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[benji]

Like seriously, this is doxing members of staff:

Hell, a shortcut to a dignified existence is frankly the least that the worst off of us deserve.

edit: I won't post the address because her landlords parents don't deserve any potential harassment that might spawn from her spreading bigotry on the internet.

[Nintex]

What about antisemetic comments made on this forum?

what about em? You seem to be posting in bad faith friend those are some serious accusations about highly respected staff members 

[benji]

We here at The Bire can excuse Nepenthe's repeated calls for ethnic cleansing but the weird sexual Lucio fanfic was where we draw the gobs of precum line.

[HardcoreRetro]

Morrigan

Idealized version of myself

Damn, that's my favourite Dark Souls character preset. The rat-faced scoundrel.

[TylenolJones]

Bdumbs appears!!!

Attempting to doxx members of staff has always been a permable offense.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2024-ot-1-doom-eternal.800787/page-149?post=120260361#post-120260361

How is posting someone's Twitter account doxing?

Seriously this isn’t hard…

Just ban them for history of histories and say they can appeal if they disagree. Then you get to drop the whole antisemitic tweet subject.

[benji]

So two users got permabanned (CreepingFear and treble) and there's no ban reasoning for either of them that I could find on their post history. Unless both of them started to harass staff in the DMs (which could obviously get you in trouble), this whole fiasco is going to get worse if there's no communication from staff.

Attempting to doxx members of staff has always been a permable offense.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2024-ot-1-doom-eternal.800787/page-149?post=120260361#post-120260361

What about antisemetic comments made on this forum?

Are you referring to people linking tweets from one of the admins here as doxxing? Or is it something else? Would be good to know as clearly there's a lot of unhappyness right now, and for obvious reasons trust is a bit thin on the ground sadly. As there's nothing visible on the forums its going to result in a lot more concern and unhappyness so would be good to clear the air.

?!?

CreepingFear did that?

I'm assuming both of them did in private circumstances as I don't see any public posts demonstrating that behavior.

STOP RESISTING the narrative!

[benji]

So apparently both CreepingFear and treble used Kiwifarms in an attempt to dox a staff member (which is obvious grounds for a permanent ban), but I'm left with more questions than answers. How did they even do that? I saw no mention of that website in their public post history

[Rendle]

Bdumbs appears!!!

So two users got permabanned (CreepingFear and treble) and there's no ban reasoning for either of them that I could find on their post history. Unless both of them started to harass staff in the DMs (which could obviously get you in trouble), this whole fiasco is going to get worse if there's no communication from staff.

Attempting to doxx members of staff has always been a permable offense.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2024-ot-1-doom-eternal.800787/page-149?post=120260361#post-120260361

What happened to "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"? What happened to "speaking truth to power"? What happened to holding someone to the same standards they expect of others? What happened to Enzom?

[BIONIC]

B-Cunts literally making shit up in constructive:

Seeing both Creepingfear and Treble be banned for seemingly no public reason is very unsettling 😕

Attempting to doxx members of staff has always been a permable offense.

Not sure how posting a publicly available account with no information on who someone is qualified for that. IIRC, mods have used outside sites to ban members before, is that not correct?

But now that you have confirmed it was a staff member (no clue which one), it’s important to add context. Which was that they stated on October 7th (prior to the current war/alleged genocide), Israeli Jews either need to vacate Israel or cede control of it over. Kind of important to know in context of issues with moderation when it comes to anti-semitism issues everyone has seen by now.

We don't use kiwifarms as a source of info to go after people.

If you don't mind me asking, how did they use kiwifarms? I don't recall them citing that website at all in public.

I didn’t reference any specific site. So no mod action has ever happened over learning about posts from other sites or discord? That would be good to know and more consistent!

This quote also doesn’t address the second half of the post.

No offense, but the second you find your way to kiwifarms in an attempt to doxx someone is the exact moment I stop playing nice. Nobody ever has any reason to go there or ever give them the time of day. Ever. They're fucking monsters.

Someone will be along to talk about whatever other concerns you have, but know that there's zero tolerance for doxxing and even less for using kiwifarms to try and do it.

What is the appropreate way to alert you and the owners of pro-terrorist and antisemetic messages made by staff in other venues?

The only posts I saw were publicly available twitter posts. You're saying users posted from Kiwi (I have no idea what that is nor have ever visited it)?

How is he so bad at this?

[benji]

I'm sorry, I'm really not going to be carrying water for Israel on the day that new reporting indicates Israel literally waterboarded UNRWA members to get them to falsely claim that they were linked to Hamas. I don't know how old some of y'all are but I do actually remember the last time a major military power went down this route and the incredible and dehumanizing racism that led to the violent deaths of hundreds of thousands of Arabs and I'm really really not interested in denying the extremely obvious reality of what is actually going on over there right now. Like what are we actually fucking doing right now?

This is part and parcel to the issue at hand. Calling out antisemitism is not tantamount to supporting Netanyahu and his government. Literally nobody here does that. Even the most ardent defenders of Israel's right to exist have 0 love or support for Netanyahu's bullshit. You can be critical of Netanyahu and still support the Jewish people just as you can be critical of Hamas and be supportive of Palestinians. Drawing these sorts of absolute parallels only serves to silence what little discussion could be had on the matter

That you think calling out antisemitism is equivalent to "carrying water for Israel" says more about you than any of the inflammatory allegations you're throwing out here say about anyone else.

Calling out sexual abuse/rape of civilian victims =/= carrying water for Israel. Expressing frustration that the comment that "Israel should not exist ... It needs to go." was only very reluctantly actioned after well over a week =/= carrying water for Israel. Israel's actions are completely unjustified. That doesn't make hand waiving mass rape or calls for genocide OK.

This is exactly emblematic of the problem that is going on right now. No one is "carrying water" for Israel's government. You CAN have nuance and acknowledge that both Israel's government and Hamas have and are continuing to do absolutely heinous things, and the people are suffering. It's wrong to ignore Israel's misdeeds, yes, but is it ok to get nitpicky and semantic with Hamas'?

Literally no one here is carrying water for the actions. Explain how expressing concern for rape of victims cannot also have room for concerns for your views?

The fact that there is no nuance in these stances and its binary bad/good side is the problem here.

....Not carrying water for Israel, as you seem to be thinking?

The IDF has, and is, doing some FUCKED shit - I want them to stop IMMEDIATELY, I want Gazans to get the aid they desperately, DESPERATELY need, I'd really like the USA to not continue to supply arms without conditions, and I hope that Bibi goes to prison ASAP.

But I don't see anyone uncritically carrying water for Israel, in the recent few pages.

So it might be my turn to ask back to clarify where you're seeing this 'carrying water'....or maybe, 'what the fuck are you talking about?'

Look at these fucking Zionists doxing Muslims who are NOT engaging in sex slavery.

[Nintex]

Hooooly shit. We knew PoliEra wouldn't survive this year but this was faster than I thought.

Are you referring to people linking tweets from one of the admins here as doxxing? Or is it something else? Would be good to know as clearly there's a lot of unhappyness right now, and for obvious reasons trust is a bit thin on the ground sadly. As there's nothing visible on the forums its going to result in a lot more concern and unhappyness so would be good to clear the air.

We've received a lot of reports about this thread and the unacceptable behaviour of some members in particular who have put forward serious accusations. Of course after careful independent examination all these accusations are proven false and baseless. Let me remind you that stereotypes about Muslims will not be tolerated and neither will harassing staff members who are simply doing their job. Furthermore any and all bans are never given by a single staff member, at least 3 members of the staff discuss such actions before they are taken. There is no need to clear the air as there are no concerns. I'm sorry to hear about your "unhappyness" but maybe this helps you relate with prosecuted minorities such as the trans community who fear for their lives every day or the suffering of brave Palestinians under the jack boot of their colonizer and American partners. 

Now stop derailing the thread and go back on topic or do we have to close it down for "review"  

[benji]

B-Cunts literally making shit up in constructive:

No offense, but the second you find your way to kiwifarms in an attempt to doxx someone is the exact moment I stop playing nice. Nobody ever has any reason to go there or ever give them the time of day. Ever. They're fucking monsters.

How does he know they found their way to Kiwi Farms unless he's going there? 

[TylenolJones]

So apparently both CreepingFear and treble used Kiwifarms in an attempt to dox a staff member (which is obvious grounds for a permanent ban), but I'm left with more questions than answers. How did they even do that? I saw no mention of that website in their public post history

Good to know there was a right way to post Nep’s antisemitic tweets, those two just did it the wrong way.

[benji]

Good to know there was a right way to post Nep’s antisemitic tweets, those two just did it the wrong way.

Uh, duh, use the report system.

[Nintex]

Kiwifarms = Fucking Monsters, you have no excuse to read a letter of what they type  

Hamas rapists = Don't judge them before you hear their side of the story, the UN makes shit up all the time, if you read their manifesto they actually have some valid points  

[Tucker's Law]

I expect GoldenEye's account to get the Epstein treatment before the weekend is over.

[benji]

Hamas rapists = Don't judge them before you hear their side of the story, the UN makes shit up all the time, if you read their manifesto they actually have some valid points 

Islamophobia

[Nintex]

This thread has helped a lot with my anxiety around poll numbers and this election season in general.

Yeah honestly Era makes me feel more hopeful about the election. Who knew that their were more positive places than Twitter lol.

See this is a very positive place YOU are the problem 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/today-in-fuck-that-a-realistic-digital-marilyn-monroe-makes-its-debut-at-tech-conference.825444/

Today in 'fuck that', a realistic digital Marilyn Monroe makes its debut at tech conference 

[benji]

Presumably, CreepingFear's post about it being possible to use archive sites to retrieve the quoted tweets, after the account was set to private, was interpreted as a threat and was the reason for the ban, not because she posted said tweets himself.

Yeah that's a very suspect post and I can definitely see why it would be the reason for a ban.

[BIONIC]

The user's in question did not post kiwifarms, and probably never saw the information from kiwifarms. They likely saw it on one of the many many discord subcommunities that era users have.
In 6 degrees of separation they may have originally learned about these tweets from someone who learned it from someone who learned it from someone who learned it from someone who saw it on kiwifarms.

If people got banned from it, it would be also difficult for them to plead their case that it was because they saw it on discord or Twitter, due to being aforementioned banned. Looking from the outside of poliera, this entire situation looks like a shitshow, and I really don't think the situation is handled in a way that won't lead to a wave of self ban requests.

Getting some major 2017 vibes right now, sadly. There is simply not enough communication from moderation on what is going on right now. Briefly posted accusations without much explanation should probably not be acceptable in situations like this. Moderation should facilitate a healthy discussion format, not leave posters relatively in the dark while entire communities are broken.

No, people wound up on kiwifarms. This isn't a "I saw this on discord" thing. This is a "I went looking and found myself on kiwifarms" thing.

Dig up, stupid!

[Boredfrom]

No offense, but the second you find your way to kiwifarms in an attempt to doxx someone is the exact moment I stop playing nice. Nobody ever has any reason to go there or ever give them the time of day. Ever. They're fucking monsters.

“Pls, don’t go to KiwiFarms ever because you will realize how many awful people we bat for. Pretend that is a darknet CP site rather than an edgy site owned by an incompetent manchild.”

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/please-help-me-understand-how-do-i-know-which-gender-i-am.825519/

Before I make my threads I usually have a pretty good mental image of what's going to be in the OP... This time that is not the case, expect some word vomit...

I've been reading a lot of stuff on Reddit recently, but I still feel pretty lost, a lot of people seem to think gender is very confusing and I feel kinda inclined to agree with them, maybe some of us are genuinely too dumb to understand this...

If someone tried to justify identifying themselves as "x" gender because they were born with "y" genitalia would it be inmoral to deny them that conclusion? Would they effectively be genderless all of a sudden until they find a more acceptable justification?

How do I know whether I'm a man or a woman? What's the difference between the two of them? I know there are other genders but focusing on the two most common ones feels like a good starting point for me.

Honestly part of me feels having this discussion is pointless because if I somehow end up coming to the conclusion I don't like my current pronouns then no one, and I mean LITERALLY NO ONE, I know or come across in real life is going to respect any new ones...

I feel like I've been stalling posting this for like an hour now, I've never been warned or banned, and I hope it stays that way, fuck it, here it goes...

[TylenolJones]

Good to see bdumbs admit no one would follow Nep on twitter for legitimate reasons.

[benji]

Using Twitter to see staff members expressing more of their opinions about the collective nation of Jewish people.


Using Twitter to find the likes of people to smear their published research, call them Nazis or get them fired.

[FEUER FREI.]

they do realise that KF thread is practically dead? the user didnt find it there. it can go weeks with like 10 posts

they found it here.

and the mods know that

but they want to mention KF because everyone on era knows KF but not all know about the bire dot net. they dont want their users to be educated. to pierce the veil. to see the shitshow of era. that the bire exposes

fucking pussy staff lmao. eat shit b-dumbs

[benji]

I think screenshots of the tweets were in the Kiwi Farms thread sometime after I first posted them on here, but we all know I reposted them in here yesterday and they suddenly showed up in that thread. Yeah, they went digging through the Kiwi Farms thread for screenshots then searched for the tweets, not just grabbed the link from here.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Meanwhile constructive is on fire and this is the post that Royalfats decides to respond to:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dragons-dogma-2-character-creation-tool-is-out-show-your-arisen.825051/
Fatphobia on the first page that hasn't been actioned since last Thursday. This one is really bad too.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier about era having a fatphobia problem. Either the community didn't care to report it, or the post wasn't deemed hurtful.

And no, the character isn't fatphobic, it's the "commentary" from the comedian poster.

Did you report it?

Yup I reported it when I saw it this morning.

Ah, I see it.

I just left a note on it. Give it time, though. Quite a few reports in that queue, atm.

You literally can’t make this shit up

I checked the thread, the first page.  What fatphonic?  All I see is users liking each others characters.

[Snoopy]

Come on Nep put the poodle down and get in there. Show them who’s boss

[benji]

We all know how serious the staff take Twitter, remember when they permabanned that dude for saying Nepenthe shouldn't be an admin on Twitter?