Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Taco Bell Tower]

Lived with chronic illness my entire life, so yeah, there's always a fear there. So far so good however.

With all due respect, anyone who voted yes needs to take a step back and evaluate their priorities.

That said, I do find it somewhat comical that criminals like SBF will never play the next GTA - at least not anytime soon.

Why do we need to evaluate our priorities? Some of us do live with the fear of eventually dying, and gaming might be one of the hobbies that we can do.

[kaleidoscopium]

for me it took a solid 3 years of constant trimming and pruning of recommendations to get my youtube algorithm to not show me shitheads, alt-right and gamergate fucks

from what ive heard about tiktok it takes roughly an afternoon

I literally had to block 30 channels with a google chrome extension that actually blocks Youtube channels from appearing on the site because I was watching game related content during the sweet baby inc situation. On twitter, countless bluec heckmarks flooding the comments of any person speaking about it, and that's if they aren't for some reason posting about trans people. The topic on Tiktok, had that grift fall flat on its face. With the most viewed video being one that debunks the information and calls out the situation for what it is. That's the major difference, American social media execs/libertarians actively have a desire to make sure people remain as polarized as possible. And I checked a new account, unlogged in, and my own account. The EU is really the only place that's been trying to enact change in social media for positive reasons, the American gov has negative interest in doing that.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-3?post=120184980#post-120184980

Imagine being this butthurt about social media recommendations... they don't even stop to think that their extremist rhetoric is why youtube/twitter/etc consider them to be extremists and are recommending other weird extreme content

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/variety-zack-snyder-says-more-people-probably-saw-%E2%80%98rebel-moon%E2%80%99-than-saw-%E2%80%98barbie%E2%80%99-in-the-theater-right-%E2%80%9D.824877/?post=120169161#post-120169161

Hold up, during a conversation with whom?

[benji]

I don't get it, I'm more aligned with "alt-right" and "gamergate" fucks than they are but I seriously never get any of them.

You know what I don't watch? "Progressive" outrage channels that do nothing but complain about these.

[Polident]

I'm going to be blunt and say that all this dancing around the basic reality that targeting public displays of religiosity both in practice and intent serves to target visible, often non-white minorities, really doesn't serve to do anything except show disinterest in the fact that visible, often non-white minorities are being targeted. You can can claim good intentions all you'd like, but when you're looking directly at the effects and stating your agreement with them, I can't pretend that you're stating your support for anything other than what you're looking at.

Muslims are disproportionately jailed in places like Canada and Europe. Jails in France famously had a majority Muslim prison population while having an overall Muslim population of less than ten percent. It's not a coincidence; they're marginalized because these societies and the people therein set out to marginalize them.

I think there is more worthwhile places to fight marginalization over secularism at school, specially because past incidents indicate that Muslims tend to overreact about this.  

Fucking RE inability to understand why secularism is good thing because “DISCRIMINATION!”.

Let folks pray. It's not that hard.

I agree… just not in school.

It’s difficult to tell who fell face first into propaganda or if it’s white guilt or is deliberately exploiting religion. But the insistence that Islam is somehow some this fresh small ideology and above criticism continues to be crazy. It’s the second (debatably the first) biggest religion in the world. Until about a hundred years ago you had various caliphates and conquests under the religion. In relatively modern contexts, you have cases like Lebanon, Iran, Armenia, etc. In the several Muslim majority nations, this tolerance for other religions just doesn’t exist.

That’s all to say, you can admit it’s weird. We’re all cool with saying Mormons are weird. Nobody interjects to defend soaking. That’s the nice thing about secular societies.

[Potato]

Another take is that the YouTube and Twitter algorithms are doing their best work in trying to balance the recommendations to these idiots to try to stop them falling down the rabbit hole of confirmation bias that they desperately seek.

TikTok, coming from what is a closed society that has a vested interest in not allowing dissenting views, might be fine with people just being fed a self-approved diet of extremist content.

[benji]

I literally had to block 30 channels with a google chrome extension that actually blocks Youtube channels from appearing on the site because I was watching game related content during the sweet baby inc situation. On twitter, countless bluec heckmarks flooding the comments of any person speaking about it, and that's if they aren't for some reason posting about trans people. The topic on Tiktok, had that grift fall flat on its face. With the most viewed video being one that debunks the information and calls out the situation for what it is. That's the major difference, American social media execs/libertarians actively have a desire to make sure people remain as polarized as possible.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-3?post=120184980#post-120184980

This sounds like exactly what I said. An idiot like Crossing Eden thinks the topic has been shutdown on Tik Tok because he watched a single video saying there was no issue which is what he wanted to be told and then he stopped engaging completely in the topic. But on Twitter he has to face the "active desire" of "executives" to "make sure people remain as polarized as possible" by allowing discussion to happen.

edit: The YouTube situation has more to do with those channels that just constantly put out topics, you look at them and they do like ten videos a day and shit, it's nothing but reading some news story and then rambling about it for a few minutes. These are popular because it's how a lot of people get their news, I'm not sure they actually have any ideological connection to the person. There's tons of these that aren't even ideological, they're basically hype for everything channels, which is probably "alt-right" since the inverse is what ResetERA.com does.

[benji]

Another take is that the YouTube and Twitter algorithms are doing their best work in trying to balance the recommendations to these idiots to try to stop them falling down the rabbit hole of confirmation bias that they desperately seek.

TikTok, coming from what is a closed society that has a vested interest in not allowing dissenting views, might be fine with people just being fed a self-approved diet of extremist content.

I mean, they demanded YouTube and Twitter do this. They somehow only expected it to feed them more of what they like.

[Taco Bell Tower]

They spent all of that time shitting on FF16, a legitimately good game, only for their savior to perform worse...this thread is hilarious.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/famitsu-sales-2-26-24-%E2%80%93-3-3-24.824772/

They're shaking PS5 isn't doing well in Japan

[benji]

They think it's some elaborate ideological conspiracy across thousands of executives but I bet it's really a crude equation like if you watch five BreadTube or Ben Shapiro videos it will surface something on the same topic tagged with the opposite political view. And maybe another tagged "centrist" or whatever.

Then when they get a single video like that poking their safe space bubble they freak out even though they could just not click on it and just watch whatever stupid shit is next from the channels they like.

You're probably right that Tik Tok doesn't even bother. Especially considering the length of the videos on there.

[kaleidoscopium]

It is far harder for those things to spread on Tiktok specifically because the algorithm is truly user based and not "Oh you like Star Was, well, here's some anti-feminist content! Oh you clicked on it? 😃 HERE'S MOREEEE! Yes it will take you ages to get rid of this no matter what you do. Unless you literally mod your web browser to change how this website functions."

Tiktok does all those things too dude...

Yes, because it has millions and millions of users, far right content exists on the platform, but it's far worse on American social media companies. Because they have a legitimate interest in pushing that content to as many users as possible. With one of the leaders of a major site actively endorsing and repeating that content daily.

Who would’ve guessed Eden was a full blown chinaphile 😂

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-3?post=120186237#post-120186237

[benji]

Actually now that I think about it, I realized that Crossing Eden's conspiracy theory is the inverse of what you would do if you wanted to polarize people. Keeping them in their bubbles is the way to polarization because they'll never have the bubbles broken with dissent. The reason Fox News and MSNBC "polarized us" is because it went from people being able to escape the dominant narrative sometimes to people refusing to watch content that went against their own views. Fox got hit with this most severely when they refused to back Trump Uber Alles, MAGA didn't care that Tucker and Sean Hannity still agreed with them, they couldn't abide any dissent against Trump.

It's called siloing and it's not some advanced science or anything. It's also why ResetERA.com can't ever fathom that people don't agree with them and will still buy Harry Potter stuff or not go see The Marvels.

These guys are supposed to be our intellectual betters who can uncover the false consciousness and expose the dominant narratives underlying the system but they lock themselves into such a narcissistic ideological silo that they'll willingly abandon asking any questions completely. (With good reason since that's what the bad people outside the silo do.)

Then they accuse everyone else of doing this deliberately because why else would someone disagree with them.

[Nintex]

I would like some proof that people that listen to Joe Rogan actually think he's smart instead of a conspiracy minded, stoner, meathead who happens to have a wide variety of guest and lets them talk.

I think people listen to him mostly for entertainment, his podcasts are always entertaining and he just lets interesting guests talk about whatever they want.
Compared to other shows where it's either product placement, carefully orchestrated debates or young hosts without any real life experience.

Zack Snyder simping on Spartans or Elon Musk smoking weed, that's something that can only happen on the Joe Rogan experience.
He actually mentioned he didn't like having those politicians on during the previous Democratic primaries because they didn't really have anything interesting to say, they were just there to try and persuade voters. Tulsi Gabbard sort of became a 'friend of the show' after that but most of the others like Bernie never appeared again. 

I do think he's smart in his own way though, he turned his shtick in a multi-million media empire that he runs with like 2 or 3 people.
Morons can't land million dollar contracts with corporations on their own terms.

[kaleidoscopium]

Yea read my edit. You cannot make the argument that the "new kid" is actively causing more harms than the websites actively responsible for pushing Trump into the white house, sites that're going for round 2 this year. American's biggest problem is right wingers terrorism/nationalism. And that has the biggest foothold, not the app most used by young people, but on American websites. Thus it stands to reason that the BIGGEST concern, should be those, and that we should instead read the room, or watch the room, and use critical thinking to come to the conclusion that there has not been a single politician interested in banning Tiktok for reasons that benefit the American people.

It's not just far right content that's the problem, how about you actually try reading some of this stuff?

Like, shit, I agree that this shouldn't be solely aimed at tiktok, but dudes outright defending it like it doesn't do all sorts of bad stuff to everyone are infuriating.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-3?post=120186636#post-120186636

B dubs being upset that he’s cultivated a retard jihad website is always hilarious to me.

[Nintex]

Wasn't Trump super viral on Tiktok as of late?

I mean, a lot of the reposted Trump clips I see on X now all have that Tiktok intro thing and it's mostly recycled 2016 - 2020 stuff or AI content with Trump in GTA or Minecraft or whatever.
"Gamer Trump" was a pretty popular zoomer meme for a while. They don't see him as Nazi dictator but based funny orange man.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-3?post=120184230#post-120184230

We're not an authoritarian regime that actively stifles dissent and rewrites history (criminalizing the truth in the process) to suit it's own whims?

 

[kaleidoscopium]

No idea, I don’t use Chinese spyware social media. Just X and thebore.net

[HaughtyFrank]

And that's without getting into the blatant Sinophobia/hypocrisy. As a born and raised American, Americans going "China committed genocide recently" is the pot calling the kettle black in everyway shape and form. Hell, we literally have a sticky on the front page about an ongoing genocide targeting a marginalized group across the US, which is just one of multiple that's happened in the last decadde inside the US (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Trump_administration_migrant_detentions), which included sterilization and torture of migrants, and plans to double down in the the near future depending on how the election goes.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/post-120184593

Really out there devaluing the definition of genocide. The migrant detention centers are fucked but that's not genocide either

[Uncle]

I don't get it, I'm more aligned with "alt-right" and "gamergate" fucks than they are but I seriously never get any of them.

You know what I don't watch? "Progressive" outrage channels that do nothing but complain about these.

oh my god he admits it 

[Polident]

Call me crazy but I think women also like watching a romance between characters.

This is all rambling, but much of the balance in literature and media for women is desiring and being desired. All of the Jane Austen stuff to Twilight to those Fabio cover books to shoujo manga etc. They tend to take the passive role. Not necessarily without agency. It’s compared with romance media for men that puts them in the active role. It’s winning the girl and stuff like that. There’s a whole argument about gender roles and tropes and whatever. But vast majority follow tropes for a reason.

I think the point I’m trying to find is how these guys don’t really know what it is to be desired or how to win somebody over. There’s a bitterness over how ordinary people connect with romance. Even the dudes in relationships probably never felt that way.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-3?post=120184230#post-120184230

We're not an authoritarian regime that actively stifles dissent and rewrites history (criminalizing the truth in the process) to suit it's own whims?

 

No context BDumbs is the best!!

[Snoopy]

All Dumbs has to do is ask Eden why he spent years rabidly defending a company full of French rapists

[BIONIC]

He was also a moon landing denier.

He thinks the moon landing actually happened

[benji]

I would like some proof that people that listen to Joe Rogan actually think he's smart instead of a conspiracy minded, stoner, meathead who happens to have a wide variety of guest and lets them talk.

I think people listen to him mostly for entertainment, his podcasts are always entertaining and he just lets interesting guests talk about whatever they want.
Compared to other shows where it's either product placement, carefully orchestrated debates or young hosts without any real life experience.

Zack Snyder simping on Spartans or Elon Musk smoking weed, that's something that can only happen on the Joe Rogan experience.
He actually mentioned he didn't like having those politicians on during the previous Democratic primaries because they didn't really have anything interesting to say, they were just there to try and persuade voters. Tulsi Gabbard sort of became a 'friend of the show' after that but most of the others like Bernie never appeared again. 

I do think he's smart in his own way though, he turned his shtick in a multi-million media empire that he runs with like 2 or 3 people.
Morons can't land million dollar contracts with corporations on their own terms.

I think Joe is actually smarter and more engaged than he appears but I think he tries to keep the laid back "just discussing" vibe and knows the GUEST is supposed to be the actual star of that specific episode. I've barely watched the show but I've seen clips where Joe knows he's got somebody and he will brutalize them with simple and to the point questions. It's not even ideological I've seen him do it to both Sargon and some social justice warrior comedian dude. 

That's not to say that his real interests probably aren't in that conspiracy, aliens and other stuff but just that I think he adopts a persona that makes for the better discussion rather than show off how smart he thinks he is. 

I may be projecting though as I feel too many shows that have guests are all about the host trying to appear smart when they're usually the least informed person. Joe Rogan is more like Firing Line with a stoner conspiracy meathead than Vaush yelling at someone that they're stupid as he wiki's whatever the topic is.

[Polident]

He was also a moon landing denier.

He thinks the moon landing actually happened

[HaughtyFrank]

I don't listen to Rogan but I gotta hand it to him. He doesn't just have interesting guests, but also guests that become a lot more interesting later on

[Potato]

I would like some proof that people that listen to Joe Rogan actually think he's smart instead of a conspiracy minded, stoner, meathead who happens to have a wide variety of guest and lets them talk.

I think people listen to him mostly for entertainment, his podcasts are always entertaining and he just lets interesting guests talk about whatever they want.
Compared to other shows where it's either product placement, carefully orchestrated debates or young hosts without any real life experience.

Zack Snyder simping on Spartans or Elon Musk smoking weed, that's something that can only happen on the Joe Rogan experience.
He actually mentioned he didn't like having those politicians on during the previous Democratic primaries because they didn't really have anything interesting to say, they were just there to try and persuade voters. Tulsi Gabbard sort of became a 'friend of the show' after that but most of the others like Bernie never appeared again. 

I do think he's smart in his own way though, he turned his shtick in a multi-million media empire that he runs with like 2 or 3 people.
Morons can't land million dollar contracts with corporations on their own terms.

I think Joe is actually smarter and more engaged than he appears but I think he tries to keep the laid back "just discussing" vibe and knows the GUEST is supposed to be the actual star of that specific episode. I've barely watched the show but I've seen clips where Joe knows he's got somebody and he will brutalize them with simple and to the point questions. It's not even ideological I've seen him do it to both Sargon and some social justice warrior comedian dude. 

That's not to say that his real interests probably aren't in that conspiracy, aliens and other stuff but just that I think he adopts a persona that makes for the better discussion rather than show off how smart he thinks he is. 

I may be projecting though as I feel too many shows that have guests are all about the host trying to appear smart when they're usually the least informed person. Joe Rogan is more like Firing Line with a stoner conspiracy meathead than Vaush yelling at someone that they're stupid as he wiki's whatever the topic is.

Rogan is clearly a cluey guy...most of his fans though...
 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

He was also a moon landing denier.

He thinks the moon landing actually happened

[benji]

Rogan is clearly a cluey guy...most of his fans though...
 

Cluey?

Bluey?

[nachobro]

No, it's because Twitter is American so the government can't do shit like this to it but Congress does have the power to restrict foreign companies.

benji absolutely DESTROYED by b dubs facts and logic


https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/post-120187188