Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[LegendOfSwagda]

the real thing is that ubisoft is too chicken shit to have a female lead and used Yasuke and us Africans as a shield lol.

AC in Japan was the ONE setting people have been waiting for and they decided to use this one time to use a real person as one of the leads and he just so happens to be the one black guy possible..

You'd think that companies would realize the "if you don't buy it you are racist" angle simply does not work and only gets the game off on the wrong foot right?  This is going to be another bog standard ubisoft open world bloat fest but now because they gave the idiots something to piss and moan about every little flaw is going under the microscope and will be enhanced and it will be really fucking stupid too lol.  Exact same thing happened w/ Forespoken, Saints Row and to an extent Suicide Squad.

Its fascinating as hell to see companies keep shooting themselves in the foot.

[HaughtyFrank]

Excluding a hypothetical white samurai is not the same as excluding a Black samurai that actually existed,

Uh, she knows that there's actually historical white samurai, right? Like multiple times and much more documented than Yasuke

[Propagandhim]

the real thing is that ubisoft is too chicken shit to have a female lead and used Yasuke and us Africans as a shield lol.

AC in Japan was the ONE setting people have been waiting for and they decided to use this one time to use a real person as one of the leads and he just so happens to be the one black guy possible..

You'd think that companies would realize the "if you don't buy it you are racist" angle simply does not work and only gets the game off on the wrong foot right?  This is going to be another bog standard ubisoft open world bloat fest but now because they gave the idiots something to piss and moan about every little flaw is going under the microscope and will be enhanced and it will be really fucking stupid too lol.  Exact same thing happened w/ Forespoken, Saints Row and to an extent Suicide Squad.

Its fascinating as hell to see companies keep shooting themselves in the foot.

I actually don't have a problem with Yasuke or whatever "revisionist history" people are complaining about.  Whatever race a character is in any video game doesn't matter at all to me, least of all something as unimportant as Assassin's Creed.  This is like complaining that Ernest Scared Stupid isn't tapping into the right amount amount of pathos.  These games fucking suck, who cares.  Let's face it folks, it ain't no Nier.  I just think it's funny how seemingly everytime one of these situations pops up, Nepenthe tries to overlay her ethical belief system over it, which she'll back up with pages and pages of pseudo-intellectual crap, it never fits, so she makes up the rules as she goes along.  It's fucking hilarious how this person even exists.

[HaughtyFrank]

Basically that the usual language we'd use to discuss whitewashing falls flat on multiple levels, namely that A) Yasuke isn't white, B) He was an actual historical figure, C) There is a playable Japanese person in the game, and D) The depiction of Japanese men as samurai is not all that new, which begs the question of how this is a missed opportunity outside of it being Ubisoft.

A: correct
B: Same for other white samurai in the past 
C: Movies that are considered whitewashed also often have a second protagonist that's native, didn't fix anyone's problems though
D: why would this matter when we're talking about whitewashing? This has never been a talking point ever before. With the same logic you could argue that it's time to have some white, black or Asian guys play native Americans because there's really nothing new about a native American playing a native American

[Snoopy]

I think it's even better when she's blatantly copying something she's read which has phrases or words that nobody in Atlanta has used since the 1800s like "And thus..." Then she'll add her spin into it which invariably makes so sense and doesn't match anything she's just posted. 

And thus low socioeconomic status is associated with higher risk of developing and dying from cardiovascular disease in niggas because white peepo

[HaughtyFrank]

The problem they're basically facing is that Yasuke being black still doesn't make it very different from the arguments they made against white savior narratives, the only real difference is that it hasn't happened with black characters before but the arguments they've made for why the savior trope is bad still hold true.
There's a bunch of chinese propaganda movies where the chinese hero goes to Africa and saves the helpless Africans from evil imperialists. These movies play on all the tropes of white savior movies with the only difference that it's a chinese savior. Why should that suddenly be excused? 

The impression I get from Nepenthe and co is that they were only happy to criticize these tropes as long as they weren't the target of the criticism.
It makes me think about this recent Channel 4 report

Shit, turns out making racist insults is racist even when you're a minority yourself

[Potato]

The problem they're basically facing is that Yasuke being black still doesn't make it very different from the arguments they made against white savior narratives, the only real difference is that it hasn't happened with black characters before but the arguments they've made for why the savior trope is bad still hold true.
There's a bunch of chinese propaganda movies where the chinese hero goes to Africa and saves the helpless Africans from evil imperialists. These movies play on all the tropes of white savior movies with the only difference that it's a chinese savior. Why should that suddenly be excused? 

The impression I get from Nepenthe and co is that they were only happy to criticize these tropes as long as they weren't the target of the criticism.
It makes me think about this recent Channel 4 report

Shit, turns out making racist insults is racist even when you're a minority yourself

See the stupid Sam Kerr situation...

[benji]

Yeah, all of this. I've seen how uncharitable members can be, I've personally experienced it firsthand both to me directly, and in threads involving trans people in general. I find it hard to trust the community with full control with features like these.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/announcing-new-feature-highlighting-posts.873306/page-5?post=123194784#post-123194784

Okay, but that's not an explanation for why you would trust the staff with it.

[benji]

Nepenthe is making the same error, all her reasons may be good ones not to deny a Black samurai but they are not a reason for for a Black samurai.

They run into this problem a lot, where they think taking down someone else's argument for something leaves only their argument by default so they don't have to ever make the case for theirs. "Capitalism is not perfect, THEREFORE socialism is ideal." "I don't feel like a man based on some stereotypes so gender roles must be wrong, THEREFORE I'm a woman." "I don't like Stellar Blade, THEREFORE Forspoken must be amazing." "I hate racists, THEREFORE anyone who dislikes Forspoken is racist."

No, you've never established any of the premises for the second thing.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

If only you'd washed your meat and your legs, you'd see the light 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Excluding a hypothetical white samurai is not the same as excluding a Black samurai that actually existed,

Uh, she knows that there's actually historical white samurai, right? Like multiple times and much more documented than Yasuke

Yasuke was never Hatamoto. How can he even COMPETE.

[HaughtyFrank]

Mind you Yasuke doesn't necessarily have to fall into the savior or mighty whity trope but the nature of a videogame pretty much dictates that he's going to be more badass at being a samurai than anyone Japanese and the official bio on ubisofts website already talks about how he'll "free Japan from it's oppressors"



Honestly I think people in Japan might end up more pissed about that last bit than the protagonist choice

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

But.. he was on Nobunaga's side. The literal oppressor who sought to unite Japan by sword.

[Averon]

Yeah, all of this. I've seen how uncharitable members can be, I've personally experienced it firsthand both to me directly, and in threads involving trans people in general. I find it hard to trust the community with full control with features like these.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/announcing-new-feature-highlighting-posts.873306/page-5?post=123194784#post-123194784

Why stay in a community that you feel so distrustful towards that you think a simple like system gives the plebs too much "power"? Just admit you don't want a like system because it will expose how much of a minority certain communities and mod-protected individuals are on ResetERA.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I'm going to guess they're talking about the Jesuits. Yasuke joins the Assassins after the assassination of Nobunaga, he then aids Tokugawa Ieyasu from the shadows and helps push for the banning of Christianity.

[benji]

I'm going to question the premise that a military caste can free Japan from their "oppressors" when they were backing the dominant shoguns, were in service to the LANDLORDS and could just straight up kill lower class people.

[benji]

Look everyone, this foreign mercenary is here to ensure we're tied to the land and have no power within a rigid hereditary caste system that will endure for centuries more! YAAAY OUR HERO! THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING! FROM THE RIVER TO SEA JAPAN WILL BE FREE!

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

it would've been cooler if they just MADE Yasuke the oppressor who then deciding to join the Assassins by, I don't know, killing Nobunaga and framing someone else for it. Maybe after seeing the Samurai slaughtering farmers and burning towns.

It'd be more fun to have one of the two player characters being a bad guy until the final chapters.

[Chumbawumbafan69]

It's perfect that the forum cops decided what their forum needed was the electoral college of likes.

[benji]

it would've been cooler if they just MADE Yasuke the oppressor who then deciding to join the Assassins by, I don't know, killing Nobunaga and framing someone else for it. Maybe after seeing the Samurai slaughtering farmers and burning towns.

It'd be more fun to have one of the two player characters being a bad guy until the final chapters.

Really, just make him a straight up mercenary who is playing all sides until the end when his LOVE OF FREEDOM means he ultimately sides with whoever Ubisoft's DEI team and Sweet Baby Inc. has decided should be the good guys.

"Here's my pitch, Yves, Black Samurai Deathstroke." (From that book from the Massive lead I read you don't actually pitch to Yves at Ubisoft but I don't remember the name of the guy.)

[Boredfrom]

But.. he was on Nobunaga's side. The literal oppressor who sought to unite Japan by sword.

Nobunaga is like Julius Caesar of being “whatever the politics of the time feels like”.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-peoples-joker-is-the-most-ive-ever-cried-at-a-movie-warning-open-spoilers-and-extremely-trans-opinions-inside.845001/?post=123201516#post-123201516

Finally caught this tonight. I was concerned I might not get it since I'm not trans and also thought the trailer was kind of too over the top, but watching the movie itself I think I understood most of it just from having trans acquaintances and because the experiences Vera is bringing up have enough universal qualities that most people can get it. I didn't get the emotional impact that some might get but yeah stuff hit nevertheless.

I also thought the movie was just over the top enough for me. If you have Batman knowledge though, everything hits harder lol. A lot of fun little tweaks to that mythos and I enjoyed this quite a bit! Looking forward to anything that comes next from Vera

[Boredfrom]

it would've been cooler if they just MADE Yasuke the oppressor who then deciding to join the Assassins by, I don't know, killing Nobunaga and framing someone else for it. Maybe after seeing the Samurai slaughtering farmers and burning towns.

It'd be more fun to have one of the two player characters being a bad guy until the final chapters.

The whole Assassins vs Templars stuff has been annoying since 2. In theory should be Order/Law Vs Chaos/Freedom but it ends in BadGuysVSGoodGuys.

Ubisoft is too chicken afraid to separate this games from the AssCreed franchise even if it sounds like Ezio is the only protagonist that people give a damn about in those games, after Desmond shit the bed.

[remy]

I don't think you could pitch a movie less appealing to me than the people's joker

[Polident]

it would've been cooler if they just MADE Yasuke the oppressor who then deciding to join the Assassins by, I don't know, killing Nobunaga and framing someone else for it. Maybe after seeing the Samurai slaughtering farmers and burning towns.

It'd be more fun to have one of the two player characters being a bad guy until the final chapters.

The whole Assassins vs Templars stuff has been annoying since 2. In theory should be Order/Law Vs Chaos/Freedom but it ends in BadGuysVSGoodGuys.

Ubisoft is too chicken afraid to separate this games from the AssCreed franchise even if it sounds like Ezio is the only protagonist that people give a damn about in those games, after Desmond shit the bed.

What is the main story, anyway? Last I played was the Egypt game. Think in the real world you were some lady with links to the Egyptian guy. Given this game has two playable characters, and the gimmick is needing the generic connection, eventually the two characters will have kids? Or have they finally dropped the sci fi shit?

[Uncle]

The problem they're basically facing is that Yasuke being black still doesn't make it very different from the arguments they made against white savior narratives, the only real difference is that it hasn't happened with black characters before but the arguments they've made for why the savior trope is bad still hold true.
There's a bunch of chinese propaganda movies where the chinese hero goes to Africa and saves the helpless Africans from evil imperialists. These movies play on all the tropes of white savior movies with the only difference that it's a chinese savior. Why should that suddenly be excused? 

The impression I get from Nepenthe and co is that they were only happy to criticize these tropes as long as they weren't the target of the criticism.
It makes me think about this recent Channel 4 report

Shit, turns out making racist insults is racist even when you're a minority yourself

does anyone know why blame space was banned

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-peoples-joker-is-the-most-ive-ever-cried-at-a-movie-warning-open-spoilers-and-extremely-trans-opinions-inside.845001/?post=123201516#post-123201516

because the experiences Vera is bringing up have enough universal qualities that most people can get it.

Woah, woah, woah, enough with the transphobia buddy!

[Rendle]

does anyone know why blame space was banned

That's clearly the real reason why there will never be likes on resetera. Someone will post something like that, and then after it receives dozens of likes they can't ban who wrote it without defending why they are banning someone for a statement that the majority seem to actually agree with, and "boy's club rhetoric" or "inflammatory" won't be good enough.

[benji]

then after it receives dozens of likes they can't ban who wrote it without defending why they are banning someone for a statement that the majority seem to actually agree with

Sure they can, and all the chuds who just showed their asses with the likes.

[Averon]

Imagine if ResetERA had a like system during PoliERA's execution and exposure of Neppy being an anti-semite.