredible that this still has replies like "BUT THE GUY ADMITTED TO EDITING THE MODELS" as if the whole point of the thread isn't about debunking the claim that it was "faked".

people in that thread seriously acting like proportions and topology need to be 1:1 for it to be considered suspect. like come on now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-palworld-embroiled-in-ai-and-pok%C3%A9mon-%E2%80%98plagiarism%E2%80%99-controversy.807630/page-100?post=118151655#post-118151655

The Palworld Civil War marches on

No one has made a Palworld sickos so Shinx sickos is gonna have to do til further notice.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-palworld-embroiled-in-ai-and-pok%C3%A9mon-%E2%80%98plagiarism%E2%80%99-controversy.807630/post-118147638

Just had another friend believe the misinformation that spread that byo made it all up

This is insidious

I don't get the argument that if you have to scale or tweak the models a bit, that proves it's not plagiarised. Bc that's probably what the Palworld people did, they ripped some Pokemon models and then tweaked them or built a new model on top, basically "tracing" in 3D. If it was a completely original model based on their own concept art, there's no way you would get a perfect match with some slight tweaks lol.

Right. The fact that a few minor tweaks would be enough to make them similar would already be a red flag.

But the people that think the scaling is a gotcha... Lol, like they need to learn more about object permanence or something. Just embarrassing.

They way people are spreading that "they fabricated evidence by scaling the models" thing is genuinely astounding. Like the whole point is just incredibly stupid. It legit feels close to some political propaganda where someone being criticised just screams FAKE NEWS and their army of fans keeps repeating FAKE NEWS without even thinking for two seconds if it makes any sense at all.

Sometimes I feel like humans are actually herd animals.

I was able to bring a coworker back into the light. At least for now.

They admitted that they were moreso rooting against TPC than thinking about the repercussions of celebrating Palworld. I feel like a LOT of anti-TPC sentiment is poisoning this well. I get it. But you don't have to defend the theft of art to air your grievances with Pokemon.

I think people are just not trusting of the source. It's an anonymous twitter account with a stated ulterior motive. Maybe someone should do a better, more in depth comparison video. And not everyone is a 3d artist, they don't necessarily understand what scaling even means.

I have this feeling that even if there were another person with a whole different Twitter account and a different way of showcasing the 3D assets there would still be people going "Nah uh!" regardless of who's showing it.

I'm almost certain that Palworld themselves could say "yes, we did this" and people still would celebrate it unanimously because of the strong desire to hate Nintendo as like the cool thing to do nowadays.

It's not that they aren't trusting, but about which sources they don't want to trust.

This adamant assertion going around all over the place that the claims are completely fabricated went into overdrive after CentroLeaks's utterly disingenuous tweet about scaling. All these people have absolutely no qualms at all with taking CentroLeaks for gospel and running away with the claim that this it's all "admitted fabrication" - something that was never at all admitted.

We're really at the point where some think the act of scaling a model makes it fair to use in your own game development? Lmfao.

I don't think we even need to operate on the level of hunches here. We had experts weighing in and saying that this was similar beyond the level of coincidence days ago.

We saw that some people didn't believe the evidence when it was provided for them directly, we saw that some people didn't believe the experts when they weighed in the matter, we'll probably see that people won't believe the new folks now checking to verify the original allegations, and whatever new proof arises we'll see that some people won't believe that either.

People do not want to admit to being wrong, but they also do not want to put in the work to research their points in the first place. It's a vicious cycle.

This is a litmus test for me now, anyone who can't admit to being wrong about anything is automatically uninteresting to even tangentially interact with.
I'm French so every rule as an exception and mine is Stephanie Sterling (and I thnk even they admit to being wrong at times).
If you can't admit to being wrong, it just means that you don't even care what reality is like and will bend over backward like the worst conservative over anything.

Why are people who others look to for expertise, such as content creators, always so woefully lacking of knowledge of the subject matters they talk about?

Because most don't actually have expertise, they just have an attention grabbing personality and project confidence, so followers assume they're right about everything they say.

A lot of people don't know how or don't care to make sure what they're saying is factual.

And nobody else is holding them accountable, certainly not the social media platforms they're using to spread misinformation.

It's a perfect combination of bullshit.

if you convince enough people that Byo was spreading misinformation, you can use that to doubt/dismiss any future evidence, no matter how damning.

The next couple years are going to be insane, if anyone can make a game by using other companies game models and scaling it bigger with extra horns, ears, hands, hair, etc. and call it "fair use" because the model was skewed 1.25x the size of the original model its based on.

Because content creators especially the "React" people are like celebrities. Which is an entirely different kind of work than say, being informed about how things get made. But are very confident because of their status as content creators, and thus their takes are meant to be gospel. And god forbid you ever prove them wrong. Let alone having to deal with the parasocial weirdos who'll send you death threats for even daring to question an influencer.

Note, not all influencers and their communities are like this. But a metric fuckton of prominent ones on twitch are. Because twitch is a microcosm of how toxic the gaming community can be.

The debate about whether or not the models are directly ripped off is pretty cut and dry to me. The Primarina thing was all anyone with a brain needed to see to know that the devs obviously either used Pokemon models outright or heavily referenced them to the point of being nearly identical. Personally I enjoy Palworld and appreciate the new and creative things it brings to the table, but Pocketpair obviously copied Pokemon's homework with some of the Pal designs and will most likely pay the price for it somewhere down the line, so why bother doing mental gymnastics about it? Just play the game if you like it and let the lawyers hash it out.

But that's exactly what this other user (Rose) did, and he doesn't think that the models have the same origin. Why are we conveniently ignoring that? Note that I don't trust that user moreso than I trust Byofrog, as they're both random X users as far as I'm concerned (though at least Rose's account wasn't created for this sole purpose) - but we asked for others to look into it, and now their findings are simply dismissed? Come on now, that's the very definition of bad faith.

I mean you can compare the work of both and come to your conclusion yourself.
The people claiming that the meshes weren't the exact same apparently weren't aware that exact meshes aren't that important to determine if the model is the same because there are ways to open a model in a editor to change the meshes while keeping the model.

Thing is they never get push back

But those of us who are in the know, we get harassed, called shills etc. and I've seen so many people who actually have knowledge just no longer speak up because they don't need the harassment. I get brought up here at random times because people think I "defend blindly" when what I do is correct misinformation that people use in their arguments, and they just see it as "defending". Like if your argument has misinformation as a pre-requisite, it's invalidated. I frequently get the harassment, to the point there's Twitter accounts dedicated to harassing me. I'm just stubborn as hell so I'll never stop trying to educate.

For what it's worth just know that you work is invaluable and I haven't seen you be unreasonable so I hope you never let them get to you.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

And Trump is just there to serve Putin's interests. Still think the U.S. government should try to assassinate Putin for this reason: he's somewhat successfully attempting to undermine America from within using "Manchurian Candidates".

So much for the tolerant left 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-pressures-senate-republicans-to-kill-ukraine-border-deal-to-deny-biden-a-win.809067/post-118111665

Oh so in this case it's okay to kill a political figure on their sovereign land. I'll be sure to remember that the next time the US bombs terrorist leaders in the middle east.

[benji]

And Trump is just there to serve Putin's interests. Still think the U.S. government should try to assassinate Putin for this reason: he's somewhat successfully attempting to undermine America from within using "Manchurian Candidates".

So much for the tolerant left 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-pressures-senate-republicans-to-kill-ukraine-border-deal-to-deny-biden-a-win.809067/post-118111665

Oh so in this case it's okay to kill a political figure on their sovereign land. I'll be sure to remember that the next time the US bombs terrorist leaders in the middle east.

Terrorist leaders? Hell, this sounds like approval for bombing anyone who might potentially influence domestic politics.

[davepoobond]

one fire after another

[benji]

Carpet bombing The Netherlands to stop Nintex.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Not a single person in that thread blinked at that insane post, but there's still spicy action:

User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory and dismissive commentary

Honestly, good for Trump. Not that I think he's actually acting admirably, but the comparison I'd make here is Eric Cantor sinking the Obama/Boehner "Grand Bargain" deal that included cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. By which I mean, the killing of an awful deal that turns out to be a blessing in disguise because of the genuinely despicable provisions being put on the table in the discussions. Cantor of course spiked it because he thought the deal wasn't good enough for them, and that they'd be better off saving the topic as a weapon against Obama in the 2012 election. (Seem familiar?) That didn't work out for them in the end, and so unnecessary cuts to programs that should not have been touched were avoided entirely thanks to the greed of Cantor and the Tea Party caucus.

This entire thing is basically made up of 3 provisions, Ukraine aid, more money and weapons for slaughtering civilians in Gaza, and some of the most awful border shit. Trump was pushing this for a while, and at first, Mitch McConnell came pushing back against Trump saying that this represented an opportunity to get some awful border shit done that wouldn't be possible short of trifecta control that includes a filibuster-proof Senate, not to mention having the opportunity to get Democratic Senators to co-sign on the inhumane and racist bullshit that "border control" always is.

Sucks for Ukraine, but if the price was coupling entrenching truly abhorrent border provisions and yet more cover for perpetuating ethnic cleansing, Trump might have just done us all the service that Eric Cantor did spiking the atrocious "Grand Bargain".

I mean...just saying "sucks for Ukraine" is pretty abhorrent and shows you lack an understanding of the crisis. If Russian conquers Ukraine, you are looking at deaths in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions (above the already hundreds of thousands), the kidnapping of millions of children, the destruction/genocide of a culture of 40+ million people, and heightened risk of even larger war in Europe.

I don't understand what's wrong wiith the first post. Ukraine is full of white folx, and who the fuck cares about them.

Right now we need to focus on Palestinians and the actual genocide that's going on over there.

If Ukraine just sucks it up and their jew leader surrenders Russia will stop the killing. Palestine? No. Israel won't stop until all Palestinians are wiped out. 

Spreading socialism is not easy. You need to be willing to sacrifice pawns for the greater good. And Palestine is the greater good. 

Edit: If you disagree with me you're a chud. If you do not like this post you are a chud.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Thing is they never get push back

But those of us who are in the know, we get harassed, called shills etc. and I've seen so many people who actually have knowledge just no longer speak up because they don't need the harassment. I get brought up here at random times because people think I "defend blindly" when what I do is correct misinformation that people use in their arguments, and they just see it as "defending". Like if your argument has misinformation as a pre-requisite, it's invalidated. I frequently get the harassment, to the point there's Twitter accounts dedicated to harassing me. I'm just stubborn as hell so I'll never stop trying to educate.

For what it's worth just know that you work is invaluable and I haven't seen you be unreasonable so I hope you never let them get to you.

For what it's worth just know that you work is invaluable

mfer copied and pasted from other sites, invaluable 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dark-side-of-ring-back-for-its-5th-season-on-march-5th.809079/?post=118102734#post-118102734

This is the closest I'll get to watching anything close to WWE related, ain't got time for that trash company.

Only recognize a few names on that ep list.

[HaughtyFrank]

For people so concerned about plagiarism they don't seem to understand that there's a huge difference between directly stealing Pokemons assets and potentially tracing them in 3D

[Nintex]

It sounds like they really want to live in a corporate dystopia where Nintendo confiscates their fur suits and you have to pay The Pokemon Company fees for using the colors red and blue.

[benji]

For people so concerned about plagiarism they don't seem to understand that there's a huge difference between directly stealing Pokemons assets and potentially tracing them in 3D

I'm not entirely sure if they understand that the goal was for the Pals to look similar to Pokemon.

[benji]

They should familiarize themselves with the legal canon:

[Boredfrom]

Thing is they never get push back

But those of us who are in the know, we get harassed, called shills etc. and I've seen so many people who actually have knowledge just no longer speak up because they don't need the harassment. I get brought up here at random times because people think I "defend blindly" when what I do is correct misinformation that people use in their arguments, and they just see it as "defending". Like if your argument has misinformation as a pre-requisite, it's invalidated. I frequently get the harassment, to the point there's Twitter accounts dedicated to harassing me. I'm just stubborn as hell so I'll never stop trying to educate.

The Primarina thing was all anyone with a brain needed to see to know that the devs obviously either used Pokemon models outright or heavily referenced them to the point of being nearly identical.

Everybody knows they are a rip off. People are just saying that is not against the law, to some is totally morally okay and you cant prove that they outright used models from the Pokemon games without metadata. Some assholes claimed that the models were 1:1 but suddenly is just "tracing model off".

[Nintex]

But those of us who are in the know

You don't know shit bud

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/january-25-2024-thr-taylor-swift-ai-nudes-provoke-fandom-uproar-on-x-%E2%80%9Cdisgusting-as-hell%E2%80%9D.809406/


https://9jaflaver.com/ai-generated-nude-photos-of-taylor-swift-trending-online-18-photos/

[Boredfrom]

I don't get the argument that if you have to scale or tweak the models a bit, that proves it's not plagiarised. Bc that's probably what the Palworld people did, they ripped some Pokemon models and then tweaked them or built a new model on top, basically "tracing" in 3D.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-microsoft-lays-off-1-900-staff-from-its-video-game-workforce.809208/page-48?post=118156626#post-118156626

This forum has a pretty bad reputation in the industry. Admins never want to hear about it or even solicit opinions on how to fix it, only to ban anyone that disagrees with them.

[DocWager]

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/january-25-2024-thr-taylor-swift-ai-nudes-provoke-fandom-uproar-on-x-%E2%80%9Cdisgusting-as-hell%E2%80%9D.809406/


https://9jaflaver.com/ai-generated-nude-photos-of-taylor-swift-trending-online-18-photos/

Taylor Swift wishes her ass was that juicy.

[Taco Bell Tower]