Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

Benji will sneak into your room at night to take pictures of himself putting his balls in your mouth, but because he doesn't derive any sexual pleasure from the act, it's 100% ethical.

But you know what is 100% unethical? AI generating these images and calling yourself an artist.

[Polident]

The kind of doxing that funny to me are the schizophrenic ones about a celebrity posting on 4chan or some obscure hobby forum. Like Taylor Swift being a 4chan user early in her career. Or Sydney Sweeney posting on thebore.net.

[BananaBlast]

Look, how Hackerman does things on NCIS is not how things work in the real world. The stuff you're talking about is either meaningless ("leaked IP info") or nonsensical (hacking into individual accounts to obtain account information) and wouldn't add anything to doxing in the first place other than being harder confirmation.

I'm not (currently) an IT specialist so you'll have to excuse if I misused some words and processes, but I was trying to say people getting information from unethical methods like using login data from illegal data breaches, using their IP info to gain access to something else that they're unaware of, or brute forcing in their way into their accounts. That kind of thing.

There are many different instances of a person getting their account hacked by an outsider, and getting confidential things getting leaked to the public. Off the top of my head, the fappening, when several hollywood actresses had their nudes leaked due to someone breaching into the Icloud. Accounts being hacked into and leaking out stuff inside the account that was never shared in the public domain.

I certainly don't know everything Kiwi Farms users have ever done but I highly doubt they've done what you claim here as the main advantage their prominent members have over any of us is that some of them are people who actually pay for access to common databases plus the many paying for access to things like Patreons/Discords/etc. to keep up on their lolcows. I don't care about Nepenthe anywhere near enough to look at that shit, let alone pay for it. I haven't even read a quarter of her tweets.

Me neither, however I do remember a few instances of Kiwi Farms users literally detailing the process of them trying to breach someone's accounts, and I doubt it was some kind of elaborate joke. I'm not saying those were the methods used to get Crossing Eden's info, I'm just describing that's the kind of doxxing method that is deplorable and unethical.

You've clarified that you don't hack and just research things that they've chosen to post publicly at some point in time, so obviously there wouldn't be any issue there.

Lastly, I really need to disabuse you of the notion that things you share with others are "private information" especially when those people are not constrained by law (such as medical or education records) or industry ethical codes (such as medicine or law) purely from an information standpoint. My stance as mentioned regarding this ethically would be the same as legally, there's no additional value to pursuing these things versus available public information. Even if I would love to see the grades and similar information of many ResetERA.com members. A power ranking of SAT/ACT scores (and international equivalents) would be hilarious.

If someone shares something intimate with one other person, whether it's the inside of someone's room or a nude photo shared between partners, and someone hacks into the account and leaks that to the public, you wouldn't consider that a breach of private information?

[Snoopy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hey-bisexuals-what-be-your-preferences.965151/page-2#post-127800858
[quote=Melody Shreds]Extremely feminine men is about as far as I'll go nowadays.
Otherwise woman all day.

I think somebody's finally seen Kyuuji's photo.

[benji]

The kind of doxing that funny to me are the schizophrenic ones about a celebrity posting on 4chan or some obscure hobby forum. Like Taylor Swift being a 4chan user early in her career. Or Sydney Sweeney posting on thebore.net.

Pretty sure those are real, breh.

[BananaBlast]

I apologize for the wall of text that has nothing to do with Ree, btw. 

Next time if it's too off topic from mocking/criticizing Ree users, I'm probably just PM.

[BananaBlast]

Talking about old users, I always wondered what happened to that Xaszatm guy. Dude seemed like he was always on the verge of committing a mass shooting.

Yes, I'm very curious too what happened to him as well.

He was a regular in the burka thread in its earlier years. And boy, he was such an obnoxious preachy loser. Despite being a man (oh I'm sorry..... non-binary AMAB) he was the most frequent poster in a thread titled "why women criticize".

[Besticus Maximus]

I unironically consider this thread to be fascinating ethnography. It's a living document of the forces interacting between the internet and the collective psyche of humanity. All of the big questions of the future are being answered.

[benji]

If someone shares something intimate with one other person, whether it's the inside of someone's room or a nude photo shared between partners, and someone hacks into the account and leaks that to the public, you wouldn't consider that a breach of private information?

Here's my response to most of your post: if you send me some stuff in Discord DMs and I post it on Twitter, your "private information" wasn't violated and people need to stop saying this, connecting it to "doxing"/"leaking" and acting like it's a crime because it encourages stupidity and especially encourages cops to be cops.

Nobody's talking about anything to do with hacking or stealing or leaking anything, this is ignoratio elenchi.

[BananaBlast]

True, but I think if it's something more intimate, I think it's still some kind of breach of assumed privacy. 

At the very least, a breach of trust and showing intimate details into the public.

Anyway my concerns were addressed well enough so I think I'll just end it here.

[MMaRsu]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hit-game-black-myth-wukong-faces-backlash-after-telling-players-not-to-discuss-%E2%80%98feminist-propaganda%E2%80%99-guardian.965667/

"Oh How I wish this was reported earlier so it would have sold less"

😂😂😂😂 

Didnt Hogwarts Legacy wake these morons up that nobody cares about their dumb bullshit?

[DocWager]

…And I used to think Benji was Nep.

[PogiJones]

edit: This was not intended to be a response to Pogi on the last page, which I had not seen yet, but it worked out while I was posting it.

Make your accidental responses shorter, no one has time to look for a possible rebuttal in all that

[PogiJones]

I agree they rely on their made up image to be terrible forum people, but I don't think that rises to the level of justifying doxxing. They're wrong, but they're not criminal, and to me, that's what it takes to justify doxxing, severe criminality. Obviously you disagree, I get that, but I just gotta speak my mind, to push back against the cheering on of what I think is clearly wrong.

[Besticus Maximus]

I agree they rely on their made up image to be terrible forum people, but I don't think that rises to the level of justifying doxxing. They're wrong, but they're not criminal, and to me, that's what it takes to justify doxxing, severe criminality. Obviously you disagree, I get that, but I just gotta speak my mind, to push back against the cheering on of what I think is clearly wrong.

I'd have more sympathy if certain key characters hadn't actively ruined lives of people just doing their jobs for the crime of divergent opinion. Their ideological perspective is predicated on rules for thee and not for me. Thus always to tyrants!

Also, on a deeper level it's helpful to remember what absolute chump is actually sitting behind the monitor when evaluating their huge tracts on morality, thought policing and witch hunting.

Now and then you get a rare pokemon like PlanetSmasher who is ostensibly normal but just deeply, deeply mad

I'd watch a 10 episode documentary of these people. Just going around encountering humans and tasks.

[Polident]

The kind of doxing that funny to me are the schizophrenic ones about a celebrity posting on 4chan or some obscure hobby forum. Like Taylor Swift being a 4chan user early in her career. Or Sydney Sweeney posting on thebore.net.

Pretty sure those are real, breh.

Is Sydney the one who always responds to my jelqing tips posts with an image of Silver the Hedgehog saying “it’s no use!”?

[PogiJones]

I agree they rely on their made up image to be terrible forum people, but I don't think that rises to the level of justifying doxxing. They're wrong, but they're not criminal, and to me, that's what it takes to justify doxxing, severe criminality. Obviously you disagree, I get that, but I just gotta speak my mind, to push back against the cheering on of what I think is clearly wrong.

You're being annoying, you need to acclimate

[benji]

I agree they rely on their made up image to be terrible forum people, but I don't think that rises to the level of justifying doxxing. They're wrong, but they're not criminal, and to me, that's what it takes to justify doxxing, severe criminality. Obviously you disagree, I get that, but I just gotta speak my mind, to push back against the cheering on of what I think is clearly wrong.

If they're criminals the ethical duty is to report the crimes, not publicly shame them for hiding the crimes.

[MMM]

Gathering public information on people, linking it to private accounts of individuals and then publicly posting it all is absolutely unethical lmao. If somebody wants to be private then let them be private. If they find entertainment in playing pretend online then let them cook.

Just call them mentally ill and keep it moving.

[benji]

If somebody wants to be private then let them be private. 

None of the people we're talking about want to be private.

[MMM]

If somebody wants to be private then let them be private. 

None of the people we're talking about want to be private.

So would you agree with me if they did want to be private?

You're presenting a lot of this as if it is in the public interest to expose some mentally ill people from a forum.

[benji]

Obviously you disagree, I get that, but I just gotta speak my mind, to push back against the cheering on of what I think is clearly wrong.

Also I disagree on this. You're clearly in the majority here and if the members make clear that they consider it massively unethical (near illegal) and want it to stop I will have to take that into account as they will not post on an unethical forum.

I may be honest about this being my property unlike other people who operate forums and wish to elude that fact but that doesn't mean I want to make this be a place of only my ethics or shutting the fuck up is free.

You're presenting a lot of this as if it is in the public interest to expose some mentally ill people from a forum.

I do in fact consider the free spread of information to be in the public interest and can work on posting a bibliography if you would like.

[MMaRsu]

Who cares boys they hate us we wont spam their personal but if their info in up who is to say NO YOU CANT LOOK AT THIS INFO

Also CrossingEden is a corporate dicksuck

[benji]

I don't know if I would label it unethical but, yes, I personally prefer members critique and insult here versus messaging them directly. I think that's far and away the supermajority position here.

I would prefer they be challenged on ResetERA.com when they say insane things but I know too many on there value their accounts for that to ever happen.

[who is ted danson?]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ConcordGame/s/t5iHLSuWoy

Just Klarna it. That's what I did for 2 concord controllers.

That's right, put those Concord dualshocks on finance 

[PogiJones]

Okay, first, yes, they should be reported if, for example, they're bragging about killing a hooker overseas or something (yes, I just saw that in the Fermilab allegations), and while I don't think someone should be doxxed over hearsay (like in that report), if you have their own writing saying such, I don't mind them being doxxed in addition to being reported, nor for things like CP and Amirox. I'm not saying they should be doxxed in lieu of being reported, I'm saying their behavior is bad enough that it's justified in and of itself. The only difference is I think there's a threshold that needs to be met, and you don't. We both believe (I think?) in reporting criminal actions.

Second, you're doing the thing people do where they abstract out to obscure what's actually being discussed. For example, when I say punching someone should lead to imprisonment, I'm not advocating that "hand movements should be banned," I'm advocating that that very specific hand movement in that scenario should be banned because it damages and can possibly kill someone else. If you abstract out to the class of "banning hand movements," you're obfuscating the actual relevant topic with platitudes about controlling your own hands.

Likewise, I'm not saying that "information" in general should be suppressed, but what specific information? The location of relocated abuse victims from their abusive father? Yes, that should be suppressed in that specific instance, and attempting to abstract that out to an attack on freedom of information is nothing more than an obfuscation. And yes, I think privacy is a real thing that ethics needs to deal with, and so do you, because you don't think the state (a powerful group of people) should have all your info whenever they want.

I didn't say what you did should be illegal, I said it's wrong. I am not suppressing your voice by advocating for a general respect for privacy, even for bad people until they reach some (very subjective, I acknowledge) threshold. I don't think they should dox you just because they think you're bad, either.

[PogiJones]

You deleted most of your rant, and now my rant looks absurd in comparison. I can't believe you'd oppress me like this 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Benji's just a cat. A cat doesn't know what's ethical and what isn't.  

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Pogi is a good guy. 

[Uncle]

This banana blast guy does not fit the vibe at all.

Leave the bananaman alone.

Yeah. I've seen it dozens of times: someone finally finds a new forum or discord they like because it's so chill, so they get a little excited, a little overzealous and so are kind of annoying for a bit, but then they acclimate to the chill vibe after a while, chill out themselves and are then cool dudes. Gotta just give them time to adjust, as with any person in a new social environment. That being said, nicely telling them when they're being a bit annoying is an essential step in that acclimation process. Otherwise, how can they know?

when are YOU going to chill out