Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

When they complain about games? Justified.

When anyone else complain about games? CHUD!

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

if a game dev can't post "trans rights" on their xitter then it's justified to cancel them in real life. 

[Boredfrom]

When they complain about games? Justified.

When anyone else complain about games? CHUD!

That sounds insane.

[Boredfrom]

Such BS. We know she is pretty willing to discriminate against Asians.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/may-17-2024-ign-let’s-not-pretend-we’re-mad-the-new-assassins-creed-shadows-samurai-isn’t-asian.875043/

There's definitely been some questions I've had concerning the nature of the disappointment of the new AC game utilizing Yasuke. The anger is easily explanatory- Black people's mere existence in media bring out the racists. But I cannot particularly understand how Shadows is somehow a missed opportunity given its setting. As the author notes, male ninjas and samurai are a dime a dozen across both East Asian and Western media. If all people were looking for were a Japanese male as a samurai, I mean, you've got your pick of the litter. How many books, television shows, films, anime, and games across time have male Asian samurai in them? In turn, what would subsequently be special about Assassin's Creed: Shadows other than it's simply a higher-profile game than something like Ghosts of Tsushima?

Like, is this actually about representation, or is it about something else? Is it about the feeling that Black people took away an opportunity you felt you were owed (which would be doubly side-eye worthy because I don't think there's a significant contingent of people out there who petitioned for a hypothetical AC game set in Japan to focus on Yasuke), is this about finding acceptance under a white gaze, or a little of both? May be time to have a hard discussion with yourself if you're pressed. Or maybe I'm off kilter and AC as a franchise just has a significant contingent of folks pining for a male Asian lead. If such is the case, far be it from me to stop y'all from demanding what y'all want.

She cannot help herself.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Read Shogun instead of playing Assassins Creed. Much better use of your time.

[Polident]

Can I be honest and admit I never read their posts reposted here. I tried in the past. Always several paragraphs. Dumb screeds of a boring person.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/may-17-2024-ign-let’s-not-pretend-we’re-mad-the-new-assassins-creed-shadows-samurai-isn’t-asian.875043/

There's definitely been some questions I've had concerning the nature of the disappointment of the new AC game utilizing Yasuke. The anger is easily explanatory- Black people's mere existence in media bring out the racists.

So they're racists but not against white adjacents?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

[benji]

Also these racists really care about the racial integrity of a series that has prominently featured some Middle Easterner dude, a Native American, a biracial daughter of an African slave, a Chinese chick, some Egyptians and another Middle Easterner dude as past player characters?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Black Samurai and ninja girl? 

Same old assasins creed slog missions? 

Save 130 dollars by not buying the game AND enjoy watching resetera and chuddies cry about each other?  

[Chumbawumbafan69]

Such BS. We know she is pretty willing to discriminate against Asians.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/may-17-2024-ign-let’s-not-pretend-we’re-mad-the-new-assassins-creed-shadows-samurai-isn’t-asian.875043/

. Or maybe I'm off kilter and AC as a franchise just has a significant contingent of folks pining for a male Asian lead. If such is the case, far be it from me to stop y'all from demanding what y'all want.

Maybe I’m misremembering things but wasn’t this actually the case? For years the leads on these games would say how Ass C is specifically not the kind of game that would be set in Japan with Asian main characters?

[benji]

Asia, specifically Japan was always the most commonly requested location. I just did a basic search for old NeoGAF.com threads:

2013:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/potential-future-assassins-creed-settings-hinted-at-in-ac4-email.706921/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next-assassins-creed-location-and-time-period.727807/

2014:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ubisoft-feudal-japan-is-a-possible-setting-for-future-assassins-creed-games.754748/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/assassins-creed-v-is-not-japan-but-is-jade-raymonds-favorite-historical-era.774317/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/an-assassins-creed-set-in-feudal-japan-would-feel-over-familiar-says-ac3-director.920845/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-next-assassins-creed.933991/

2016:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/we-need-an-assassins-creed-game-set-in-sub-saharan-africa.1190513/

2018:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/speculation-the-next-assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-could-possibly-go-to-feudal-japan.1467516/

This thread also has some discussion about it:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/interesting-historical-settings-are-criminally-underused-in-modern-aaa-games.1263318/

Okay, fine, you hate far-right websites, let's try a more center-right one:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-assassins-creed-survey-hints-future-game-s-setting.10240/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-the-next-assassins-creed-game-will-be-set-in-feudal-china-or-japan.310663/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/does-ghost-of-tsushima-manage-to-scratch-that-feudal-japan-assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-itch-for-you.251193/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-first-next-gen-assassins-creed-game-has-to-be-set-in-japan-right.309904/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-assassins-creed-ever-have-a-game-set-in-japan-anymore-or-has-that-ship-sailed-with-the-release-of-ghost-of-tsushima.456829/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/now-that-we-can-take-norse-vikings-off-the-list-what-other-historical-settings-would-you-like-to-see-assassins-creed-explore.194556/

[Nintex]

Still waiting for Forza Horizon Japan.

[Potato]

The rest of the internet is completely controlled by corrupt algorithms that deliberately manipulate people into becoming chuds by giving them their harmful revealed preferences in order to spur a global united fascist movement to exterminate everyone who is not white, cis, straight and non-puppybrained yet you're all sitting here just wanting to put the staff more in danger rather than demand some basic human decency.

There might be a sliver of truth in their complaints but instead of a deliberate conspiracy it's just dying social media sites desperately trying to generate activity by robotically serving up content, any content, that has engagement as their active userbases have collapsed before investors realize they're a paper tiger. 

I still have Facebook for a few career field-related groups and some of the highlights of what I've gotten recently completely unrelated to anything I interact with: 

-Not even disguised violent fantasy about executing federal agents.

-Post blaming all of Boeing's decades in the making woes on DEI complete with a picture of a random black guy walking the factory floor. 

-Rando profiles screaming BUILD THAT WALL!!!  

-Andrew Tate worship and related content about those uppity bitches getting their comeuppance in their 30's. 

As far as Era goes I suspect the real objection is that it isn't their side's garbage being served up.

Man, all I get is lame Star Wars memes, Murdoch rags peddling outrage bait, football clickbait, and cycling thots. Actually, I don't mind the last one sometimes. Cycling chicks have good bodies.

[Potato]

If benji only knew how many likes I dish out in bad faith.

All likes on The Bire are confirmed by teams of FACT CHECKERS.

Can confirm. I check all the fatties...oh, you said fact...nevermind...

[HaughtyFrank]

Such BS. We know she is pretty willing to discriminate against Asians.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/may-17-2024-ign-let’s-not-pretend-we’re-mad-the-new-assassins-creed-shadows-samurai-isn’t-asian.875043/

There's definitely been some questions I've had concerning the nature of the disappointment of the new AC game utilizing Yasuke. The anger is easily explanatory- Black people's mere existence in media bring out the racists. But I cannot particularly understand how Shadows is somehow a missed opportunity given its setting. As the author notes, male ninjas and samurai are a dime a dozen across both East Asian and Western media. If all people were looking for were a Japanese male as a samurai, I mean, you've got your pick of the litter. How many books, television shows, films, anime, and games across time have male Asian samurai in them? In turn, what would subsequently be special about Assassin's Creed: Shadows other than it's simply a higher-profile game than something like Ghosts of Tsushima?

Like, is this actually about representation, or is it about something else? Is it about the feeling that Black people took away an opportunity you felt you were owed (which would be doubly side-eye worthy because I don't think there's a significant contingent of people out there who petitioned for a hypothetical AC game set in Japan to focus on Yasuke), is this about finding acceptance under a white gaze, or a little of both? May be time to have a hard discussion with yourself if you're pressed. Or maybe I'm off kilter and AC as a franchise just has a significant contingent of folks pining for a male Asian lead. If such is the case, far be it from me to stop y'all from demanding what y'all want.

She cannot help herself.

So if instead of a black samurai it was a white samurai everyone would react with "what's the big deal, we got enough Japanese samurais"?
Come on now

The devs themselves have also already said the chose someone not Japanese so the (western) player has a fish out of water character to identify with, which seems somewhat problematic as no other Assassins Creed did that before, implying that Japan is just too exotic otherwise

[NekoFever]

They were inevitably complaining about Shogun centring a white man just recently.

[Polident]

Think if both extremes weren’t stuck seeing the world as an extension of San Fransisco politics, the stronger transgressive argument would’ve been to have an ainu lead. You’re even hitting basic indigenous peoples and colonialism discourse.

[YuYu]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/forbes-japanese-fans-are-puzzled-that-yasuke-is-in-%E2%80%98assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-shadows%E2%80%99.875058/

What the fuck is this shit?


Absolutely garbage article.


"Concerns" - Surejan.gif


Fuck off with that shit. Pure fucking BS.

The whole thread's a gold mine

[benji]

Jeff loves his new blue check:

Jeff has scrubbed all these tweets already.

[Besticus Maximus]

In the words of the prophet George Clinton, give the people what they want when they want and they want it all the time

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/forbes-japanese-fans-are-puzzled-that-yasuke-is-in-%E2%80%98assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-shadows%E2%80%99.875058/

What the fuck is this shit?


Absolutely garbage article.


"Concerns" - Surejan.gif


Fuck off with that shit. Pure fucking BS.

The whole thread's a gold mine

They previously posted curated tweets from Japanese people who are happy/not bothered Yasuke is in the game and and it was completely fine. Weird how it's now suddenly pure fucking bullshit when someone does it the other way around.

Concluding how an entire nation feels about something from some Google translated tweets is dumb period

[PogiJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/forbes-japanese-fans-are-puzzled-that-yasuke-is-in-%E2%80%98assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-shadows%E2%80%99.875058/post-123171690

can white people stop concluding an entire nations opinion based on like 4 tweets just for 1 moment

He's completely and totally blind to the fact his own sentence condemns his own sentence. Zero, absolutely zero self-awareness among these dudes.

[PogiJones]

Jeff loves his new blue check:

Jeff has scrubbed all these tweets already.

Not quite, he couldn't bring himself to delete the one he got the most likes on

[Nintex]

I like how it went from gamergate / alt-right / Nazis / Republicans / chuds / whatever buzzword to just "white people"  

[Snoopy]

Maybe more rees would sign up if the likes button was changed to yikes

[Eric Cartman]

Deleted his post where he said no:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/announcing-new-feature-highlighting-posts.873306/page-4?post=123159825#post-123159825

Why change your mind and delete the post? There's so much opposition to this feature. Why not at least consider the suggestion of letting this feature be driven by users, rather than the staff?

Hmm... I'm not sure what's going with the sudden change of opinions, but personally I would like to see the feature have a genuine trial run. It's only been three days, and we're all thinking of how the feature may hypothetically play out. I don't think there's any harm with seeing how it actually plays out over a few months at least.

Can you please just do some focus testing or try A/Bing this instead of going off your own personal vibes in the moment. You're a big site, it's the right thing to do to keep the site sustainable.

If you look for trouble you will find it. And that's exactly what this feature will do with next to no benefit.

Almost gamer chud Cenauru

I forgot to post in here when I saw the announcement banner, I think it would be a great feature if managed well. I think the distinct difference between likes and highlights would be how much likes can be abused in bad faith, while the chance of mods doing so is much lower, plus community still having input without giving us complete control.

The only concern I can think of is if it gets used in argumentative and heated threads, I'm a bit iffy on that front specifically because it could be taken as "taking a side" in an already heated and hostile environment and escalate it further, even if not trying to. But if it's going to be reserved to just promoting positivity and well-thought-out posts, I'm all for it. This site really needs to cool a bit, and the hostility is incredibly infectious and makes it hard to not feel charged at times, or amplify a bad day. More fun shit and promoting positive engagement and good faith is definitely needed.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Think if both extremes weren’t stuck seeing the world as an extension of San Fransisco politics, the stronger transgressive argument would’ve been to have an ainu lead. You’re even hitting basic indigenous peoples and colonialism discourse.

Those who understand basic anti-colonial theory would get it

[Besticus Maximus]

A quick look at the gaming forum. There are about 3 threads max about people playing new games and each of those has a handful of pages. The rest of it is just drivel about why people shouldn’t have opinions about games, why people shouldn’t like games or hype posts where the burkah bros do critical analysis on waifus.

[Eric Cartman]

I don't need to watch a four hour YouTube video to assume the problem with a Star Wars hotel is that they didn't actually do things like make it look like Cloud City, have a "Lando" be the concierge and when you go to dinner Darth Vader turns out to be there.

I watched the whole thing, because I find Jenny Nicholson one of the few 'breadtubers' who doesn't come across as insufferably smug, and also she's a huge star wars fan, a huge nerd into LARPing, and also a huge nerd about theme parks in general and Disney in particular, so is pretty much exactly the kind of person it should have been aimed at, and how badly they fucked it all up that her experience was pretty miserable - including some shit that only resolved because of her influencer status as someone with a large twitter following that a regular shmoe would have just been left fucked over by.

The tl;dw is pretty much Disney nickel and diming to an insane extent, providing literal bare minimum for extortionate - even by Disney standards - pricing.

But the whole things worth watching, even more so that the whole things been shitcanned and is effectively a post mortem.