Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[HaughtyFrank]

We can't just believe the science about this.. It's the wrong science.

The science is settled! Stop unsettling the science with new science!

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Look Mermaids said it's okay to give girls chest binders without parents approval. I think they know best.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-i-think-darkstalkers-4-6-should-be-like-if-its-ever-made.839886/?post=121492200#post-121492200

As a final note, I read a plural transfem Jon Talbain fanfiction recently I could share. I never cared much for Jon (Kung Fu werewolf is a cool idea but it doesn't have enough pathos for me) but this fic reallly sold me on the charcater

Whoever is behind Twohearts is doing a sterling job. Preposterous but strangely believable  

Is only believable because some people there are really dumb and are batting for her. People in their 30’s or 40’s, not dumb teenagers.

[Averon]

Just a reminder this is how they responded to a report that says sexualized video games are not causing harm to male or female players:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sexualized-video-games-are-not-causing-harm-to-male-or-female-players-according-to-new-research.606036/

Is this just another conservative arguing point?

The guy, based on some op-eds written, appears to be a right-wing shithead, but eh. Just putting this out there. Grain of salt, etc etc.

Seems like this dude has no idea what the point of discussing sexualization in video games is?

Wow, thank goodness the media we consume doesn't have any effect on us. Brilliant stuff.

Did you hear? Propaganda doesn't work either!

Browsing this guy's Twitter is going about as I expected.
https://twitter.com/CJFerguson1111

A meticulously inaccurate way of framing sexism and misogyny in order to ensure the conclusion is that "sexualisation isn't bad," "anyone who complains is just attacking video games" and "this is just moral panic."
Whether this was deliberate on the author's part or genuine ignorance, now look, there's a study to link to the next time someone wants to attack criticism on representation of female characters, how convenient!

This topic should be closed, and it's beyond irresponsible that it's still open. The flaws of the analysis are transparent, and the source is a reactionary pop psychologist . He wrote a fucking evolutionary psychology paper of moral panics. Use a modicum of skepticism, people.

Don't post articles from right-wing chuds. We will peruse this thread for posts that break the rules as well.

Same denial, anger, and attacking the messenger as seen in their reaction to the Cass report.

ResetEra: Believe the science...until it contradicts my beliefs. Then it's rightwing trash.

[HaughtyFrank]

Just a reminder this is how they responded to a report that says sexualized video games are not causing harm to male or female players:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sexualized-video-games-are-not-causing-harm-to-male-or-female-players-according-to-new-research.606036/

I dunno. Rampant sexualization definitely does psychic damage to me.

[Potato]

Just a reminder this is how they responded to a report that says sexualized video games are not causing harm to male or female players:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sexualized-video-games-are-not-causing-harm-to-male-or-female-players-according-to-new-research.606036/

Is this just another conservative arguing point?

The guy, based on some op-eds written, appears to be a right-wing shithead, but eh. Just putting this out there. Grain of salt, etc etc.

Seems like this dude has no idea what the point of discussing sexualization in video games is?

Wow, thank goodness the media we consume doesn't have any effect on us. Brilliant stuff.

Did you hear? Propaganda doesn't work either!

Browsing this guy's Twitter is going about as I expected.
https://twitter.com/CJFerguson1111

A meticulously inaccurate way of framing sexism and misogyny in order to ensure the conclusion is that "sexualisation isn't bad," "anyone who complains is just attacking video games" and "this is just moral panic."
Whether this was deliberate on the author's part or genuine ignorance, now look, there's a study to link to the next time someone wants to attack criticism on representation of female characters, how convenient!

This topic should be closed, and it's beyond irresponsible that it's still open. The flaws of the analysis are transparent, and the source is a reactionary pop psychologist . He wrote a fucking evolutionary psychology paper of moral panics. Use a modicum of skepticism, people.

Don't post articles from right-wing chuds. We will peruse this thread for posts that break the rules as well.

Same denial, anger, and attacking the messenger as seen in their reaction to the Cass report.

ResetEra: Believe the science...until it contradicts my beliefs. Then it's rightwing trash.

Jack Thompson would be proud

[I don't swear]

[url=https://jmp.sh/s/T5UD6rMzxAmgwRDrW394][/url]

Wrestling has long been one of the weirdest thing about gaf/resetera. It would be the first thing on the list to ban if any of them were serious people.

What I’ve noticed is the obsession over the performative aspect. The kayfabe thing. Balance of what’s real or a show. Like a safe way to partake in schizophrenia. But turns out it’s a gateway drug to other forms of rejecting reality.

That's a good point 

I'm not going to check ResetERA.com for a thread or anything but I just saw a summary of that Cass Report and oh man are they going to lose their shit completely. Essentially points out how the field operates entirely like a psuedoscience.     

Kyuuji and co's going to need some more chud bodies to take the edge off. 

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Just a reminder this is how they responded to a report that says sexualized video games are not causing harm to male or female players:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sexualized-video-games-are-not-causing-harm-to-male-or-female-players-according-to-new-research.606036/

Is this just another conservative arguing point?

The guy, based on some op-eds written, appears to be a right-wing shithead, but eh. Just putting this out there. Grain of salt, etc etc.

Seems like this dude has no idea what the point of discussing sexualization in video games is?

Wow, thank goodness the media we consume doesn't have any effect on us. Brilliant stuff.

Did you hear? Propaganda doesn't work either!

Browsing this guy's Twitter is going about as I expected.
https://twitter.com/CJFerguson1111

A meticulously inaccurate way of framing sexism and misogyny in order to ensure the conclusion is that "sexualisation isn't bad," "anyone who complains is just attacking video games" and "this is just moral panic."
Whether this was deliberate on the author's part or genuine ignorance, now look, there's a study to link to the next time someone wants to attack criticism on representation of female characters, how convenient!

This topic should be closed, and it's beyond irresponsible that it's still open. The flaws of the analysis are transparent, and the source is a reactionary pop psychologist . He wrote a fucking evolutionary psychology paper of moral panics. Use a modicum of skepticism, people.

Don't post articles from right-wing chuds. We will peruse this thread for posts that break the rules as well.

Same denial, anger, and attacking the messenger as seen in their reaction to the Cass report.

ResetEra: Believe the science...until it contradicts my beliefs. Then it's rightwing trash.

Link to the actual study (p<.05 means significant difference, in other words, something was found to be true. If p>.05, nothing significant was found.)
https://jumpshare.com/s/T5UD6rMzxAmgwRDrW394 "Does sexualization in video games cause harm in players? A meta-analytic examination"
Abstract: Whether video games with sexualized content do or do not relate to mental health and body image problems in players, and/or sexualization and hostility toward women, is an issue of broad public interest. However, evidence from empirical studies has generally been mixed. To examine this issue, we explored the degree to which sexualization in games was related to both well-being/body dissatisfaction and sexism/misogyny among players in two separate meta-analyses. Results revealed that sexualization in games was neither related to well-being/body dissatisfaction (r = 0.082, k = 10, n = 2,010, p = .066) nor sexism/misogyny (r = 0.040, k = 15, n = 15,938, p = .070). Better designed studies, and those that showed less evidence for researcher expectancy effects (for sexism/misogyny outcomes), tended to find less evidence for effects. As appears commonly in other realms of media effects, the evidence is weak that sexualized games influence player attitudes and behavior.

So for the people that actually play the game, their mental well-being was not significantly impacted. I don't know if that n listed with 2,012 in the abstract has to do with either participants or what all was being meta-analyzed. Not a fan of them attacking the person making an article on the research while not even looking at said research which has nothing to do with the writer.

[I don't swear]

Edit: Mis clicked

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-110?post=121550835#post-121550835

Maybe she thinks if she keeps repeating the same old shit it'll magically become true.

[benji]

It's similar to the same argument they used to use for gay kids - that they were "choosing" to be gay for social acceptance and because it was "cool". It's the utter rabid insanity of people who clearly cannot remember ever going to school and haven't spoken to a child in 50 years. The notion that a child is making a decision on this stuff by what other people think is fucking madness.

Let me point out that while it's wrong and I do not condone it, a child who has their homosexuality suppressed can still be a perfectly normal homosexual as an adult. There's harm from this but it's of a type natural to children, not to homosexuality. Obviously everyone knows it's not effective but we still in theory agree that children should not be having heterosexual sex. It's something considered fine to limit socially, culturally, ethically and even legally. 

"Gender affirming care" is completely different in that you're arguing that children should be able to bypass the oversight of their parents to allow adults to permanently harm them because of a hypothetical psychological benefit you claim is impossible to determine.

If you want to argue that gay children should be able to bypass their parents to have sex with whoever they want I think we can find some priests who agree.

[benji]

I should also point out that some of the famous trans children advocates have parents who outright say they transitioned their children out of fear they'd be gay. The reasoning is similar in places like Iran. Better a straight trans daughter than a gay son.

[Echelon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-110?post=121550835#post-12155083

Maybe she thinks if she keeps repeating the same old shit it'll magically become true.

What, like "I'm a woman"?

[benji]

 First they mock astrology, then they're playing Stellar Blade...

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[Not an Alt Account]

Daily Random Virgo:

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[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Bitch has a watermelon in their bio and they think astrology is good? Let's see what the scholars have to say.. 

Astrology, horoscopes, superstition and fortune-telling are all actions of ignorance which Islam came to show as false and to explain that they are acts of polytheism.

The evidence for that is the hadith narrated by Abu Dawud in his Sunan with a sahih isnad from Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever learns anything of astrology has learned a branch of witchcraft (al-sihr)…”

Al-Bazzar narrated with a sound chain of transmission from ‘Imran ibn Husayn that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “He is not one of us who practises augury or has it done for him, who tells fortunes or has his fortune told, or who practises witchcraft or has that done for him.” Whoever claims to know some matter of the unseen either is a fortune-teller or is acting like a fortune-teller in some sense, because Allah is the only One Who has knowledge of the unseen. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning);

“Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghayb (Unseen) except Allah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]

Absolutely fucking haram. Get that shit out of here, western woman.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Edit:i'm safe because I realised my insurance doesn't cover suicide and I don't want to leave her with a mortgage to pay alone and no payout for my death, so ignore this. I'll just live on like a chump.

What the absolute fuck..

[benji]

This was a quote tweet of some trans person who was apparently beaten or something, I don't know the story or what it has to do with the UK even let alone Joanne, it's been deleted so it doesn't look like Caraballo is quoting anything:

[benji]

Damn, I'm on board with AI.

edit: oh my god

[benji]

Just a reminder this is how they responded to a report that says sexualized video games are not causing harm to male or female players:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sexualized-video-games-are-not-causing-harm-to-male-or-female-players-according-to-new-research.606036/

Same denial, anger, and attacking the messenger as seen in their reaction to the Cass report.

ResetEra: Believe the science...until it contradicts my beliefs. Then it's rightwing trash.

I think we need to remember that while they're terrible at sticking to the ideology in other respects one of the parts of the ideology that they absolutely fervently believe is the "everything is political" hierarchy. This saying is typically not understood entirely by people from outside the ideology so if you'll forgive me doing what I always do I'll elaborate on it.

The argument behind "everything is political" is not just a stupid statement that everything has some political message, even if that's how it's most often deployed, the argument is actually more than that and has an often abandoned motte to it. Namely that everything is political and that politics determines everything which is why I referred to it as a hierarchy. In their belief system there is politics above everything, everything else comes out completely determined by that original political position. 

They don't reject the scientific method exactly as much as they're saying it's irrelevant. Your results were decided before you even did anything, the "science" is just the legitimizing of your already established political position. It's fine for them to do this because their politics are correct as proven by their divine revelation, your politics are not correct so you're being dishonest and claiming you're reaching your conclusions outside of politics. This isn't possible because everything is politics and politics is everything. Appealing to science or anything else is an attempt to distract away from the politics which predetermined everything.

Because The Bire is full of highly educated cultured intellectuals, you'll recognize one of the most famous examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

This hasn't been abandoned, it's just become more subtle. There are huge swaths of academia, and "activists" in general, who completely agree with the premises behind Lysenkoism. Whole books are published about this. That SCIENCE MUST FALL video is part of this idea. The attack on things coming from white cishet males isn't an ad hoc defense even if it seems like it is, it's the logical extension of this concept plus the associated idea that your politics is predetermined by who you are. (Unless you're capable enough to escape false consciousness and therefore correct your politics to align with Hxrstory.)

This is to say, and TLDR, that the "everything is politics" claim has an unspoken corollary that everything is politics. In a totalizing ideology, this makes perfect logical sense, I won't quote Lenin or any other Marxists to spare you but their complaint about liberal politics was that it wasn't totalizing, that it encouraged you to think of certain spheres of life that were "outside politics" which is a false belief. The benefit of communism will be that everything will be exposed as political and politics will be able to determine everything through a deliberate central plan decided entirely by politics. The problem with capitalism and liberal democracy is that it fools you into ignorantly thinking there are things other than politics, they obscure the natural systemic force of politics that's led to why everything is the way it is. The revolution will correct this and end the alienation we all feel (see: Nepenthe) from the "anarchy" of life under capitalism because everything will be centrally planned. You will know exactly the "rational" reason for everything in life, the political order decreed it so.

edit: This is also why it's inherently totalitarian, not because it "corrupts" into authoritarian states but because ideologically it literally totalizes everything into it. (And so why you can't separate trans rights from Palestine or abolishing capitalism.) This is also why critical theory and its offshoots (often stuff gathered under the "Cultural Marxism" banner by right-wingers) spends so much of its attention on claiming that capitalism and liberalism is totalitarian. Their argument is that every system is totalitarian so you should want the better totalitarian system: communism, because it abolishes the corrupting exchange relations for complete rationally directed planning. It ends the obscuring of social relations.

edit2: For the record, I don't believe many of the ResetERA.com idiots or "activists" on Twitter necessarily truly believe this, they're too liberalism poisoned. I think they just still hold the premises about how things work, especially because they think it's "smart" and "intelligent" and "common sense" to claim everything is just power politics, so that's why they inconsistently go to it hardcore then drift away from it into liberal premises the rest of the time.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

of these people ever tried to distort the studies that find that trans brains are structured in line with the sex of the person's gender identity rather than the sex of their genitals or do they just conveniently pretend that evidence doesn't exist?

That evidence is tenuous at best. More accurately it's pretty much disproven. It isn't that trans brains are necessarily more like their birth sex. It's that there are pretty much no differences between the brain structures of men and women. The closest we have to a difference is that men's brains are slightly larger on average but that is just because men are bigger on average. That's mostly correlated with a person's size, not their gender or sex.

Here's a good break down by a trans writer who gets pretty far into the minutae.

https://stainedglasswoman.substack.com/p/what-we-know-about-trans-brains

Oof.. Yikes.. This isn't going to be taken well.

[Boredfrom]

Off topic: the fallout fan base is the worst and bitching about your video game lore in a TV show is really annoying when you don’t have the excuse about janky gameplay and bad writing anymore. 

Hot take: Chris Avellone is mid tier, he is considered good because most video game writers are abysmal. And guess what, he still hates the NCR you idiots. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Also the end bit from the article sums up what we're seeing now in the JK thread

Now, none of this means that progesterone isn’t crucially important for transfeminine people! For instance, it plays one half of a really important dual role with estrogen in forming and strengthening our bones, and is key to preventing dementia over the long term.

Just… probably not boobs. We can’t say for certain right now. But probably not.

What all this does mean is that we need to remember, when we try to learn from research done on us and about us, that we have a stake in the findings of that research. Just like scientists can subconsciously affect the outcome of RCT’s if they know who’s in the control group and who’s in the test group, what we want to be true affects what we believe to be true.

That’s not good science.

And I believe that trans folks deserve the benefit of the best, most recent, and most useful research done about us. Sometimes, though, that means letting go of the things we want to be true…

But aren’t.

It's a really good read.

[benji]

Also the end bit from the article sums up what we're setting now in the JK thread

That’s not good science.

And I believe that trans folks deserve the benefit of the best, most recent, and most useful research done about us. Sometimes, though, that means letting go of the things we want to be true…

But aren’t.

I just explained why this is fascist shit. Not going to read anything else by this rabid TERF. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Also the end bit from the article sums up what we're setting now in the JK thread

That’s not good science.

And I believe that trans folks deserve the benefit of the best, most recent, and most useful research done about us. Sometimes, though, that means letting go of the things we want to be true…

But aren’t.

I just explained why this is fascist shit. Not going to read anything else by this rabid TERF. 

You're right. "Good science" is just a phrase used by our enemies to defame and dehumanize us. The only science that matters is the science chosen by our AnSoc leaders!

[Boredfrom]

Fun fact about nerdy franchises: you can totally ignore stuff you hate! OG Star Wars is (mostly) still there, Watchmen comic is still reprinted, the Fallout OG games are always in sale and you can ignore Bethesda stuff outside Obsidian, the OG Final Fantasy VII is still sold.

If you admit you really enjoyed the show until

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they decided to retcon stuff you liked in other media and nuked you favorite faction

maybe you should consider how much attention you give to the lore.

“I fucking loved this show until the last episode”.  

“What happened? Did the plot  and acting took a nose dive?”

“No. They… And Bethesda says is canon.”

[Boredfrom]

And I dunno, I feel that the writing in New Vegas is overrated.  

Is better than Bethesda, for sure, but I didn’t think it was by that much. Maybe the DLC are masterpieces but my Xbox broke the disk broke before I could even finish the game.  

Also, pls Jonathan Nolan, DONT FUCKING READ REDDIT AGAIN DONT RUIN YOUR SHOW AGAIN.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Oh my god.. CANON?! That's absolutely something you can't ignore!

[benji]

Fun fact about nerdy franchises: you can totally ignore stuff you hate! OG Star Wars is (mostly) still there, Watchmen comic is still reprinted, the Fallout OG games are always in sale and you can ignore Bethesda stuff outside Obsidian, the OG Final Fantasy VII is still sold.

You're saying this like there won't be people out there being wrong. People who will like these wrong things.

Like, have you even stopped to consider what will happen when I tell people I'm a Star Wars fan and they think I'm talking about everything but The Last Jedi? They're going to assume I'm a chud, they're not going to understand that I'm actually a nuanced complex good person.

Yeah, what you're suggesting is how they win. That's not okay. This is too important.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Posting "The Last Jedi is the best film of the series" should be mandatory to gain entry into leftist spaces.

[Boredfrom]

Is funny they are bitching about the show (supposedly)

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“retconned Fallout 1 and 2”  

but Amazon Prime was giving Fallout 2 for free.

That’s how much they hate those games.