Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Venice]

So there's been lots of quotes in the last few pages from the "What does progressive outreach to men look like? How can we turn the tide?" thread. This one from Kyuuji's latest post is especially worth highlighting because it again shows what a slimey, two-faced creep he truly is.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-progressive-outreach-to-men-look-like-how-can-we-turn-the-tide.1028586/page-23#post-131358366

What people have also said is that women aren't likely to stop voicing their frustrations with men, particularly in places with other women, so making this outreach contingent on that happening seems largely pointless. Instead getting boys and men to understand and appreciate where that sentiment comes from and why would not only help foster empathy but also allow them to see women as more than an object or achievement (when speaking to people already circling the alt-right pipeline).

For the past 4 years, whenever a man ever-so-slightly misunderstood a trans-related issue, or said something naive that your squad deliberately twisted into alleged transphobia, you and the rest of your goons would immediately jump on them, dogpile them, and harass them until they got banned. Any time someone asked a genuine question, you pricks would respond with 'You ain't slick'.

But now that Trump is back, and you're all shitting yourself about the direction the west is going, you suddenly want men to 'understand where that sentiment comes from'? 

That entire thread is a lesson in reaping and sowing.

For the past 8 years Era, and the extreme-left parts of Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit and YouTube, have been alienating and demonising any man, using the oft-repeated cliche phrase 'Ugh, men suck!' or 'I'm a man and yeah, we suck!' for brownie points, but mainly to impress biological women by showing the ladies what nice guys they are and girls can totally trust them over the giga-chads.

So much sowing, so much pushing lonely men into alt-right corners.

And now you get to reap from those fully grown seeds. Far too little and far too late to even think about 'getting men to understand where the sentiment comes from', when you've pushed all the men away and the only people left in the house are lunatics.

[benji]

Somebody like Booshka's posts aren't infuriating because I'm just like "lol, yep, he's got the talking points down." Or Thordinson (rest in pieces) or Scuffed I'm like "wow, they almost got all the buzzwords in that one."

But the more I actually read Nepenthe's the more I actually start to get frustrated at how stupid they are before I remember this means nobody else must read them.

edit: Also all hers are written in this style where they're supposed to be these grand mic drop manifestos that leave you awe struck.

[books]

Dragon Age Veilguard was the last straw. 42k concurrent players right now. Gamers aka white cis chuds rose up to defend our short boi Varrec.

Edit- no need for blue hair hate.

[EaldNarche]

That twat Thordinson finally got banned. With the election stress and all he must have got on some mods last nerve. 

[books]

Its funny, you can talk about eliminating your enemies and get pats on the back, but at a certain point, the glee of eliminating your enemies becomes disturbing; and these are basement dwellers so ya never know if they're serious or not. Amd knowing some of these fools, ya gotta shut it down.

Fuck Thordison. Put him in a gulag.

[benji]

So there's been lots of quotes in the last few pages from the "What does progressive outreach to men look like? How can we turn the tide?" thread. This one from Kyuuji's latest post is especially worth highlighting because it again shows what a slimey, two-faced creep he truly is.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-progressive-outreach-to-men-look-like-how-can-we-turn-the-tide.1028586/page-23#post-131358366

What people have also said is that women aren't likely to stop voicing their frustrations with men, particularly in places with other women, so making this outreach contingent on that happening seems largely pointless. Instead getting boys and men to understand and appreciate where that sentiment comes from and why would not only help foster empathy but also allow them to see women as more than an object or achievement (when speaking to people already circling the alt-right pipeline).

I think there's two larger fundamental problems with their conception of the entire subject, and they're both illustrated in this post by Kyuuji. (A person who believes he has successfully opted out of women's frustrations with men by simply declaring himself to not be a man anymore.)

First, as I reiterate you can see their black-and-white all-or-nothing zero-sum thinking all over that thread. Either men have to accept being destroyed by women or women have to accept being destroyed by men. If you reject the former, you must want the latter. No other possibility for anyone except abject surrender to the "other side" which can only have completely contradictory interests at the expense of The Other.

"Women" and "men" as tangible singular groups and no individuals at all, yet each individual is held solely responsible for the actions of all of the circumstantial group. Which leads to conversations like this:
Woman (and male feminist ally): men should stop raping women.
Man: I agree with you.
Woman (and male feminist ally): yet men are still raping women. Men (especially you, Man) have failed women.
Man: but I oppose rape. And I don't rape.
Woman (and male feminist ally): so you want women to stop voicing their frustrations? This is why men (especially you, Man) have failed women.

Invert for any men's concerns about women.

The very nature of the "conflict" bakes this in. If you come out "I oppose rapists! Rapists should stop!" Nobody will disagree with you except some rapists. But nothing will happen, so you have to expand your targets until you can find people who will do something based on you condemning them. The problem is the same though, yelling at men who you know agree with you will not get them to change their behavior rendering your sole method useless. Whereas any man who resists in any form, even if it's to indicate that they too oppose rape or that they aren't a rapist, can now be doubly condemned for not just not ending the problem but also dismissing your concerns. And now you see why he's even worse than the rapists!

Again, invert for any men's concerns about women, whatever those may be.

This problem actually stems from the dishonesty of what the one group claims they want. To continue with the rape example in many cases the progressive activists don't mean "rape-rape" (as Whoopi put it) they mean thousands upon thousands of behaviors of varying degrees unified solely by the fact that the activists dislike them. Similar is the incel belief that lesbians should be forced to have sex with them by the power of language manipulation.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-progressive-outreach-to-men-look-like-how-can-we-turn-the-tide.1028586/page-23

One last thing I will say is that the now constant framing of the likes of Andrew Tate as a "kind hand" and women as the meanies venting about their experiences with men is deeply concerning.

Real women should be seen but not heard energy in here.

Dawg all of society does that, men and women. This is a reckoning for how we all emotionally and intellectually neglect young boys and then expect them to be perfect and navigate an increasingly complex world that no longer caters to them and ignores them while the Andrew Tates and social media have monied interests to target and radicalize them.

There are 900 Andrew Tate posts so I'm not gonna paste them all..

They don't understand the most obvious shit.  Tate's grift works because he says there are things you can do to better yourself, here take my course.  Buy my workout supplements.  Read my books.  Do this, do that. You're poor?  You're bad with women?  Every problem has a solution, do what I tell you.  If your alternative is, "Men are inherently fragile, toxic, part of a culture that diminishes women" or whatever generalized, macro level, bullshit you use to take the individual and his effort out of the mix, you lose.  If you're tempted to characterize the behavior of men in relation to women as negative, you're going to lose them, because that generality has no bearing on the individual man that is voting.  It's that simple.  People don't want to be told that they are what the group they belong to generalizes to.   Men want to feel empowered, that they can change things.  It's emasculating to be told what to do and who you are, and to just accept a lot in life you're not satisfied with.  Masculine traits involve carving out a path for yourself, making decisions, etc not begging on Kofi for Lunchly meals.  Just ask a woman what she is attracted to and you'll know what masculinity is, in a general sense.  This is so simple.  All the Democratic party has to do is treat people like individuals and not assign negative characteristics to people based on the group they belong to, and let them be free to find and own their success, without hinging any conditions about how they got it on their identity instead of their efforts. We all are born with certain gifts and givens, some are truly unlucky and some have everything, but race is supposed to be an arbitrary meaningless characteristic.  If you want to make identity a focal point of your campaign, don't complain when latinos and blacks who couldn't care less about that shit are moving in a different direction.

The Democrats need to come to terms with the fact they have a toxic femininity problem which is deeply entwined with their toxic positivity problem and their Magical Negro/Noble Savage problem.

[Taco Bell Tower]

remember when reetard mods banned people for calling twitter language like "latinx" dumb? (they ended up locking it because of the overwhelming amount of people saying it was retarded)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/politico-democrats-fall-flat-with-%E2%80%98latinx%E2%80%99-language.523995/

well...

Thread is locked due to the numerous reports that have been generated.

Damn right I was on a reporting spree on those users using the word Latinx

[Potato]

I'm going to take a break from politics for a while for my mental health.

My takeaways:

5) we used to be the cool party. We aren't. We're seen as the no fun allowed tipper gore cancel culture party by large swaths of young men. I don't know how to fix this without compromising our values. But it needs to be.

I mean, you literally can't.  

Especially when their primary value seems to be, "silence anyone that attempts to think outside the accepted box."

[benji]

To continue with the rape example

[Potato]

I immediately said I'm not touching another man for the next four years at minimum upon the election being called. Ain't got time to die from an ectopic pregnancy. Too many conventions to attend.

Newsfeed plz.

Bitch, if you could get a man worth shit, you might not be stuck living at home with your parents and criminal brother.

[Potato]

No wonder why a open bigot like Trump is more refreshing than the contempt barely hidden racism of sites like ERA:

“It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a f---ing Mexican!” Vs “Latinos and Asian can pass white, so they can vote whatever. ” 

Both are repugnant both at least Trump is “honest”.

It's the sheer hypocrisy that makes woke progressive racism so deplorable. No kind of racism is good, of course, but the act of becoming this delusional holier-than-thou woke crusader that sets insane standards for what's considered racist, and then doubling back to say something pretty racist is truly disgusting. Like don't say gypped or mexican standoff, or else you're racist. Don't you dare criticize anything this queer AFAB non-binary person for saying something insane, or else you're just a racist white dude.

And then a minority does something not approved by the woke hivemind, they'll sneak in the most backhanded racist shit you've ever heard. Like calling a black man a tap dancing knee-grow, or saying asians and latinos are white passing enough that they're just white trash with a little spice in them. Can't forget that one insane shitlib white woman that called Clarence Thomas the actual n-word just because he was made the poster child for rolling back abortion rights.

Also, there's no consistency to it either. One minute you can get banned for criticizing the CCP, the next minute you're allowed to call South Korea a misogynistic incel hellhole because of Stellar Blade. Then again, morrigan got banned for losing a mexican stand off against Gene Park, while Dice got a pass for implying the same thing. Again, no consistency.

Yeah, but Morrigan is a real cunt...

[Taco Bell Tower]

I immediately said I'm not touching another man for the next four years at minimum upon the election being called. Ain't got time to die from an ectopic pregnancy. Too many conventions to attend.

Newsfeed plz.

Poor B-Dumbs 

[books]

That pink crayon and Nepenthe. Imagine it.

[Taco Bell Tower]

How does she not know Black history yet feels she can lecture everyone about it?

She's too busy larping a Brazilian resistance.

[Potato]

And we've always fought with each other on the best ways to attain freedom and liberation, and we've always been quite amenable to communalism, socialism, communism, and other alternative ways of organization. Some of the tenets of these political systems are actually ingrained in Black culture just as a matter of distributing resources better.

Completely meaningless sentences or tautologies about every group in human history.

edit: The other possibility is that it's a heinously racist statement about non-Black people.

I wonder if Nep has read this paper?

Between Communalism and Individualism: Which Way Africa?

Peter Bisong BISONG, Ph.D, MBA
Department of Philosophy, University of Calabar, Nigeria

ABSTRACT: Due to its encounter with the outside world, Africa has lost and is on the verge of losing most of its traditional values. One of such cherished values is communalism. Since communalism is variously considered to be the distinguishing mark of Africa, many scholars advocate the reinvigoration or strengthening of communalism in Africa. Using the philosophical methods of critical analysis and textual studies, this paper took a deep look at this quest and find out that communalism is the problem of Africa and thus, recommended that it should be allowed to die out. The paper concludes that until Africa, shakes off the yoke of communalism and wears the apron of individualism, it will perpetually find itself unable to overcome the challenges facing contemporary African societies.

---

I conclude this paper by strongly rebutting the claims by Chinua Achebe and others of his ild that the problem with Nigeria, nay Africa, is the problem of leadership. The problem with Africa is rather communalism.

I wonder what names NepNep would call poor Peter?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Time to piss benji off some more! 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-need-to-understand-something-specific-about-trump-supporters.1030500/#post-131362086
NepNep

You're not going to get direct answers from this forum of all places. 🤣 Go to conservative Reddit or something.

[Taco Bell Tower]

razzMAtazz

The way the chuds got concord canned pretty much underlined the current vibe to me

Trumpers are the reason Concord got canned

[benji]

Time to piss benji off some more! 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-need-to-understand-something-specific-about-trump-supporters.1030500/#post-131362086

Okay so, the majorty of Americans who were able to vote, voted for Trump.

Let's discount the nazis and misogynistic lunatics. Fuck those people but I understand it.

There's this bunch of voters who say they can overlook him as a person, his crimes, his bigotry and sheer madness because they don't give a shit about all that if it means more money in their pocket.

"I don't care if he's racist, the economy was better under him" etc etc etc

Now, let's discount the group who use that bullshit to cover up the fact that themselves are racist or sexist or transphobic et al. Fuck those people but I understand it.

Here's what I want to know: who are these people, who put aside all his shit, to focus on the words coming out of his mouth telling them that they'll be richer when he's in power? I'm not talking the 1 percent, I mean the average American Joe who honestly believes that Trump will, without a doubt, put more money in their wage packet. Selfish pricks maybe, but how do they actually believe that? How has he convinced these folks to buy that horseshit when NONE of it has or will happen?

Help me out here.

You believe what the Democrats and your forum's staff members say.

[Potato]

Its funny, you can talk about eliminating your enemies and get pats on the back, but at a certain point, the glee of eliminating your enemies becomes disturbing; and these are basement dwellers so ya never know if they're serious or not. Amd knowing some of these fools, ya gotta shut it down.

Fuck Thordison. Put him in a gulag.

Wrong!!!!

[HaughtyFrank]

razzMAtazz

The way the chuds got concord canned pretty much underlined the current vibe to me

Trumpers are the reason Concord got canned

If AC Shadow flops RE will be on suicide watch

[Potato]

razzMAtazz

The way the chuds got concord canned pretty much underlined the current vibe to me

Trumpers are the reason Concord got canned

Literally show me your receipts razzMAtazz.

It got canned because you cunts didn't even buy it

[Potato]

razzMAtazz

The way the chuds got concord canned pretty much underlined the current vibe to me

Trumpers are the reason Concord got canned

If AC Shadow flops RE will be on suicide watch

Wait a minute, I thought they were just constantly on suicide watch anyway?

[Ribosome]

Time to piss benji off some more! 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-need-to-understand-something-specific-about-trump-supporters.1030500/#post-131362086

Okay so, the majorty of Americans who were able to vote, voted for Trump.

Let's discount the nazis and misogynistic lunatics. Fuck those people but I understand it.

There's this bunch of voters who say they can overlook him as a person, his crimes, his bigotry and sheer madness because they don't give a shit about all that if it means more money in their pocket.

"I don't care if he's racist, the economy was better under him" etc etc etc

Now, let's discount the group who use that bullshit to cover up the fact that themselves are racist or sexist or transphobic et al. Fuck those people but I understand it.

Here's what I want to know: who are these people, who put aside all his shit, to focus on the words coming out of his mouth telling them that they'll be richer when he's in power? I'm not talking the 1 percent, I mean the average American Joe who honestly believes that Trump will, without a doubt, put more money in their wage packet. Selfish pricks maybe, but how do they actually believe that? How has he convinced these folks to buy that horseshit when NONE of it has or will happen?

Help me out here.

You believe what the Democrats and your forum's staff members say.

It's not that hard to figure out. 

Trump promises to lower your taxes and did your lower your taxes before. Deficit spending meant there were no meaningful and unpopular spending cuts (and there might still not be lol) so there was no other shoe dropping. This isn't the Sam Brownback disaster. 

We can jerk off here about monetary policy but at the simplest level people remember that interest rates were lower and prices were cheaper when Trump was in office. Homes were more affordable. That's not arguable.

[Chumbawumbafan69]

That progressive outreach thread is a false flag by Benji. It has to be. Every post is just this: 

[benji]

We can jerk off here about monetary policy

The bright spot might be when it fucks him over this time his rage will focus attention on it.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

lol jk

 

[Ribosome]

Amusingly if the Democrat's hadn't stolen the election in 2020, Trump would also have been caught by a post-COVID inflationary wave and would have finished out his term as an ineffectual lame duck sparring with a Democratic congress and his heterodox agenda dead in the water. Oops!

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wired-after-trumps-victory-the-4b-movement-is-spreading-across-tiktok.1030458/#post-131355864

Your body, my choice.

Let a fucker say that to one of the women in my life.

He'll probably just bitch about it on Ree instead of doing something about it like the GAF comic

[Greatness Gone]

Dragon Age Veilguard was the last straw. 42k concurrent players right now. Gamers aka white cis chuds rose up to defend our short boi Varrec.

Edit- no need for blue hair hate.

It’s sad that the writing is so abysmal. I think the game design elements (combat/level design/skill tree) are all actually pretty solid. 

[BananaBlast]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-does-progressive-outreach-to-men-look-like-how-can-we-turn-the-tide.1028586/page-22#post-131355018

Has someone in this thread stated that every man alive is spouting Andrew Tate levels of bullshit?

Disingenuous bullshit. This is literally what these woke nuts do, except it's not "every man alive" and just "men" instead. They sure love saying "men do X bad thing" without isolating specific people or communities. But generalize women or trans women and all hell breaks loose.

Eimi AKA Valkaria is just gaslighting by trying to take hyperbole literally, but even then you can probably still find responses in the thread that are "men say sexist bullshit all the time, screw men"