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[Boredfrom]

Anyway, back to laughable Era takes:

I have no doubt we are going to witness a new genocide of Palestinians in the next few weeks on the scale of Deir Yassin and Sabra and Shatila - and Israel is 100% responsible for all deaths. IDF spokespeople have already said they will be targetting schools and hospitals with no push back from its Western allies

Some people forget in International Law that the occupying power (Israel) bears the full responsibility for all massacres and genocides including any committed by Hamas

[benji]

Anyway, back to laughable Era takes:

Some people forget in International Law that the occupying power (Israel) bears the full responsibility for all massacres and genocides including any committed by Hamas

Oh, that's cool. I'm sure Israel will finally sign up and turn over their people to The Hague. Or maybe everyone else will take military action against Israel to enforce court judgments and capture people to bring charges against.

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A quick search makes it clear that this claim about responsibility in occupation is more nuanced. It would also require Israelis to sue Israel for not eliminating Hamas.

[Boredfrom]

You really think the genocidal Likud party (the predecessor of which was called Herut and is what Albert Einstein likened to Nazis, called them terrorists and fascists) and IDF is just going after Hamas? This isn't a war with nations and following military tactics, observing the rules of engagement. They want to exterminate all Palestinians. They don't care how many war crimes they commit because they know the international community is with them. They've already set the actions into place. They are not interested in just targeting Hamas fighters, and they've never been. And now they'll rain fire on thousands of innocents while they're stuck in this open air prison.

[HardcoreRetro]

They keep shouting: "Free Palestine!" yet when the Israelis take it they complain.

 

[benji]

You really think the genocidal Likud party (the predecessor of which was called Herut and is what Albert Einstein likened to Nazis, called them terrorists and fascists)

They were criticised by Jewish intellectuals on the occasion of Begin's visit to New York City in an open letter to The New York Times on 4 December 1948. The letter condemned Herut as "akin to Nazi and fascist parties", and as a "terrorist party". It was signed by over twenty prominent Jewish intellectuals, including Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Zellig Harris, and Sidney Hook.

Toward the end of the Fifth Knesset in 1965, and in preparation for the upcoming election, Herut joined with the Liberal Party (itself a recent merger of the General Zionists and the Progressive Party) to form Gahal (a Hebrew acronym for the Herut-Liberal Bloc (Hebrew: גוש חרות-ליברלים, Gush Herut-Liberalim)), although each party remained independent within the alliance. The merger helped moderate Herut's political isolation and created a right-wing opposition bloc with a broader base and more realistic chance to lead the government. The full alliance did not survive, however, because seven members of the Liberal Party, mostly former Progressives, soon defected from the Liberals and formed the Independent Liberals

In September 1973, Gahal merged with the Free Centre, the National List and the non-parliamentary Movement for Greater Israel to create Likud, again with all parties retaining their independence within the union

The party was finally disbanded in 1988, when Likud dissolved its internal factions to become a unitary party.

Great work as always, Messofanego. Maybe should have looked at Wikipedia instead of basing your knowledge off, presumably, that hour-long YouTube video you posted.

btw, Likud currently only holds 32 out of 120 seats. It has exactly half of the government coalition's seats. It got 23% of the vote last year.

edit: Further, the critique by Einstein et al does not seem to be based on genocide:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine ... It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents ... Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future

The letter doesn't even mention anything like genocide and the terrorism part of the critique is inapposite to Messofanego's citation of it:

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Remember, the people like Messofanego (and other prominent members) are the ones who want to lecture us on how things aren't black-and-white like our animes and insist we're the ones afraid of having our "tidy" good-vs-evil narratives challenged.

[HaughtyFrank]

[Chumbawumbafan69]

issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group Hamas. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"

[benji]

Nice of these traitors against solidarity for the marginalized to go mask off and show their asses. I always knew something was sus about Nepal having all those different Communist parties.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

This is weak. They folded and showed that their signature on the statement was nothing more than an attempt to virtue signal. If you want to side with the Palestinians and blame the Jews for everything Hamas does just own it and if anyone complains tell them to fuck off.

No one has convictions anymore.. except Mr. Trump.

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You really think the genocidal Likud party (the predecessor of which was called Herut and is what Albert Einstein likened to Nazis, called them terrorists and fascists)

They were criticised by Jewish intellectuals on the occasion of Begin's visit to New York City in an open letter to The New York Times on 4 December 1948. The letter condemned Herut as "akin to Nazi and fascist parties", and as a "terrorist party". It was signed by over twenty prominent Jewish intellectuals, including Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Zellig Harris, and Sidney Hook.

Toward the end of the Fifth Knesset in 1965, and in preparation for the upcoming election, Herut joined with the Liberal Party (itself a recent merger of the General Zionists and the Progressive Party) to form Gahal (a Hebrew acronym for the Herut-Liberal Bloc (Hebrew: גוש חרות-ליברלים, Gush Herut-Liberalim)), although each party remained independent within the alliance. The merger helped moderate Herut's political isolation and created a right-wing opposition bloc with a broader base and more realistic chance to lead the government. The full alliance did not survive, however, because seven members of the Liberal Party, mostly former Progressives, soon defected from the Liberals and formed the Independent Liberals

In September 1973, Gahal merged with the Free Centre, the National List and the non-parliamentary Movement for Greater Israel to create Likud, again with all parties retaining their independence within the union

The party was finally disbanded in 1988, when Likud dissolved its internal factions to become a unitary party.

Great work as always, Messofanego. Maybe should have looked at Wikipedia instead of basing your knowledge off, presumably, that hour-long YouTube video you posted.

btw, Likud currently only holds 32 out of 120 seats. It has exactly half of the government coalition's seats. It got 23% of the vote last year.

edit: Further, the critique by Einstein et al does not seem to be based on genocide:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine ... It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents ... Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future

The letter doesn't even mention anything like genocide and the terrorism part of the critique is inapposite to Messofanego's citation of it:

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Remember, the people like Messofanego (and other prominent members) are the ones who want to lecture us on how things aren't black-and-white like our animes and insist we're the ones afraid of having our "tidy" good-vs-evil narratives challenged.

You have too much time to fact check all this crap.

[Snoopy]

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tara-strong-batgirl-timmy-turner-miss-minutes-goes-mask-off-islamophobic-claims-muslims-are-preparing-to-take-over-the-world.773597/

title has to be an attempt to damn with faint praise, they picked batgirl, timmy turner and miss minutes? who the fuck is miss minutes?

tara strong has voiced tons of big name stuff for ages like powerpuff girls, my little pony, teen titans, metal gear, final fantasy...

also voiced a game that nepenthe has worked on

[Uncle]

era: "...and therefore since Hamas is good, wtf I love Trump now"

[kaleidoscopium]

Any Palestinians on mainstream media will be interrogated to an inch of their lives, because Palestinians are so demonised and dehumanised for decades. Mohammed El Kurd said as such.

I've had different news channels on all day reporting from Gaza and the stories are absolutely harrowing. One man had forty members of his extended family killed by an Israeli bomb with no warning given and they lived in a residential building. Doctors are describing horrific and life changing injuries to children beyond the 269 that have been killed so far. And this is only the beginning. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies this response. The world should hang it's head in shame for not intervening to stop this.

Yeah I’ve got absolutely no respect for anyone who would fix their lips to call this “self defense”

I really love the amount of people I've seen saying something akin to: "It's not Israel's fault that Hamas uses human shields and specifically positions their infrastructure in civilian locations - it's a sad reality that in situations like these civilian casualties can't be avoided but Israel are doing their best!".

Just taking for granted the fact that it just seems cool and normal now to kill hostages and human shields in the name of killing criminals.
Like... when has it ever been the just, moral, ethical, or sane thing to do to shoot through a human shield to get to the hostage taker? All these people seem to just excuse the fact that's what the IDF are literally doing, and what they're advocating for, just because there's a sense of distance on the other side of a cockpit that isn't there with a gun in the hand. The IDF knows there are civilians there in the buildings they're targeting (and apparently not even warning any more). They are actively making the choice to murder innocents because their lives mean less than revenge - anyone justifying that, or making excuses for it is a monster in my books and I hope that I never have to be in close proximity to them in real life.

And that's ignoring the rest of the casual warcriming that Israel and the IDF are participating in (not to mention have historically participated in), and being cheered on for. I really don't understand how people logic these facts as somehow the good option.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hamas-attacks-israel-including-attacks-and-kidnappings-of-civilians-israel-retaliates-with-massive-missile-attacks-against-civilian-targets-in-gaza.772478/page-51

There's a reason Hamas has their main HQ under a hospital for fucks sake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital?oldformat=true

Al-Shifa Hospital (Arabic: مستشفى الشفاء Mustashfa al-Shifa), properly known as Dar Al-Shifa Hospital (Arabic: مستشفى دار الشفاء Mustashfat dar al-Shifa) is the largest medical complex and central hospital in the Gaza Strip, located in the neighbourhood of North Rimal in Gaza City in the Gaza Governorate. In 2014, the hospital was described as a “de-facto headquarters” for Hamas. The hospital was reported by Amnesty International to have been used by Hamas to torture and murder dissidents.

These people really fall for Hamas' bullshit that easily.

[Bootsthecat]

I thought we were here to make fun of autistic 40 year olds larping as lesbians. But turns out it's a politics thread

[HaughtyFrank]

I think you can still be critical of the IDF just taking all that collateral damage into account. When someone uses a human shield he's a scumbag but that doesn't mean you should just open fire either. 
Still, RE seems to have deluded themselves into thinking that the IDF only wants to target civilians

[MMM]

A lot of nonsense in here. Hamas are beheading babies with no real source on that. Israel shooting children in the streets for years? No. Those children were being used as human shields by the evil Palestinians. It's their fault.

[Uncle]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/hamas-terrorists-infiltrated-israel-1200-killed-2400-wounded-100-abducted-israel-declares-war.1662101/page-55#post-268500281

[Not an Alt Account]

Btw, if the elf hadn't played grab ass in the shower, would the forum be less or more unhinged today?

 or   ?

[Uncle]

noegaf had a lot of momentum, even though a lot of the big names in gaming had already left

were the old mods less unhinged and power tripping than nepenthe etc.? I don't know???

there weren't any trans mods at gaf, were there? and it was rare for there to be mod turnover

lore would've tried to let it coast as long as possible without needing to clean house

[Greatness Gone]

Btw, if the elf hadn't played grab ass in the shower, would the forum be less or more unhinged today?

The election changed GAF really rapidly iirc. Things got way more dour and sensitive after Trump, but 2016-2017 GAF never got even close to as unhinged as modern day era. IDK. I don't think GAF moderation would have allowed things to happen the same way.

[Not an Alt Account]

I do not remember Nepnep on gaf... was she there?

[Greatness Gone]

were the old mods less unhinged and power tripping than nepenthe etc.? I don't know???

I'm going to say yes as a whole, only because I can't remember anyone particularly crazy outside of Lore/Besada/Amir0x. Maybe Dragona had a moment? Whereas every single mod on Era (except for based Hogwarts Legacy playing admin Coldsun) is some level of retarded.

[TylenolJones]

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It’s funny, you are all making fun of resetera’s anti semitism, but Neogaf was a neo nazi forum for a couple years after the incident happened. 

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Btw, if the elf hadn't played grab ass in the shower, would the forum be less or more unhinged today?

 or   ?

The same. End of the day all he cared about was his ad revenue going up and not rocking the boat.

[NekoFever]

Lore was at least willing to shut things down when the inmates started getting a bit mental. I remember a (seemingly now deleted) thread during an early attempt to ban gendered insults when he called them a bunch of cunts and said it wouldn't happen. And while a few latter day mods were certainly power-tripping, I don't remember any being genuinely unhinged.

But Era is just an acceleration on the trajectory that community was already heading down, so while we might be less far off the deep end had certain things not happened, we'd still be going in that direction.

[NekoFever]

Maybe Dragona had a moment?

My one ban in 15 years across GAF/Era was in one of her infamous mass bans when someone (and it wasn't even me) made a joke about female drivers.

[Polident]

I thought we were here to make fun of autistic 40 year olds larping as lesbians. But turns out it's a politics thread

The two topics will intersect once the draft happens. There’s a reason why a joint CIA and Mossad operation quietly dispersed copies of Prisoner of Azkaban around Lebanon.

[HaughtyFrank]

Evilore always enjoyed being the big guy that wasn't affected by any of the rules. You'd have a thread where people would be banned for saying something islslamophobic and then Lore would come in, have that same opinion as the banned people and suddenly the ones accusing him of islamophobia would get banned

[MMM]

Remember the good old days when there was a thread on neogaf about banning that transphobic slur that is filtered on here and Evilore said 'nah'? And that was just accepted. 

This was like 2011. Was absolutely well known as a slur back then.

[Besticus Maximus]

That thread has kind of broken the fun of laughing at them. But really I’m mad at the whole internet I suppose. Especially resetera though, you’re meant to be better than that at the most basic level. And if you aren’t at least be amusing.

I also worry that I’m becoming detached from the fun of live news threads on the internets. What was once fascinating from an ivory tower is now being locked inside an asylum with Freddie krugers’ hundred maniac fathers.

I yearn for the internet of balloon boy