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[benji]

GENOCIDE JOE STRIKES AGAIN:

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[benji]

It's not just far right content that's the problem, how about you actually try reading some of this stuff?

I have. Multiple times, in fact, i've posted multiple articles about it myself, across multiple threads.

Like, shit, I agree that this shouldn't be solely aimed at tiktok, but dudes outright defending it like it doesn't do all sorts of bad stuff to everyone are infuriating.

People, myself included, have literally acknowledged, I repeat, in multiple threads, about the negative effects, but also how said negative effects not only don't justify a banning given what goes on in American platforms, which are worse, but also how they are outweighed by the positive, bigger positives. Positives that matter much more to the actual people affected than allies who have the benefit/privilege to think or say

"It's acceptable to lose that and this incredibly shortsighted idea by racist politicians has some merit."

Like you don't gotta hand it to the US government for solely targeting an app they cannot control.

That's not saying, the app with millions of people isn't doing anything worth questioning, we should question things, without cosigning the latest attempt at fascism from the "We REALLY want fascism" party.

This was passed unanimously, which means the Democrats supported it without dissent but don't worry, someone mentioned that and Crossing Eden has a response:

I'm confused why you're saying this. It's a bipartisan bill. It was passed unanimously by its committee, which has 23 Democrats on it and 29 Republicans. Are you saying Democrats are the "We REALLY want fascism" party as well? That the republicans on that committee bullied the democrats into passing it? I have problems with the Democrats but damn.

Democrats are absolutely the "We will give and inch and let them take a mile" party. The US two party system, like the US itself, is an exercise in choosing the lesser evil, one just happens to be far far more openly evil than the other while the other has people within it who care, but still play by the rules set by the opposition which typically impedes efforts to get actual shit done. Which is how we arrive at a situation, wherein the biggest threat to the US is coming from inside the house, but the government is instead spending time writing legislation and trying to sell Anti-Chinese sentiment to two generations that already smelled their BS years ago. Because yes China is very flawed, as is the US.

Another brilliant man appears:

Yeah, given that TikTok has been an immensely powerful tool for social justice and leftist political action, I see this move to ban it as just a tactic to suppress people in an election year and beyond.

If anything Tiktok highlights the difference between liberalism and leftism quite well. Most especially how liberalism tends to fail the people as an alternative to right wing extremism.

Apparently the alternative to right-wing extremism is an authoritarian state in which the ruling party targets anyone deemed supportive of the political opposition:

What social media sites were used as recruiting grounds in order to gain support for Donald Trump? And are the biggest sources of right wing extremism on the internet? Aka the biggest threat to the US.

Because, the answer to that, is in my eyes, a good place to start.

Anyway some other stupidity:

Seems like an incredibly stupid thing to tackle leading up to the most consequential election ever. Great way to get an already unenthusiastic voting bloc like young voters to actively fucking hate you.

The thought process is that with Tiktok banned, they will actually get more young voters to vote right by virtue of not seeing news they usually would.

Along with the typical calls for unconstitutional laws or demands social media be made unprofitable:

Instead of this, why don't they actually legislate some positive changes for social media?:

1. Protect user data and allow users to opt out of data harvesting
2. Allow users to request total data deletion
3. Ban under 18s from social media
4. Force fake news to be deleted
5. More oversight on alogorithms andhoe they make these sites addictive or potentially dangerous

Social media in general is garbage content with too many pitfalls to society. It doesn't need to be banned because of this, but it should have much more oversight and rules.

[malfoyking]

GENOCIDE JOE STRIKES AGAIN:

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They want Biden, every world leader and everyone in the world to get on their knees and cater to their whims and wants.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-99?post=120173367#post-120173367

I long for the day that TERFs are seen the same way flat-earthers are.

and regarding the beliefs of these groups, whose views more closely represent reality?

[malfoyking]

lol. Yeah flat earthers and believing men cannot literally change to women because they feel like it are the same thing. They're so dumb over there.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/welcome-new-members-introduce-yourself-here.119184/page-35?post=120205188#post-120205188

Hello everyone,

My name is Fahad

Glad to join this reputable message board.

[JoeBoy101]

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/welcome-new-members-introduce-yourself-here.119184/page-35?post=120205188#post-120205188

Hello everyone,

My name is Fahad

Glad to join this reputable message board.

Definitely a troll. Can’t be a Nintex burner, they’re more subtle than that.

[kaleidoscopium]

Yes THANK YOU for pointing this out, this is something that's been frustrating me here and in other threads on similar subjects about bans like the School Phone thread. The lack of concern about how these bans will affect those who need them the most because it doesn't affect them and never coming up with viable alternatives for those groups.

To me, most of the issues with social media come from the lack of responsibility from these companies, from lack of responsibility to curb hate speech, proper moderation etc; all because of a capitalistic system that encourages and rewards this pushed as your rightly point, politicians who also push and are rewarded by it. We should be pushing for regulations to make to force these site to be responsible and punish them for pushing hate speech, but to do that we need to push the actual core of an issue, the rot that is late stage capitalism and right wing politics.

A blanket ban is at best a blunt solution that harms many and ends up rewarding many bad people who'll benefit filling it's who with their propaganda.

Would resetera get in trouble under these new rules for their antisemitic extremism?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-4?post=120205548#post-120205548

[Besticus Maximus]

I can guarantee that if tik tok gets banned there will be fewer incels asking for HRT

[kaleidoscopium]

Twitter has *already* failed to be in compliance with numerous EU standards for customer safety and disinformation. No one is talking about legislating them off of the app store. The energy being put towards this endeavor is the absolute terror of a communication space that is not owned by right-leaning American billionaires. I will never support soloing out ByteDance and I will call my rep and my Senator to tell them so.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-5?post=120212835#post-120212835

This retard realizes the topic is about legislation in the US, right? 

[nachobro]

Paying for self-checkout now?

This generation and their complete inability to deal with other humans has a lot to answer for...

eh, i got walmart+ for a couple months as a gamepass perk and its actually one of the better subscriptions if you go to walmart. free delivery, free return pickup, 10c off gas, and (sam's club has this too which makes it a million times better than costco) you can scan and pay on their app in store and not need to checkout at all.

[kaleidoscopium]

Paying for self-checkout now?

This generation and their complete inability to deal with other humans has a lot to answer for...

eh, i got walmart+ for a couple months as a gamepass perk and its actually one of the better subscriptions if you go to walmart. free delivery, free return pickup, 10c off gas, and (sam's club has this too which makes it a million times better than costco) you can scan and pay on their app in store and not need to checkout at all.

But you’d have to shop at Walmart 

[nachobro]

the grocery only one is a 2 min walk from the house so it was pretty useful. not useful enough to keep paying for it but nice for the trial period. also i have a sam's membership and that stuff is all better quality than great value brand so no need to give the waltons too much of my cash.

[kaleidoscopium]

Apparently the sweet baby inc detected steam page was told they are fine to continue. Weird after retardEra was just screaming how they had won  

[kaleidoscopium]

on a related note https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-for-some-helldivers-2-players-the-fascist-role-play-has-gone-too-far.825213/

When Wendy Wilson joined the official Discord, she asked if it'd be possible to have pride flag capes added to Helldivers 2. She told Polygon she's since been receiving messages telling her to "keep your shit out of our game," followed by slurs and harassment after she changed her profile picture to the trans flag in protest. After posting a long message in the official Helldivers 2 Discord detailing the events and asking for proper moderation, she was timed out for 24 hours, her message was deleted, and another swarm of people DMed her. "Disallowing discussion only causes lgbt members of the community to hide, while the bigots get to remain," read an excerpt from the deleted message.

This is something I've noticed as well. Some folks out there forget that the whole game is a parody. Arrowhead also needs to do better for marginalised groups on the Discord, pretty shitty attitude there.

Rainbow Six Siege added pride flag backgrounds and my friend has been getting teamkilled for years cause of that background. Trash shit people ruining games.

Why are people being dismissive of the official discord enabling bigotry?

I have no fucking idea but I hope Kyuuji can help explain to folks why they shouldn't be ignoring it and why it's completely ridiculous that the Discord Mods are enabling such inexcusable behavior

Like it's not hard. Add pride items to your game and tell any bigots to fuck off. If your moderation can't handle that, get new mods.

[Besticus Maximus]

Another game for Kyuuji to try and ruin for everyone else while playing it to death

Besides, Kyuuji already has representation in the game with the Bile Titan

[Snoopy]

Eden in shambles reading Kyuuji criticise his beloved Ubisoft. Who’s he going to support, the mad trans or the froggy rapists?

[Daffy Duck]

Why’s queen cunt been invoked to talk about the game?

[HaughtyFrank]

Like it's not hard. Add pride items to your game and tell any bigots to fuck off. If your moderation can't handle that, get new mods.

Who is forgetting now that the game is a parody when you want the facist empire to proudly stand with LGBT?

[Besticus Maximus]

Famously, no gays or cross dressers ever managed to get to a higher echelon than a senior minister of state in the german worker's national socialist party

[Averon]

Not surprised these people want to get their tendrils into HD2. They love to force/coerce popular shit to bend to their whims.

[Uncle]

the grocery only one is a 2 min walk from the house so it was pretty useful. not useful enough to keep paying for it but nice for the trial period. also i have a sam's membership and that stuff is all better quality than great value brand so no need to give the waltons too much of my cash.

but if you're taking a 2 minute walk there then you aren't taking advantage of the 10 cents off gas

[Jordi L'Engorge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-99?post=120173367#post-120173367

I long for the day that TERFs are seen the same way flat-earthers are.

and regarding the beliefs of these groups, whose views more closely represent reality?

Flatchesters

[malfoyking]

These people always win in the end. They'll add all those stupid flags for whichever new gender, sexuality or whatever the alphabet people come up with.

[Polident]

Not surprised these people want to get their tendrils into HD2. They love to force/coerce popular shit to bend to their whims.

What’s great is they dropped the weaselly subtext about making it inclusive or whatever. Flat out admitting they want to ruin something because normal people are happy and having fun. Spite and resentment, through and through

[Eric Cartman]

Like it's not hard. Add pride items to your game and tell any bigots to fuck off. If your moderation can't handle that, get new mods.

Who is forgetting now that the game is a parody when you want the facist empire to proudly stand with LGBT?

        accidentally based?
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[HaughtyFrank]

These people always win in the end. They'll add all those stupid flags for whichever new gender, sexuality or whatever the alphabet people come up with.

They love this tactic, like randomly asking celebrities on twitter if they'll say Trans rights. If they refuse or say something more general, because they don't want to get into this whole mess, they get stamped as transphobic. That's what happened to the former VA for Bayonetta

[AldusMoneyPenny]

These people always win in the end. They'll add all those stupid flags for whichever new gender, sexuality or whatever the alphabet people come up with.

They love this tactic, like randomly asking celebrities on twitter if they'll say Trans rights. If they refuse or say something more general, because they don't want to get into this whole mess, they get stamped as transphobic. That's what happened to the former VA for Bayonetta

"Celebrities"

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/polygon-for-some-helldivers-2-players-the-fascist-role-play-has-gone-too-far.825213/page-2?post=120218286#post-120218286

User Banned (duration pending admin approval): Dismissive commentary in a sensitive thread, multiple prior infractions for similar behavior

Polygon are terrible.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/congress-gearing-up-again-for-tiktok-ban.824916/page-5?post=120210048#post-120210048

User Banned (2 Weeks): Antagonizing Fellow Members; History of Hostilty

This isn't about "National Security".

It's just plain old US Imperialism.

The US government is doing every protectionist policy they can because their global hegemony is declining.

Why else have they been pressuring their "allies" to not sell semiconductor technologies to China in the name of "national security"?

If you don't think this is about US Imperialism, then why aren't the same concerns about Tiktok being used against their own US-based tech companies?

You guys are aware that even though the US loves to push "free trade" and "free markets", their actions clearly speak against this idealism.

The fact they want Bytedance to sell off Tiktok to America is even more blatant about what this is about.

You know what the US neoliberals dislike so much about China? That they can't do privatisation of any utilities or infrastructure there.

Meanwhile, if a foreign country wants to acquire a big US tech company. You think the US government is going to let that happen in the name of the free market?

imagine thinking that state owned companies in a non democratic country are actually good
fucking cretin, you and the other nodding morons