Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[D3RANG3D]

Whichever you think is funnier?

[Alpacx]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/taliban-bans-all-images-of-living-things.1009353/

It is 2024. No one should assume that humanity marches towards progress. This is the kind of world Republicans want in the US.

I'm pretty sure that's not on the agenda

You obviously haven't seen Project 570.

I listen to roan for the first time. Damn is her music generic what the fuck

I listened to her album and thought it was pretty good. Lyrics were too raunchy for me. It was like reading what the "lesbians" post on Resetera

[Potato]

I'm kind of tired of the phrases "purity tests" and "disagreements" being implied to white supremacy and dangerous conspiracy theories, which is what Rogan has platformed time and time again.

There is a limit to what everyone's personal morals are going to be in regards to doing everything it takes to winan election.

And to be honest, the idea of her going on Joe Rogan after her campaign's insulting treament of the pro-Palestine movement makes this a lot worse. Since the DNC, she has focused on reaching out to right-wing lunatics for their votes while ignoring progressives.

It's worth criticizing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamala-harris-could-sit-down-with-joe-rogan-for-an-interview-in-the-final-stretch-of-the-u-s-presidential-campaign.1009581/page-2#post-130180971

“Oh noooo she’s trying to appeal to moderate voters by moving rightward on issues instead of capitulating to our increasingly insane demands!!!”

we have been witnessing the rise of fascism in real time, I don't think it's too much to ask for everyone with a platform to do their part.

Said with no irony whatsoever

I know I am preaching to the converted here, but how the hell can a community which spots fascist dogwhistles in children's cartoons and Nintendo games NOT see that the way their forum is run is textbook fascism?

[Chumbawumbafan69]

I'm kind of tired of the phrases "purity tests" and "disagreements" being implied to white supremacy and dangerous conspiracy theories, which is what Rogan has platformed time and time again.

There is a limit to what everyone's personal morals are going to be in regards to doing everything it takes to winan election.

And to be honest, the idea of her going on Joe Rogan after her campaign's insulting treament of the pro-Palestine movement makes this a lot worse. Since the DNC, she has focused on reaching out to right-wing lunatics for their votes while ignoring progressives.

It's worth criticizing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamala-harris-could-sit-down-with-joe-rogan-for-an-interview-in-the-final-stretch-of-the-u-s-presidential-campaign.1009581/page-2#post-130180971

“Oh noooo she’s trying to appeal to moderate voters by moving rightward on issues instead of capitulating to our increasingly insane demands!!!”

we have been witnessing the rise of fascism in real time, I don't think it's too much to ask for everyone with a platform to do their part.

Said with no irony whatsoever

I know I am preaching to the converted here, but how the hell can a community which spots fascist dogwhistles in children's cartoons and Nintendo games NOT see that the way their forum is run is textbook fascism?

It's not my job to educate you but I'll do it anyways. Anything that aligns with my morals is not fascism!

[AldusMoneyPenny]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamala-harris-could-sit-down-with-joe-rogan-for-an-interview-in-the-final-stretch-of-the-u-s-presidential-campaign.1009581/

Noooo, Kamalaaaaaa, hes a chud! Nooooooo!

This is an absolutely terrible fucking idea.

why, swiggins, why?

Funny thing is that Rogan is an empty head that basically doesn't fact check or push back hard, so an interview with him would probably be an easy way to seem cool and get your positions out there in front of his audience. Much better than an interview with pain in the ass Brett Baier. But these morons don't get that or have any sense of how to appeal to a country full of people with different views. Because they've now been indoctrinated to accept only one viewpoint and live online in an echo chamber that just reinforces that. 

Also I got back at Benji for his snub by not liking his contextless post with 300 tweets about Zoom calls above. 

Spoiler: sorry, top of page sexy Chappell Roan (click to show)(click to hide)

[benji]

I'm kind of tired of the phrases "purity tests" and "disagreements" being implied to white supremacy and dangerous conspiracy theories, which is what Rogan has platformed time and time again.

There is a limit to what everyone's personal morals are going to be in regards to doing everything it takes to winan election.

And to be honest, the idea of her going on Joe Rogan after her campaign's insulting treament of the pro-Palestine movement makes this a lot worse. Since the DNC, she has focused on reaching out to right-wing lunatics for their votes while ignoring progressives.

It's worth criticizing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamala-harris-could-sit-down-with-joe-rogan-for-an-interview-in-the-final-stretch-of-the-u-s-presidential-campaign.1009581/page-2#post-130180971

we have been witnessing the rise of fascism in real time, I don't think it's too much to ask for everyone with a platform to do their part.

Is she going on a super popular harmless platform that will put on anyone who will come on as part of her attempt to defeat the Great Satan?

 

No, she must be blind to how she's helping to bring about fascism.

[Besticus Maximus]

Noted white supremacist kamala Harris

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamala-harris-could-sit-down-with-joe-rogan-for-an-interview-in-the-final-stretch-of-the-u-s-presidential-campaign.1009581/

Noooo, Kamalaaaaaa, hes a chud! Nooooooo!

This is an absolutely terrible fucking idea.

why, swiggins, why?

Funny thing is that Rogan is an empty head that basically doesn't fact check or push back hard, so an interview with him would probably be an easy way to seem cool and get your positions out there in front of his audience. Much better than an interview with pain in the ass Brett Baier. But these morons don't get that or have any sense of how to appeal to a country full of people with different views. Because they've now been indoctrinated to accept only one viewpoint and live online in an echo chamber that just reinforces that. 

Also I got back at Benji for his snub by not liking his contextless post with 300 tweets about Zoom calls above. 

Spoiler: sorry, top of page sexy Chappell Roan (click to show)(click to hide)

That Chappell guy has terrible fashion sense. I hope his music is better...

[benji]

Yes let's give douchebags more views

yeah this would be election suicide

Why give Rogan legitimacy?

Are Dems prepared to actually defend trans people for once? Because you can bet on Rogan going on attack.

youtube and tiktok will be full of clips and snippets taken out of context and used as fuel

Here is a photo of Joe Rogan having dinner with literal white supremacists.

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No, Kamala Harris should not be giving him legitimacy.

This would be disastrous

I mean she's already trying to get the pro genocide crowd, is it really that outrageous her going for Rogans listeners? That seems completely inline with her campaign so far.

Yeah, I don't like it. Joe isn't a tough interview in that he is going to ask hard hitting questions or anything like that, but he is the type to try to undercut actual scientists with bro science and completely unsourced "studies say..." bullshit.

He doesn't have to have any actual facts to do damage, just loudly second guess everything and there will be plenty of dumb fucks to eat it up.

Gross. Kamala's pivot to trying to court Republicans has been sad to see.

Yeah if you don't want Rogan to have legitimacy, you're gonna need a time machine.

The sad part about this is that if we did have a time machine we could actually measure how many covid deaths could have been avoided had he not had a platform :(

Maybe she should be looking to court the left instead of the right.

She should totally game with Asmongold too. I'm sure will gain some voters there too.

Just reeks of desperation and moral compromise.
She already supports a Genocide. I mean compromise is too gentle of a word the Admin she is a part of has caused the death of thousands.

This is just another red flag no matter how you guys justify it.

literally everything is on the table, except stopping the genocide

Arent those people already voting for her regardless?

No. She currently has some major things working against her like supporting genocide.

90% of the five pages is people saying it's a no-brainer though.

Switters post was pretty good but this one is the most accurate one:

She needs to speak directly and ONLY to me because I am the most important voter. Everything else is a waste of time!

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Asmon said some pretty bad shit, not going to lie. I can get shitting on terrible governments, autocracies, theocracies, fundamentalism but painting every single Muslim, Palestinian, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. with the same brush is not the right way to go about things. Like I'm a Catholic and I don't agree with everything the church says or does.

But to call him a Nazi is trivializing the use of the word.

Hamas Piker albeit is worse to me. As Asmon is a dumb rat king that is pretty politically unaware, whereas Hasan is straight up malicious.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1g3tqko/hasan_tells_asmongold_that_talking_to_houthi/

Hasan tells Asmongold that talking to 'Houthi Luffy' was like talking to Anne Frank

The guy should have been banned from Twitch a LONG time ago. His chatroom is full of anti-Semites and terrorist sympathizers (wouldn't surprise me if some of them are terrorists down the line)

On a side note, here's a song that I find calming for some reason

[benji]

"I don't think some of you understand how elections work."

No way, why should I change? The electorate's the one who sucks.

[Propagandhim]

All this attention-seeking idiot ever does and ever has done is turn any general event into a personal struggle and affront to gain attention.  "This is what people say to me!" It's fucking irrelevant to the topic at hand.  They're one of the most self-serving, egotistical people ive ever seen on social media.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Asmon apologized, alhamdulillah! May he and his followers join the true faith, inshallah!

[Polident]

Annoying how our tax dollars keep gitmo open but we’re not sending twitch streamers there.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Elfgore

The "apology" for sure is a dead giveaway he knows he went too far on what he can say on Stream. Hoping a Twitch ban comes in the morning. A "teehee" shouldn't get you out of saying genocide is good.

As long as Hamas Piker gets banned as well for his antisemitism and festering ground of extremism.

Then again the guy who runs Twitch is a dumb coomer who is a fan of Hasan and won't do shit because he's the golden child. What a joke of a platform.

[kaleidoscopium]

Trying to wrap my head around this exchange.

Did you seriously just compare those who don't feel comfortable voting for Harris because of her support of a genocide to a group of people who wouldn't vote for a rprevious democratic candidate because of "student loans" and "fracking?"

"Due to X"
"Just the latest cause"
"The difference is those voices are being tuned out now"

The utter dismissal and belittlement of those who care about what is happening in Palestine continues to shock me.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamala-harris-could-sit-down-with-joe-rogan-for-an-interview-in-the-final-stretch-of-the-u-s-presidential-campaign.1009581/page-6#post-130186923

[Chumbawumbafan69]

Is what's happening on Twitch just what happens to every online gaming community? One day it's just about having fun playing and discussing games and then all of a sudden you're calling for the deaths of entire groups of people or interviewing actual terrorists?

[AnnoyedCanadian]

[Besticus Maximus]

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Is what's happening on Twitch just what happens to every online gaming community? One day it's just about having fun playing and discussing games and then all of a sudden you're calling for the deaths of entire groups of people or interviewing actual terrorists?

It’s honestly fucking fascinating. Literally impossible for people to just talk about games without a holy war erupting where everyone on each side is a literal idiot.

[benji]

https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1845840750967128104

https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1845882417669976248

Talks about all the death and rape threats, never posts the death and rape threats.

During Gamergate* Wu rather infamously posted death threats to himself. Probably literally shaking afraid that someone from "Free Palestine" will show up and look to street race since this is true:

It was nearly ten years ago:

Maybe we'll see the death and rape threats after the Jesse Signal receipts are finally posted:

*which isn't over, only getting worse

[Besticus Maximus]

The ongoing war of chuds in gamer gate is why I refuse to vote against the chuds and gamergate 

[benji]

A modest proposal: Kamala and Bibi need to street race for who gets the right to murder Muslims.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-ends-town-hall-by-playing-music-standing-in-silence-and-bobbing-around-awkwardly-for-30-minutes.1009587/
                         platforming and normalizing fascism?

[AnnoyedCanadian]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/asmongold-goes-full-nazi-rhetoric-during-anti-palestine-rant-they-are-not-the-same-as-us-they-come-from-an-inferior-culture.1009563/page-7#post-130187712

The average person has no idea who he or Hamas Piker are. This is what being terminally online does to you with thinking everyone knows about every little thing you do.

[benji]

Another anti-imperialist sharing CCP propaganda:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/xi-vows-%E2%80%98reunification%E2%80%99-with-taiwan-on-eve-of-communist-china%E2%80%99s-75th-birthday.998124/page-2#post-130168491

For what it is worth, I would rather let US host troops in my country then allow China expand uncontested.

While I get the sentiment, I really disagree with the alternative of allowing the PRC free reign to take over Taiwan. As such if Australia can help PRC think twice about invading Taiwan, I'm for it.

why would I look at current world events (not to mention its history of aiding and abetting various atrocities during the Cold War) and determine that the US is the good guy here? Why is its empire, that apparently validly extends the whole way around the world to Australia, a-okay, whereas China's posturing over Taiwan and a few rocks is a red line? The sense of imperial entitlement and self righteousness is astounding: "we can't let you have sovereign foreign policy because we need to stop these other guys from invading our sphere of influence". I don't want the US military in my country because a survey of history tells me it's evil!

Have you forgotten about Russia support in the Ukraine war? Uyghurs?

I am not saying that the US is a good guy just a lesser of two evils. China is a dictatorship. I can go on why I want the US instead of CCP.

I do not think that China is a socialist utopia by any stretch, but you are going to have a very difficult task arguing that China has caused more human suffering than America in the period since the CCP came to power. authoritarianism vs democratic liberalism can only take you so far, particularly when the US's commitment to it - both globally and domestically - seems to be mostly nominal or, at best, selective. it has no qualms supporting and installing right-wing dictators and other questionable regimes and overthrowing democratically elected governments. afghanistan, iraq, iran, indonesia, east timor, italy, syria, libya, somalia, yemen, vietnam, laos, cambodia (china very much on the wrong side of that one too), philippines, chile, brazil, argentina, nicaragua, guam, guatemala, panama, cube, palestine, korea, taiwan, bolivia, venezuela, ukraine, russia/ussr, congo, greece. that is off the top of my head!

domestically it is (1) barely a functional democracy, even you accept liberal-democracy as the apex and true form of democracy, and was itself a de jure apartheid state until 60 years ago (2) has the highest rate of incarceration in the world, and 21% of the world's total prison population and (3) has an unaccountable and quasi-militarised police force, amongst many many other things.

soberly and objectively, how can you tell me that the US is the lesser of two evils here? and why do I have to choose anyway? which side seems to be forcing that choice and what does that say about them, and what have they done to countries/leaders in the past that have insisted on neutrality (hint)?

Genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs, imperialism and settler colonialism in Tibet. The US aren't the "good guys" but from an Australian perspective they're preferable to the current Chinese government. It's also morally good for Taiwan to stay independent if that's what the population wants.

what has a US military base in Australia got to do with the Uyghurs and Tibet? why should I care about China's meagre imperial ambitions vs the US's actual existing imperial hegemony? if our government refused to house the US base, what should be the consequences for us? are we then the enemy?

The US doing more than China is more due to them having more capabilities to do so. For some reason many people seem to have the view that being weaker than someone else means you're inherently more moral.

this is an incredibly nihilistic and imo sickening view of humanity that gives the US a massive free pass, as if it had no choice to do the things that it has done.

Not the poster you responded to, but I think the CCP has caused more human suffering within its own borders than you realize. The Great Leap Forward alone was simply one of the worst catastrophes in human history, and the Cultural Revolution is right up there. Then you've got the One Child Policy, the brutal subjugation of Uyghurs and Tibetans, the crackdown in Hong Kong... China hasn't exerted the same destructive influence abroad as the US, but it's a massive country with an incredibly powerful central government; when that government fucks up, tens and hundreds of millions pay the price. The US government doesn't even have the capacity to cause that kind of damage so abruptly to its own citizens.

I don't discount any of that stuff. ultimately, it's hard to look at these things on balance without seeming grotesque, but if you invite lesser of two evils thinking then there's no way around it.

you also can't discount that the CCP has also lifted about a billion people out of poverty since coming to power. life expectancy has almost doubled, and is now higher than in the US. a vulgar utilitarian (which I am not) would probably see the CCP as a great force for good on that basis.

I think there is nothing wrong with having introspections and right past wrongs where we can. We have education systems in much of western worlds that teaches us the crimes committed in the past which we should definitely learn from. I am not at all qualified to speak about such general questions about political systems or "the lesser or greater evil" other than that feels like an impossible question to answer objectively. People like Ceerious who have posted much better thoughts on this are probably better suited to answer this more fully.

However, to bring this back to the topic at hand. The people of Taiwan have been polled time and time again going back to the 1990's. Not once has "re-unification" with China has outright won a majority. So I think it's wise to defer to what the people of Taiwan want, which is no unilateral changes of their status. That is a status, by all conventional means, currently relying on the US to help maintain for better or for worse.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the modern CCP shies away from acknowledging the mistakes of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. I am pretty skeptical, though, that the US/West education system is as free from propaganda and historical revisionism as you think. which is to say, I think the main issue I take is that the USian position on this is so binary: on one hand we have Democracy, Freedom, Transparency and the Rule of Law and on the other Authoritarianism, Tyranny, Oppression. It's just really not that simple. I don't know how it is really possible to know that prison statistic I cited earlier and still think that, without it causing severe cognitive dissonance. If China is such a repressive society, with such an illiberal legal system, why is the incarceration rate five times lower?

I've already said in the thread that Taiwan should be able to chose its own path, and I think China would be stupid to invade. but i also don't think the country that came up with the Monroe Doctrine and has done what it has done in Cuba has much moral authority on the matter.

Someone in the US can research the Kent State Massacre online or in a library and find lots of information in any format they want (websites, books, articles, etc...). Someone in China can research Tiananmen Square and they'll find crickets and then get a knock on their door for their efforts. That's a pretty glaring difference and one that can't be swept under the rug.

sure. I never said that the CPP didn't engage in censorship, and that there aren't aspects where the US is more liberal (it should be! that's what it professes to be!). I am saying that the differences, particularly with respect to state repression, are more often different in degree rather than in kind, and sometimes come out in favour of China, not the US (such as the US's disgusting incarceration rate). if you look at other factors, like life expectancy, homelessness, corporate accountability or technocratic competence, more often than not China probably comes out on top.

My favorite part was this list of "democratically elected governments" the US has overthrown:

afghanistan, iraq, iran, indonesia, east timor, italy, syria, libya, somalia, yemen, vietnam, laos, cambodia (china very much on the wrong side of that one too), philippines, chile, brazil, argentina, nicaragua, guam, guatemala, panama, cube, palestine, korea, taiwan, bolivia, venezuela, ukraine, russia/ussr, congo, greece. that is off the top of my head!

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Sorry, I have a kneejerk reaction and have to post this whenever James Joyce is mentioned

I wish I felt as loved as the love that Joyce had for dirty smelly farts out of fat sweaty buttocks.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

kiriku

So that's why Hasan was debating him last night on twitch. Considering Hasan's very clear stance on the subject, he had a loooot of patience there.

Patience and Hasan do not go together. I know he has ADHD but for fucks sake take your medication bro, I would be if I had it as bad as you. He talks over other people and doesn't rebut them, just spews more of his communist talking points.

He's dogshit at debates too and runs from them unless it's against someone equally as dumb as him in the case of Asmongold or someone who he can take advantage of due to his popularity on the platform.

[Chudder Barbarity]

My chud headmate is in the time out corner for his posts last week, i do apologise for his abhorrent behaviour. Just catching up on the thread.

I can't believe that b-chuds would abuse his power dynamics to sexually attack nepenthe for speaking her truth. White men can't help themselves I guess. I always knew there was something up with that guy. 

No wonder my chud mate was so enamored with him. they must have been secretly co-ordinating gamergate attacks. watch b-chuds work up his alt-right, snyder cut friends to create gamergate X1000 to defend him against an brave, innocent woman just like that asshole Johnny Depp.

What is it with forum leaders and being sex pests? didn't neogaf die that way too? Got some mad side eye towards benji right now.

[Snoopy]

Relax everyone. Jeff Marvel has given seal of approval to the Rogan appearance -

After sitting on this for a bit, I do think that this is probably a smart decision and that those of us who are bothered by it are likely having that feeling elevated by the other much more questionable decisions her campaign has made over the last two months.

In a bubble, i get this decision.

 

What a pompous retard.

[Polident]

What is it with forum leaders and being sex pests? didn't neogaf die that way too? Got some mad side eye towards benji right now.

benji has plausible deniability. We voluntarily post hog.