Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Denims won't fuck you, Jeff! 

I thought he was gay?

I may have misread him.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Believe all women, unless they are Jewish, conservative or someone the hivemind collectively doesn't like.

It's disgusting to be honest and I rarely use that word.

Why would you believe a jew? 

Uhm, Benji? I think Zionists invaded..

[benji]

"Your bias is quite clear and you don't get to demonize someone off of a 12-second awkward clip." - ZeoVGM, ResetERA.com prominent member.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Why isn't he defending Frogan? Is it because she's not cute enough? 

[Taco Bell Tower]

Sneako is banned too? I thought he was unbanned. 

If only ALL streamers were purged.

What, banned already?  He was unbanned a few days ago I think

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Sneako is banned too? I thought he was unbanned. 

If only ALL streamers were purged.

What, banned already?  He was unbanned a few days ago I think

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2504480/sneako-permanently-banned-from-twitch-sources-confirm
https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/news-youtube-re-suspends-sneako-within-day-lifting-ban-account?key=skmainfb

[AnnoyedCanadian]

B-Dumbs locked it.

Find your balls man and ban some of these idiots.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

"Considering the derail, we're locking the thread."

 But it's discussing Twitch ban usage!

[BIONIC]

A wild nepnep appears

It's on here. Which should probably be stickied tbf.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-policy-update-log-5-22-update-florida-gifs-are-banned-in-sensitive-political-threads.709904/

Why? It hasn't been updated in well over a year, and of the three rules on there, one (Bugs Bunny Florida GIF) is hilariously small-potatoes, while another (the so-called AI thread "moratorium") seems to be ignored for negatively-framed threads on a damn near daily basis (example from earlier today). I have lost count of the number of AI outrage-bait posts I have reported for blatantly violating this "policy", while quoting the policy in the report, only to be completely ignored, even as the thread agitates people into saying inflammatory shit like "fuck everyone who uses this," which was exactly the sort of bile the policy was supposed to discourage.

Every single report you send in is "No AI threads outside of the OT," which isn't actually the rule. The rule is that we will lock threads if they're nothing more than showcases of AI-generated content, ex, "Look at this song I made of Queen singing the Family Guy theme" or whatever. Other threads such as news updates within the AI or arts industries we will allow on a case-by-case basis.

We also weren't trying to crack down on negative opinions towards AI. We were instead trying to crack down on the dismissive techbro bullshit and just outright clueless nonsense being aimed at actual professional artists. This is a video game forum; celebrating a technology that is ultimately meant to replace developers while sneering at them as being as outdated as the coal miners was bullshit that needed to end.

The AI-OT and prohibition on showcase threads were a middle ground to acknowledge the fact that "the genie was out of the bottle." It was never meant to make the entire forum a safe space for LLM users and AI-content proponents. Reddit and Twitter are relative havens for that.

I will own up to the fact that some threads have probably slipped by that should have been closed. But your report crusade has fallen on deaf ears largely because you've misread the rule in the first place, in part because I understand that you're also upset a thread of yours was closed. That's something I would need to look back into to see if an error was made.

omg are you seriously using this moment in time right now to turn this into the like fifth time you've ranted about the "anti-AI bias" in this thread? Let it go.

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw the admin response above. My input is not needed beyond that clearly.

I mean, the reason I was looking for the AI thread rules the other day was cause there was a thread dooming about how they might run into AI generated stuff. But by the time it was mentioned here, I lost the thread, so whatever

I also pinned the policy update thread. Could've sworn I had done it before.

Nepenthe, your original policy does not say that it *only* applies to such "showcases". The staff communication says "AI content news that is merely about individual showcases of AI application, algorithm updates, offsite community bans, and otherwise non-pressing news are not to be made as their own threads", which includes the kind of "look at this neat thing" you mention but covers much more than that -- such as the quite broad "any news that isn't pressing." And there have been multiple threads even under this specific callout that have been allowed. Here's Procreate banning use of AI. Here's a fearmongering editorial that literally ends with "we are fucked". Here's an article about Google pulling a random TV ad. Literally do a title search for "AI" and there are *dozens* of other examples of non-majorly-newsworthy topics relating to AI content that should clearly fall under the policy as written but remained open so the same people can post the same cynical browbeating circlejerk comments.

It's also not a great look to be saying "we need to ban 'showcase' threads to protect the feelings of artists" (which is fair!) but then letting these negative threads run wild even as they fill with hyperbolic insults and attacks on people who genuinely enjoy and use it, even non-commercially. It's of a piece with the general toxic unwillingness to distinguish hatred of the socioeconomic abuse of the technology by corporations (which is ultimately a problem with capitalism) from use by regular people for purely creative pursuits or to make their lives a little easier, something which is already commonplace and will only become moreso over time. It turns what should be a nuanced, complex intersection of philosophy and technology and the nature of creativity into yet another hardline black-and-white us-vs-them culture war. We can do better than that.


Not "a thread", but multiple, high-effort informational OTs created according to the terms of the policy, which were only created after getting explicit permission beforehand. Every attempt I've made to discuss even objectively "major news" by the rules you laid out has been pre-emptively or retroactively denied (and explicitly for not being framed negatively enough), which makes seeing all these lazy inflammatory non-news threads on a daily basis so galling. It's irritating to spend so much effort in good faith trying to have a substantive discussion about the biggest breakthroughs shut down over and over, while seeing multiple ragebait threads that are sometimes literally just an embedded tweet go on for pages and pages of bile, day in and day out.

I understand there are negatives and downsides to AI. I don't want to silence that discussion! It's an important aspect to talk about. But this consistent allowing of negative, doomy threads while blocking positive or even just neutrally-framed topics is making that discussion worse, not better. It's stoking fear, anger, and disgust while leaving people ignorant of how any of it actually works or any bright spots or helpful aspects they could benefit from. There's value in sharing genuinely useful stuff like NotebookLM, or wild creative shit like the "infinite web simulator" project, or a thoughtful piece on how the music industry has contended with disruptive technological advances throughout history -- so much more to think about than endless retreads of "company X did a shitty thing with AI". Those are all worthwhile discussions I've been able to have on Tildes, on MetaFilter, even on Lemmy... but not here, and that's sad.

Let it go.

I'd be happy to, if the existing policy were either consistently enforced as written or updated with a more accurate description of how it's used in practice. As-is, reading this forum is a near-daily reminder that one of the most compelling and challenging topics for discussion in modern times is being distorted and poisoned by inconsistent enforcement of a rule that was supposed to bring the temperature down but is currently doing the opposite, by putting a very heavy thumb on the scale towards "fuck this and everyone who takes any interest in it" (which includes me).

[ETA: I also believe that B-Dubs needs to acknowledge the callouts upthread; please do not interpret commenting in this thread for its intended purpose of critiquing moderation policy as trying to minimize what happened there.]

[BIONIC]

Oooh didn’t read but got it in case he edits

OK, so, honestly, I do apologize for cursing Nepenthe out the way I did. I should have known better and it was absolutely the wrong thing to do. I got way too heated and overreacted.

The truth is that when I saw her posts, I wasn't really thinking about myself but about the kids I've worked with in the recent past. I've worked with a number of Central and South American refugees, whose parents crossed the border to get their kids away from the violence of their homes and to try and provide a better life for them. All I could think about was Trump wanting to go around, door-to-door as he put it, and deport all of them to a home that would see them dead inside of a month of returning. I thought about what responsibility I have toward them and I got too heated and it was wrong.

I thought about the trans kid I still mentor, how he wants to start his hormones in the spring, after he no longer needs parental permission, how he's finally going to be able to live his life the way he wants and gets to be the man he has always been, and how Trump would take that away from him, dooming him to living in the body of someone he isn't, with the stroke of a pen. I wondered what responsibility I have to him and I got heated and I shouldn't have used the language that I did. It was wrong and I do apologize.

When I saw those posts, I thought about myself and the people like me who have chronic, preexisting conditions that would result in insurance companies denying us coverage if not for the ACA and how Trump was a single vote in the senate from repealing it. How my own medication costs $60,000 a year, with all the potential cancerous side effects, and how there's people far worse off than I am. I wondered about what I owed them and it got me seeing red and I reacted in the wrong way. There's no room for that sort of language or tone, especially from someone in my position.

I thought about these cousins from Eastern Europe I have never met but have talked to on the phone and how afraid they are of what is going on over there. About how the stories of mass graves and mass executions and kidnapped children and reports of sterilization and what sort of thing would happen to them if we stopped trying to help and left them to their fate. I got way too angry and there's no excuse for the sort of language I used.

The truth is that I've been struggling with the whole voting thing this cycle more than I ever have because of what I've seen in Gaza and my responsibility to the people who live there and my responsibilities I have to the people in the US and in other parts of the world. The truth is that it isn't an easy situation for anyone to navigate, there's no simple answers, no obviously correct choices to be had. This is why we have been asking everyone not to attack each other over whether or not they choose to vote. Criticize the stances on the issues that these candidates have, we'd never say not to do that, but in an election where so much is at stake there's no room for attacking each other and making insinuations and I forgot that and myself for a moment. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize profusely for it. To both Nepenthe and all of you. Everyone deserves better and I intend to make sure that happens.

[benji]

Good riddance to all of them. Tired of seeing extremist content whichever way you look on that platform.

Piker should be next on the list but we all know some favoured "content creators" are more protected than others.

Lmao. Extremist content, give me a fucking break. Even that "Houthi" kid interview has been a massive target of misinfo by disgusting people. Who's not even Houthi, just a Yemeni dude, that everyone just implied he was Houthi because of the language misinterpretation. Then an old video was spread around as him supposedly hanging around hostages wasn't even real: https://x.com/Acid_Communist/status/1847229430084571171 but was still spread as so. People STILL keep spreading bullshit, even on this fucking progressive ass forum. You don't have to agree with his takes, but making up shit at a time when he's been one of the biggest anti-genocide voices online is just crazy work. Particularly when the Isreali govt and even fucking Biden and his group have been spreading literal fucking lies.

It's just fucking wild to me, that in a time when we're getting videos out of Gaza of kids dying, kids being droned, kids FUCKING BURNING. We still have these so called leftists community spreading massive fucking Islamophobic campaigns. In the middle of a fucking genocide, these monsters are making it about themselves and anyone that dares to criticize this shit. You can't even fucking engage with them either. The amount of death threats I've gotten just being part of Hasan's community for the past couple of months makes me want to fucking stop even trying. But I refuse to shut the fuck up about this because every fucking day I have to read another horrific account of hopsitals being bombed, camps of refugees being bombed, kids dying, kids burning, reports of hostages being raped to death, and other horrific shit that NO ONE should ever go through.

It's like clockwork every time. People get their information from the worst actors on social media and decide to spread misinformation because of their existing biases.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I bet he had to clear that with Nep before posting. 

[AnnoyedCanadian]

entremetGPT

Interesting article but it definitely seems more targeted at online dating, which has the whole Paradox of Choice going on.

I did online dating for many years but I agree it has gotten more flaky. These days I prefer meeting women via my extended social networks, bars, and IRL stuff lol. I've also done Speed Dating, which I found fun.

I do take breaks from dating as it can be exhausting. Experts in the article says this is common and healthy. One woman did this and found her now husband on her last online date before taking her online dating sabbatical.

This user, Edmond, KSweeley, ContractHolder, DinkyDev, LoudNinja and a few others are literally chat bots.

I feel sorry for anyone who tries to go on a date with anyone on that forum as it must be tortuous.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

After reading it the whole thing comes across as a non apology, feels a lot like "Sorry you got offended."   

Sorry but all those other people matter more than you single issue voter stance.

[benji]

I don't follow any of this twitch streamer non sense but to be plain, if Asmongold can call a people's who are having a genocide committed on them inferior people and say fuck them I feel 0 empathy and only get 2 weeks, why is anyone mad or upset about any ban or not ban on the platform?

They literally don't give a fuck. All this shit should be auto permanent bans but they have 0 ethics. So why are people intricately weighing these trangressions like it means anything? Twitch doesn't give a fuck.

Ethan's spiral the last year has been sad to watch. He was one of the youtubers that could have easily fallen into the alt-right grifter pipeline, but he managed to clean up his image a lot and seemed to be on a good track. Oct 7 just broke his brain.

Sam Seder and indeed all of Majority Report whose main venue is youtube shares basically every view Ethan is rallying against but he refuses to talk to them about it because the fact of the matter is that Sam Seder is jewish and it goes against Ethans narrative for anyone to hold these views unless they are a "radical leftist", "antisemite", or "muslim". It goes against his "this is a twitch problem" mentality. And indeed there are many jewish anti zionist people who have been dunking on Ethan for the lies he has been spreading. Not going to list them all, thats weird, but Ethan is the one alienating not only his community but also his co-workers and he is blaming it all on his former podcast host Hasan Piker. Its really disappointing.

The truth of the matter is that if people like Asmon and Destiny were never banned we wouldnt even be having this conversation right now. Its a multilateral hate brigade by racist white people who mostly hate jews and muslims alike and just want to see communities fight. Its the only reason why the twitchcon panel from a month ago is being brought up as well as 9 year old posts from Ethan. This is all part a redditor game of hot potato thats pittting content creators, their communities, religions, and ethnicities against each other because their favorite racist was banned.

I watched the video, when has he advocated for genocide? Ethan goes his major disagreement is that he doesn't think Jews who make up 80% of Israel should leave?
Also he thinks October 7th was real bad and that the rapes did happen.

The man has been harassing muslim creators for multiple months, constantly making completely fake , made up shit against them, a lot of it regarding the current genocide. Dude's is constantly yelling at people that they're "hamas supporters" every other day.

It's just so unfair!

[bork]

Oooh didn’t read but got it in case he edits

OK, so, honestly, I do apologize for cursing Nepenthe out the way I did. I should have known better and it was absolutely the wrong thing to do. I got way too heated and overreacted.

The truth is that when I saw her posts, I wasn't really thinking about myself but about the kids I've worked with in the recent past. I've worked with a number of Central and South American refugees, whose parents crossed the border to get their kids away from the violence of their homes and to try and provide a better life for them. All I could think about was Trump wanting to go around, door-to-door as he put it, and deport all of them to a home that would see them dead inside of a month of returning. I thought about what responsibility I have toward them and I got too heated and it was wrong.

I thought about the trans kid I still mentor, how he wants to start his hormones in the spring, after he no longer needs parental permission, how he's finally going to be able to live his life the way he wants and gets to be the man he has always been, and how Trump would take that away from him, dooming him to living in the body of someone he isn't, with the stroke of a pen. I wondered what responsibility I have to him and I got heated and I shouldn't have used the language that I did. It was wrong and I do apologize.

When I saw those posts, I thought about myself and the people like me who have chronic, preexisting conditions that would result in insurance companies denying us coverage if not for the ACA and how Trump was a single vote in the senate from repealing it. How my own medication costs $60,000 a year, with all the potential cancerous side effects, and how there's people far worse off than I am. I wondered about what I owed them and it got me seeing red and I reacted in the wrong way. There's no room for that sort of language or tone, especially from someone in my position.

I thought about these cousins from Eastern Europe I have never met but have talked to on the phone and how afraid they are of what is going on over there. About how the stories of mass graves and mass executions and kidnapped children and reports of sterilization and what sort of thing would happen to them if we stopped trying to help and left them to their fate. I got way too angry and there's no excuse for the sort of language I used.

The truth is that I've been struggling with the whole voting thing this cycle more than I ever have because of what I've seen in Gaza and my responsibility to the people who live there and my responsibilities I have to the people in the US and in other parts of the world. The truth is that it isn't an easy situation for anyone to navigate, there's no simple answers, no obviously correct choices to be had. This is why we have been asking everyone not to attack each other over whether or not they choose to vote. Criticize the stances on the issues that these candidates have, we'd never say not to do that, but in an election where so much is at stake there's no room for attacking each other and making insinuations and I forgot that and myself for a moment. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize profusely for it. To both Nepenthe and all of you. Everyone deserves better and I intend to make sure that happens.

Do you have the post where he cussed out Nepenthe?

[benji]

omg are you seriously using this moment in time right now to turn this into the like fifth time you've ranted about the "anti-AI bias" in this thread? Let it go.

Didn't this dude just write an essay the other day about some minor ban he got?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Sam Seder and indeed all of Majority Report

lil bro fell off without Michael Brooks and Jamie Peck.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

[benji]

Do you have the post where he cussed out Nepenthe?

Can someone post a link or recap on what B-Dubs did?

Took issue with Nepenthe's rantings about how important it is to not vote for Kamala Harris or Democrats.

The funny part is that B-Dubs didn't edit that post, he deleted it.

He edited out an entirely different post that Nepenthe replied to that led to that response:


Look at the post number and timestamp:


You can see Nepenthe reply to it further down with the text preserved in her quote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-administration-no-longer-supporting-an-immediate-ceasefire-in-lebanon.1005735/page-9#post-130014735

If you click on either of IrishNinja's or Nepenthe's quotes, the link takes you to "oops" page: https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-administration-no-longer-supporting-an-immediate-ceasefire-in-lebanon.1005735/page-9#post-130015296

If it was the post B-Dubs edited out it would take you back to it.

B-Dubs tried to back out of this by rescinding all of his entirely fair criticism of Nepenthe's position. Like Boredfrom said: cuck. And not the good kind that lets other men have sex with their wives.

what did bdumb say to nep

IrishNinja quoted the whole thing:

[DavidCroquet]

omg are you seriously using this moment in time right now to turn this into the like fifth time you've ranted about the "anti-AI bias" in this thread? Let it go.

Didn't this dude just write an essay the other day about some minor ban he got?

That was Plan A, which didn't seem effective.

So now we see Ashes deploy Plan B: riding moderator cock so that he never has to live the horror of a weeklong ban ever, ever again.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Sneako is banned too? I thought he was unbanned. 

If only ALL streamers were purged.

What, banned already?  He was unbanned a few days ago I think

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2504480/sneako-permanently-banned-from-twitch-sources-confirm
https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/news-youtube-re-suspends-sneako-within-day-lifting-ban-account?key=skmainfb

Pedo gone 

[Besticus Maximus]

Lots of dismissing concerns in that Frogan/Asmongold thread, and a fair few inflammatory comparisons as well, I might add.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Sam Seder and indeed all of Majority Report

lil bro fell off without Michael Brooks and Jamie Peck.

Shame she's a communist as I tend to dig goth chicks. In my area women are mostly either far left or far right, with some sane liberal ones. Way too much polygamist shit on dating apps nowadays

[DavidCroquet]

Also I admit that I underestimated B-Dubs mastery of his domain.

"folx, I know that I need to clear the air with this community regarding some of my recent actions...

and, well...I didn't want to get into this but...

I'm mentoring a trans..."

We bow down to the king.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Oooh didn’t read but got it in case he edits

OK, so, honestly, I do apologize for cursing Nepenthe out the way I did. I should have known better and it was absolutely the wrong thing to do. I got way too heated and overreacted.

The truth is that when I saw her posts, I wasn't really thinking about myself but about the kids I've worked with in the recent past. I've worked with a number of Central and South American refugees, whose parents crossed the border to get their kids away from the violence of their homes and to try and provide a better life for them. All I could think about was Trump wanting to go around, door-to-door as he put it, and deport all of them to a home that would see them dead inside of a month of returning. I thought about what responsibility I have toward them and I got too heated and it was wrong.

I thought about the trans kid I still mentor, how he wants to start his hormones in the spring, after he no longer needs parental permission, how he's finally going to be able to live his life the way he wants and gets to be the man he has always been, and how Trump would take that away from him, dooming him to living in the body of someone he isn't, with the stroke of a pen. I wondered what responsibility I have to him and I got heated and I shouldn't have used the language that I did. It was wrong and I do apologize.

When I saw those posts, I thought about myself and the people like me who have chronic, preexisting conditions that would result in insurance companies denying us coverage if not for the ACA and how Trump was a single vote in the senate from repealing it. How my own medication costs $60,000 a year, with all the potential cancerous side effects, and how there's people far worse off than I am. I wondered about what I owed them and it got me seeing red and I reacted in the wrong way. There's no room for that sort of language or tone, especially from someone in my position.

I thought about these cousins from Eastern Europe I have never met but have talked to on the phone and how afraid they are of what is going on over there. About how the stories of mass graves and mass executions and kidnapped children and reports of sterilization and what sort of thing would happen to them if we stopped trying to help and left them to their fate. I got way too angry and there's no excuse for the sort of language I used.

The truth is that I've been struggling with the whole voting thing this cycle more than I ever have because of what I've seen in Gaza and my responsibility to the people who live there and my responsibilities I have to the people in the US and in other parts of the world. The truth is that it isn't an easy situation for anyone to navigate, there's no simple answers, no obviously correct choices to be had. This is why we have been asking everyone not to attack each other over whether or not they choose to vote. Criticize the stances on the issues that these candidates have, we'd never say not to do that, but in an election where so much is at stake there's no room for attacking each other and making insinuations and I forgot that and myself for a moment. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize profusely for it. To both Nepenthe and all of you. Everyone deserves better and I intend to make sure that happens.

B-Lore has a trans fetish and hinted being a pedo 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

They can't hate B-dubs now. He's helping trans youth. He played the best card he could.

[Garfield]

The truth is that when I saw her posts, I wasn't really thinking about myself but about the kids I've worked with in the recent past. I've worked with a number of Central and South American refugees, whose parents crossed the border to get their kids away from the violence of their homes and to try and provide a better life for them. All I could think about was Trump wanting to go around, door-to-door as he put it, and deport all of them to a home that would see them dead inside of a month of returning. I thought about what responsibility I have toward them and I got too heated and it was wrong.

This is fucking nonsense and the fact of the matter is that something like 6 billion people live in poverty and/or "violent places" and the US, even under Biden, is only taking in a small, insignificant fraction of these people that cannot even put a dent into that 6,000,000,000.

I thought about the trans kid I still mentor, how he wants to start his hormones in the spring, after he no longer needs parental permission, how he's finally going to be able to live his life the way he wants and gets to be the man he has always been, and how Trump would take that away from him, dooming him to living in the body of someone he isn't, with the stroke of a pen. I wondered what responsibility I have to him and I got heated and I shouldn't have used the language that I did. It was wrong and I do apologize.

If this trans kid had any real parents he wouldn't be getting this done behind their backs, nor would be influenced by non-related, adult, perverts.

When I saw those posts, I thought about myself and the people like me who have chronic, preexisting conditions that would result in insurance companies denying us coverage if not for the ACA and how Trump was a single vote in the senate from repealing it. How my own medication costs $60,000 a year, with all the potential cancerous side effects, and how there's people far worse off than I am. I wondered about what I owed them and it got me seeing red and I reacted in the wrong way. There's no room for that sort of language or tone, especially from someone in my position.

1)The Republicans have had no plans to "discriminate" against people with pre-existing conditions for years now, before 2017, and definitely before now, but anyway:
2)It's clear he doesn't understand that the US cannot possibly pay for $60,000 worth of medication a year for every non-citizen that somehow breaches its borders

[BIONIC]

It’s true that I’m a horrible person, but remember when I cured cancer?

I’m indeed no good sack of shit, but remember when I achieved world peace?

I am the scum of the fucking earth, but remember how I made a snarky tweet at Joanne once?

[DavidCroquet]

No matter what the stakes, being mean (to Nepenthe) is never ok.