I'd really like to go back to a time when I mostly associated euphoria with goofy internet atheists. Now it's just something creepy.
(07-27-2023, 10:24 AM)benji wrote: I hope nobody makes a thread with a poll asking how many "older and infirmed" members shit themselves, the harm to the community might be too great. 
Shittin' myself in solidarity. 
(07-27-2023, 10:39 AM)benji wrote: I don't know why I looked at Cenuaru's latest tweets but I did and now you too should feel the euphoria:
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what even authoritatively decides whether a group is a hate group?
Quote:The House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution and Limited Government – formerly known as the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties until Republicans renamed it when taking the House this year – has invited anti-transgender activists to the hearing, which will take place on Thursday at 10 a.m. The witnesses listed on the website include Paula Scanlan, a former University of Pennsylvania swimmer who has been outspoken in her opposition to her former teammate Lia Thomas; conservative activist Chloe Cole who transitioned as a teenager and later detransitioned; Jennifer Bauwens of the anti-LGBTQ+ hate group Family Research Council; and May Mailman of the far-right Independent Women’s Law Center.
so apparently this is the only "hate group" listed which the subcommittee is listening to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council
Quote:In 2010, the Southern Poverty Law Center classified FRC as an anti-LGBT hate group due to what it says are the group's "false claims about the LGBT community based on discredited research and junk science" in an effort to block LGBT civil rights.[15][16] In 2012, the FRC's headquarters were attacked by a gunman, resulting in an injury to a security guard, in connection with this designation.[17]
is the Southern Poverty Law Center an accredited hate-group-defining organization? like others can say "this is a hate group" but it doesn't count until SPLC says it?
is it enough for the majority of members of a group to express extreme distaste with the views of another, to say they are haters? or to espouse policies which as a natural consequence would lead to an extreme reduction in proponents of an opposing ideology (for example, campaigning to get something taught/not taught in schools)?
is there any grounds to consider any LGBT-positive groups as hate groups, since they surely hate those who are against them?
oh there was an article on this exact thing:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2018/11/08/feature/is-the-southern-poverty-law-center-judging-hate-fairly/
Quote:See that speck there?” retired Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin says, directing my gaze to the ceiling of the Family Research Council’s lobby in Washington. I spy a belly-button-size opening in the plaster. “That’s a bullet hole.”
The blemish has been preserved for six years. “See that?” he asks, now indicating a cratered fire alarm panel near the reception desk. “That’s a bullet hole. That’s the first round. The second went through the arm of the building manager. The third round hit the ceiling. … Fired on August 15th, 2012, by Floyd Lee Corkins.”
The hero of that day was the building manager, Leo Johnson, who tackled Corkins and was shot in the arm as they scuffled. Asked by an FBI agent how he came to single out the FRC, Corkins replied: “Southern Poverty Law lists anti-gay groups.” The gunman, who was found to be mentally ill, was sentenced to 25 years in prison.
“He came in here to kill as many of us as possible because he found us listed as a hate group on the Southern Poverty Law Center website,” continues Boykin, FRC’s executive vice president, who is dressed today in a leather vest over a shirt and tie. “We and others like us who are on this ‘hate map’ believe that this is very reckless behavior. … The only thing that we have in common is that we are all conservative organizations. … You know, it would be okay if they just criticized us. … If they wrote op-eds about us and all that. But listing us as a hate group is just a step too far because they put us in the same category as the Ku Klux Klan. And who are they to have a hate-group list anyhow?”
(07-26-2023, 10:55 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/metas-competitor-to-%F0%9D%95%8F-called-threads-now-with-brand-new-following-tab-functionality.737511/page-138#post-109502794
Royale with cheese wrote:Fortunately (unfortunately?) I’ve learned rather than following news publications (although I do follow a few), for my breaking news I prioritize following specific journalists who cover the beats I care about.
Think of the names that not only write about subjects you care about, but who commentate in a way that edifies you. For example,even among journalists/commentators who speak on subjects I care about, I don’t follow the ones who allow themselves to be prone to hot-take culture. 
my takes about murdering a dude being just a little chaos is actually a perfectly reasonable and cool headed response 
please don't say "shit their pants" and instead say "evacuated bowels" to show some consideration for former mods who shit their pants
(07-27-2023, 11:03 AM)Uncle wrote: (07-27-2023, 10:59 AM)Boredfrom wrote: "It is not a fetish."
"and if it is, so what? let consenting adults* have their fun"
*children count as consenting adults
"and if they don't consent, they're a fucking transphobic piece of shit so nobody should care what they think anyway"
(07-27-2023, 01:31 PM)Eric Cartman wrote: please don't say "shit their pants" and instead say "evacuated bowels" to show some consideration for former mods who shit their pants
I think it comes full circle back to "committed pants-shitting" as the accepted phrase
Committed bowels genocide imo
https://www.resetera.com/threads/replacements-for-g-o-websites-kotaku-avclub-jezebel-etc-whats-good-out-there.746848/
They were always trash sites. But the fact that the OP still finds Kotaku “fine” mades clear he doesn’t have high standards to begin with.
(07-27-2023, 01:48 PM)BIONIC wrote: Committed bowels genocide imo
"there's a genocide in my pants and you're invited?"
(07-27-2023, 02:45 AM)benji wrote: (07-27-2023, 02:43 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/sin%C3%A9ad-o%E2%80%99connor-acclaimed-dublin-singer-dies-aged-56.746488/page-3#post-109532680
Dan L wrote:please don't say committed suicide, died by suicide is the way to phrase it. Denying the agency of the person's final act is very cool. What irks me most about this is that user "Dan L" doesn't qualify this, explain it, show some links demonstrating why the original wording is bad or how the new one helps, or literally ANYTHING of value besides dropping some dictation about how another person should speak. It's indicative of Era culture - totally prescriptive and most likely complete nonsense.
(07-27-2023, 03:33 PM)AldusMoneyPenny wrote: (07-27-2023, 02:45 AM)benji wrote: (07-27-2023, 02:43 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/sin%C3%A9ad-o%E2%80%99connor-acclaimed-dublin-singer-dies-aged-56.746488/page-3#post-109532680 Denying the agency of the person's final act is very cool. What irks me most about this is that user "Dan L" doesn't qualify this, explain it, show some links demonstrating why the original wording is bad or how the new one helps, or literally ANYTHING of value besides dropping some dictation about how another person should speak. It's indicative of Era culture - totally prescriptive and most likely complete nonsense.
"it's not my responsibility to educate you"
Spoiler: (click to show)(click to hide) say the people who also get mad at people who "do their own research" and end up with non-mainstream conclusions
My emotional labor is not free 
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(07-26-2023, 08:52 PM)porkbun wrote: (07-26-2023, 07:53 PM)HaughtyFrank wrote: (07-26-2023, 07:27 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/erm-what-just-happened-to-mitch-mcconnell.746530/
Armchair Diagnosis
Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/erm-what-just-happened-to-mitch-mcconnell.746530/#post-109532959
It really is amazing how full of shit they are. This just a day after some dude got banned for "diagnosing" Biden. Like don't they know that the right does the same thing anytime Biden does something odd? I really don't care about armchair diagnosing but it's that blatant hypocrisy that gets me
It's not even an "armchair diagnosis". Both Biden and McConnell are in their 80s and their behavior is fairly normal for people of that age. Really "both sides" should be looking at why so many high level politicians are geriatric. But that would eliminate easy "dunks" so keyboard warrriors can extend their e-penis.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/knee-sliding-chaos-clown-lady-says-tie-your-shoes-kids.746290/#post-109506073
crienne (They/Them), post: 109506073, member: 4463 wrote:The best part is the switch back from cutesy voice to gruff voice on “isn’t that grand”. Also it’s wild how much gender envy I get from a fucking clown. I hate it…mostly.
JoeBoy101 dateline='[url=tel:1690451240' wrote: 1690451240[/url]']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/erm-what-just-happened-to-mitch-mcconnell.746530/post-109556683
Snormy wrote:Locking for review of reports.
Hmmm. Nearly 12 hours to review the reports. Must have been more than a couple, right?
BIONIC dateline='[url=tel:1690474762' wrote: 1690474762[/url]']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/knee-sliding-chaos-clown-lady-says-tie-your-shoes-kids.746290/#post-109506073
crienne (They/Them), post: 109506073, member: 4463 wrote:The best part is the switch back from cutesy voice to gruff voice on “isn’t that grand”. Also it’s wild how much gender envy I get from a fucking clown. I hate it…mostly.
Some REAL boy’s club rhetoric in there.
Quote:is she single
Quote:kind of hot
Quote:She can knee slide into my heart.
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(07-27-2023, 03:18 PM)Uncle wrote: (07-27-2023, 01:48 PM)BIONIC wrote: Committed bowels genocide imo
"there's a genocide in my pants and you're invited?"
Uncle refusing to get bottom surgery?
(07-27-2023, 05:01 PM)Uncle wrote: same vibes
No way, this is so much worse.
(07-26-2023, 07:35 PM)JoeBoy101 wrote: Hap Shaughnessy dateline='[url=tel:1690399661' wrote: 1690399661[/url]']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/erm-what-just-happened-to-mitch-mcconnell.746530/
Armchair Diagnosis
Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/erm-what-just-happened-to-mitch-mcconnell.746530/#post-109532959
Lightning Count wrote:Ableism and ageism is their weapon of choice except when it applies to them. Classic double standards.
Jesus, that thread is ghoulish.
Quote:Oh hohoho. Not going to say a word. But this on the same day tha Giuliani admits he lied about those GA poll workers….maaaannnnn.
Quote:They forgot to recharge him.
(I'd like to think that was a moment of sudden realization of all the suffering he has caused in his life, but yeah.)
Quote:Get Clarence Thomas next
Quote:Hoping for nothing but the worst for him
Quote:Lol my man is stroking out. Get wrecked.
Quote:Please let this kill him
But it won't because these fucks sustain themselves off of pure evil
![[Image: CW4CnGM.jpeg]](https://i.imgur.com/CW4CnGM.jpeg)
(07-27-2023, 10:39 AM)benji wrote: I don't know why I looked at Cenuaru's latest tweets but I did and now you too should feel the euphoria:
Spoiler: (click to show)(click to hide)
The name they used?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/15aizp9/comment/jtnxdyr/
Quote:I've also named myself after my FFXIV character's first name. One thing I realized is when I finally named her and stopped using a generic internet handle name for her, was me experimenting with names before I even realized I'm trans. I thought I was giving her a name, but it was me using her as a safe place to experiment with personal changes that I wanted for myself.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/nba-2023-offseason-ot-end-of-lebrongelion-pt-2-rise-of-wembanyama.730158/page-127#post-109466779
Quote:  User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Commentary
Crono wrote:Wow glad to hear its better.. but part of me is thinking is he taking stuff he shouldnt.... I hate having that mindset but a kid that age having a heart attack is crazy. Wish the best for him and his family. That must be scary af...
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Hap Shaughnessy dateline='[url=tel:1690477809' wrote: 1690477809[/url]']
BIONIC dateline='[url=tel:1690453078' wrote: 1690453078[/url]']
Needs that Shaq meme:
Wishing a graphic slow and agonizing death on your enemy: I sleep
Implying they pooped themselves: Real shit
  
Quote:if i were to guess perhaps he might be in the beginning stages of dimentia and completely forgot what he was gonna say.
They really give this user a week ban on the possiblity while others who I'm sure they do it a lot irl jokingly say he pooped himself?
07-27-2023, 05:30 PM
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Lots of posts about pooping pants gate from constructive:
AMAGON, post: 109552246, member: 2392 wrote:Who's the genius and their thought processes on banning someone making a poop joke as "inappropriate commentary" but numerous members making posts before and after that user is banned about wishing death on someone is allowed in the recent Mitch McConnell thread?
Just curious here 🤔
Alavard, post: 109552366, member: 2582 wrote:Seriously. If asking if Mitch McConnell pooped himself is ageist or something, than aren't all the posts speculating that he had a stroke equally problematic? A lot of people absolutely speculated it was a stroke due to his age, after all. I'm on the pro-poop joke side, fyi, just don't understand what line it specifically crossed.
Dan L, post: 109552603, member: 23277 wrote:I reported it with that same question, and got this response:
They disregarded that I was questioning why they were so heavy handed on that one, not that they need to be heavy handed on others - A warning would have been more than sufficient and/or a staff post.
Coyote Starrk, post: 109552651, member: 27661 wrote:Yeah I have to agree. Joking about pooping oneself is not even an age related thing. We have all done it and we all have thousand yard stares when it happens.
Something like that needs a warning. Not a ban. Unless of course the person has a history of ignore warnings etc etc.
AMAGON, post: 109553077, member: 2392 wrote:I just reported the latest user in the thread with another posting about wishing death on someone. I don't like Mitch myself but this shit cannot slide.
NinjaScooter, post: 109555117, member: 2919 wrote:What’s wrong with wanting Mitch McConnell to die?
echoshifting, post: 109555834, member: 1917 wrote:I think it was probably an especially eloquent and well-reasoned report and just want to say I have no issue with the ban at all. It's a three-day ban, not a felony conviction. Who cares. I think comparing the ban to non-bans for posts hoping he dies or suggesting the dude had a stroke is weird and kinda has gotcha vibes. Like who gives a shit it's Mitch fucking McConnell. Yeah think about your quips and who they land on, frankly that should happen more often here.
Natiko, post: 109555879, member: 2482 wrote:Right? I don’t even want anyone to be reprimanded for wishing upon or wanting to celebrate the death of that ghoul. Wanting to punish someone for that statement though is a leap. I know some current staff have said worse.
Natiko, post: 109555966, member: 2482 wrote:What then of the stance that none of it was ban worthy? It’s so comically asinine to suspend someone over that while allowing the other comments. That’s not an indictment on the ill wishes to that asswipe, but arguing the original statement is somehow more inflammatory is absurd. Imagine if we tried to apply this same level of independent assessment to the gaming forums. Everyone would be suspended in days lol
echoshifting, post: 109556053, member: 1917 wrote:Honestly I'm not sure what you mean and don't spend a lot of time on that side, but it's three days. That user hasn't been executed. If someone made a well-reasoned argument in a report why that post could be hurtful, it's a good ban. I'm generally opposed to long or permanent bans but three days? It's weird to me that anyone feels there needs to be a discussion.
mnk, post: 109556062, member: 32549 wrote:The person who reported that post explained their reasoning later in the thread (and it was fairly eloquent and well-reasoned).
Natiko, post: 109556128, member: 2482 wrote:I’m sure you’re well aware that ban history is cumulative, and Era staff will evaluate your past punishments when determining escalated punishment.
echoshifting, post: 109556149, member: 1917 wrote:I'm very aware of that and am feeling pretty good in my assertions, in that it is unlikely that an isolated poop joke warranting a three day ban is going to someday be a significant factor in someone's long-term viability in this community. But we aren't supposed to talk about ban decisions here, and this will be my last remark on the topic.
Coyote Starrk, post: 109556296, member: 27661 wrote:Mitch McConnell is one of the most repugnant, corrupt, and socially damaging politicians of the last 50 years. His votes or no-votes have literally cost people their livelihoods and sometimes their actual lives. His refusal to approve Obama's SCOTUS nominee is one of the largest reason why the SCOTUS has gone to complete hell since 2018.
Why is it a problem to wish the worst for him?
Snormy (Moderator), post: 109561048, member: 2756 wrote:So that thread is locked while we review some of the reports. A staff post will likely be posted there later. I'm not really going to go over that specifically right now but I feel like I need to do some house keeping in this thread because some people, as an example, Mitch McConnell, can bring out some of the worst in all of us. It is upsetting for users and staff both. That said... This thread is not for ban litigation. It is definitely not for passive aggressive JAQing off in the likes of "Which genius did thing I disagree with. Just curious." Shit like this is what eats at us over time and is why we have been harsh on it in this thread specifically. We want your feed back but this isn't it. I really don't want to threadban people over this relating to things such as Mitch McConnell... It's not worth it so please stop it. Its making our shit job shittier. >8(
With that said, a bit more house keeping on that or this. Sometimes, (today for example) we don't see things straight away. Sometimes we just happen to have busy schedules in our lives that day and the mods available aren't as familiar with the topic or issue. I'm Australian and I struggle to remember all the shitty people in my own country let alone another. It takes more time than I can offer or I could try to take some shortcuts... regardless I'll never be able to fully grasp everything. That is, sometimes reports are just going to take longer than usual. It is fine to talk about threads and behaviour broadly, we do read everything in here and take it in. I personally don't even mind too much when users talk about issues here because a lot of times other users will give feedback that offers perspective as to why something might be a problem and what have you. This interaction is probably undervalued by many but in all honestly I think it is one of the best parts of this thread.
One of the issues we often face is that we/staff cannot force a user to care about any given issue. We also must recognise that sometimes just because the user post something that seems like they don't care, it doesn't mean they don't. However, we draw a line when we feel they are being dismissive or inappropriate in some way. Sometimes the post is otherwise good except for one thing or another. Among staff, where the line is drawn is often case by case or when we have an large influx of reports sometimes a baseline is given for specific behaviour or some other contextual considerations that might change the moderation throughout a thread before we even look at the user's history. Staff will sometimes push back and forth on this line so you can imagine that many users will also feel differently about any one decision.
Look a few pages back and you will see feedback and sentiments that naturally collide.
You can't argue that x is wrong vs I thought it is the other way around.
Just ban the trouble makers vs Mods don't give benefit of the doubt and reads users in the worst possible way.
I like staff posting vs I don't like it..
Staff should use official posts for guidance, normal posts make me uneasy vs official posts can be robotic and makes me uneasy.
Thank you for the posts in x thread vs staff are too aggressive/condescending.
I know these aren't entirely the point of the posts to be against each other but they overlap often when it comes to moderating. I don't think they are always mutually exclusive and there is a perfect solution in there somewhere, probably. It just isn't in me. Pages back, the question of whether a mod should be held to a higher standard was brought up. This metric is imo only valuable to myself for myself. I think I know pretty well what standard is expected of me but the fact is I can't please everyone. I can hold myself to that standard but fail it in the eyes of users. I can hold myself to that standard and some users will agree but not others. This doesn't mean we're beyond reproach, we certainly make mistakes but to me, this higher standard is like a mythical ideal that is unattainable despite all of us working doggedly towards it.
With all that said I feel it would be good to also remind that disagreements, even in this thread not necessarily a bad thing. None of the above mentioned points or not mentioned are invalid and while we can't make everyone happy all the time and we can't tell you any exact solutions to we are certainly reading and thinking about it behind the scenes.
Any ways. I mashed this out in the spare moments after the thread lock but then had to dash before completing it. Now that I'm back and finished the last sentences I left I'm out of steam. There was some more I wanted to touch on but its not going to happen today cause I have too many lemons to juggle. Maybe I'll regret posting this later but I'll deal with that lemon when it comes. Thanks for reading.
Discussion of course dies after that.
I don’t hate myself enough today to read that shitty word salad. Someone summarize plz. Turns out that I do 
Okay, the cunt wrote a fucking novella and he doesn’t even address the bans or what anyone is actually talking about 
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