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[benji]

The Discord staff should just say they're getting doxxed and harassed.

[Potato]

These posts are between 9 and 2 minutes old in constructive. All three now have been permabanned for

User Banned (permanent): justifying harassment and doxxing of staff

Interesting the staff response continues to be to ignore the anti-semitism. While mischaracterizing the situation and doing everything possible to deflect.

Doxxing has a specific definition and requires the inclusion of personal information. Someone finding a public twitter account where extreme anti-semitism was being posted while an admin on a site where anti-Semitic action isn't treated that seriously is a major issue. No specific admins have even been confirmed let alone anything close to personally identifiable information. Staff's actions at least do confirm the posts in question was and is a current staff member. Posts specifically about Jews needing to leave Israel and/or cede control of Israel to others.

It is predictable, but disappointing. And again, can't forget that the very same off-site investigation is being used by staff to hunt down members as staff used to justify banning members who never posted anything from any place other than public twitter links.

Edit: I just wish the same zeal was used in stamping out anti-semitism on this forum.

An appropriate response is needed fast. This is only making the moderators look worse and worse

Yeah ignoring the antisemitism and valid criticism paired with a reaction that doesn't exactly look good from the outside is frustrating.

Holy shit and this morning I thought the tempo was slowing and things were dying down. Keep it up, staff. You're doing great.

A member of my staff's home was posted on a harassment site and your discord refuses to even try and clean house. To get rid of the most toxic shitlords who are driving this. Instead of that you sit there and justify doxxing and personal threats.

There's a response written up, policy changes all ready to go, fucking fault being admitted and apologies written. But instead now we have to deal with doxxing and targeted harassment.

Is this the discord getting clipped for the picture posted here?

Keep posting Benji. The dumb fuck thinks you're part of the discord. Never in my life have I seen such confidence in such incompetence.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

ResetEra: My youtube homepage is filled with alt-right chuds.


My youtube homepage:

Maybe they should stop revolving their lives around silly red and blue politics and instead accept the Akb48 Idol Pill.

[kaleidoscopium]

Remember when they said discord wouldn’t be moderated by retardEra staff as that was off site?

[nobody of note]

The toxic element post got a bit of a reaction:

Can you clarify what you mean by the toxic parts? I legit joined the discord like a week ago and this seems really nebulous.

Will the toxic members of staff also go?

Probably the parts that literally took part in doxxing a staff member and those who supported it.

Some of those suggestions are good, but it depends a lot on how it is implemented.

I had a whole big thing I was going to say, but it would probably end with me getting permed too so I won't post it except to say that I think the justifications for some of these bans, especially the ones in this thread seeking some kind of answer to some very disturbing allegations is wrong. I think maybe staff shouldn't be perming people when they are obviously very emotionally upset.

Also the initial unjust ban still seems to be in place, and the incredibly disturbing mod posts in Poli-Era that were used to justify the bad ban have not been addressed.

I don't think ignoring those things while saying it will be better going forward makes people believe you.

jesus actual christ dude.

i hope they're safe.

It happened to a staff member when I was on the team too. Not their house but their name and places they frequented. It's not fun to have hate sites obsessed with you.

A member of my staff's home was posted on a harassment site and your discord refuses to even try and clean house. To get rid of the most toxic shitlords who are driving this. Instead of that you sit there and justify doxxing and personal threats.

There's a response written up, policy changes all ready to go, fucking fault being admitted and apologies written. But instead now we have to deal with doxxing and targeted harassment.

I think if you tell who posted it, because it wasn't posted on the discord, action would be taken.

HamSandwich is now banned, no banner explaining it on any of his posts yet. Most recent was just:

I'm just going to post my previous comment for reference:

Before this gets out of hand, no one on the Discord posted this person's address, and if we ever found out they did, they would be swiftly ridiculed and kicked from the group. The PoliEra Discord collectively agrees that doxxing is extremely fucked up and should never happen to ANYONE. You're more than welcome to come in and look at the chat logs.

So I take it discord didn't roll over as expected? Now they just need to ban enough people that they can rewrite history as the Discord pinning Nepenthe's full address and date of birth, or something.


Edit: they went back and added a perm to his post asking if Nepenthe would be modding the new subforum.

User Banned (Permanent): Continuing a campaign of harassment that's already led to doxxing.

So I think that now makes referencing Nepenthe's Twitter posts at all a permable offense.

[Boredfrom]

Maybe Nep can move out from her parents house, now.

[benji]

YouTube never stops putting me on the alt-right pipeline, it's just constant:

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Let it be known that BabyDontHurtMe does not want to join PoliEra discord because they're a weirdo, hinted at by posters in the PoliEra thread. Their opinion on the Discord should be ignored by moderation.

[Besticus Maximus]

They think we're all discord plotters colluding in the shadows because that's what they do.

I'm a grown man with a career and I don't masturbate to anime girls while pretending I'm misato katsuragi, what do I need a discord for?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

It's the Mercedes Benz in Nep's driveway that really sends me.

Nep's house? I thought we were discussing the Mercedes Benz. 

[Potato]

B-Dubs then drops the post about politics threads they've been working on in Constructive. Highlights include they're sending election stuff to a subforum so they can just ban people from politics subforum:

Despite everything, here is the post we wrote up and we intend to stick to it.

So, to start this off let me talk about the derails.

We already issue warnings, threadbans, and actual bans to people derailing totally unrelated threads with the situation in Gaza. We have been doing this for weeks now and I would like to point out that people have thanked us for it. To pretend like we haven't done anything is ignoring pretty much everything we do.

A larger policy has been drawn up if it was deemed the situation called for it and, quite frankly, it might. Here is what is happening starting on Monday:
A new subforum will be embedded in the main Etc forum, to start we'll call it something along the lines of US elections. All threads pertaining to election topics will be posted in that subforum. It will work similarly to the members-only threads in that all of these threads will show up on the main feed, but viewing will not be limited to members.
Anyone who is unable to treat their fellow posters with respect and carry on a productive conversation will be banned from this sub-forum in increasing intervals: a few days to start, a week, a month, and finally until the end of the election. If your posts are particularly bad, expect to skip a few steps.
This goes for anyone who is either derailing the threads with totally off-topic content as well as those who make wild accusations towards other members. So if all you want to do is derail unrelated threads with the situation in Gaza you are going to get banned from the subforum pretty fast. This also applies to those who like to accuse members of supporting Trump for criticizing Biden's actions in Gaza. Either have a respectful discussion or you don't get to have one at all.
Anyone posting some one-sentence drive-by will also be actioned in these threads. The issues at play are largely important to people's lives both in the US and across the world. While we understand that people might be angry or excited, there's far too many drive-bys from people not even looking to actively engage. That ends.
If you post a thread and your framing is either intentionally inflammatory or does not actually match up with the content of the OP you will be actioned. People think they can troll by being the first to make a thread? Nope, not going to happen. If you think you can get around a ban to the sub-forum by making a thread in the main forum, you will eat a ban.
These threads will also be tagged with a "Politics" prefix to help indicate where these rules will apply. While the prefix may not be applied immediately, the rules will still apply. Don't think no prefix means free reign to shitpost and troll.
The reason we haven't rolled these out quite yet is because they are fairly big changes to how things go and if the issue could be resolved the normal way that would be preferred. That has largely worked, however there are a few posters who don't seem to be getting the picture so here we are.

I also want to note, none of this means we will not be allowing people to criticize Biden in threads where Gaza is discussed or an issue. When he talks about his plans, when he answers questions about it, when it comes up in the event or article as a topic, members are free to criticize him for what he has done. We are not here to protect Joe Biden from criticism, if that is what you want then sorry it say it isn't happening. We will keep the threads on topic and make sure actual discussion can take place, but I must repeat because a lot of people don't seem to get this: we are not here to protect Joe Biden from criticism.


Moving on to people worried about antisemitism.

If you have seen literally any of my posts in the Gaza thread you know full well that we are not ok with bigotry in any form regardless of the situation. Here is the sort of stuff we have actively been banning people for:
Randomly accusing Jewish people of being Zionists in drive-by post.
Banning people who take part in the "Jews control the media" conspiracies
Banning people who dismiss antisemitic conspiracy theories
Banning people who make bullshit reports targeting Jewish members
Banning people who accuse other members of supporting genocide
That's just the last week by the way.

I need to be real, this shit is exhausting for all of us but especially for our Jewish mods. As a result, it might take us a bit to get to a ban. Maybe there aren't enough people around at that exact moment, maybe someone is taking some time off for their mental health, maybe someone is just tired and needs a bit to really think something over. We're going to make mistakes, we're going to miss stuff, we're occasionally going to need someone to point out the obvious due to pure fatigue.

For all those who used to be staff members, you all know full well how incredibly draining this topic is in general. In the past when it's come up, whatever situation was going on generally resolved or at least calmed down within a few weeks. We are currently on month six of this one. I, personally, have had a few different breakdowns trying to keep up with all of this. It's a lot harder emotionally than a lot of people think it is. We're trying our best and I get that it's not always up to our usual standard and I'm sorry for that, but you need to give us a little bit of leeway here.

Seriously, we have run ourselves ragged trying to keep on to of everything and people not reporting posts really doesn't help things at all. We can't be everywhere and see everything.

One area we know we've missed the mark previously was at the intersection of anticolonialist rhetoric and Israel specific discussion. While it would be wonderful if the state of Israel was not run by a gang of right wing authoritarian thugs, calling for its annihilation is tantamount to calling for the removal of Jewish people from the region. There's juet not another realistic outcome. Saying that it was a mistake to put it there is one thing, saying it shouldn't be in the form that it is is fine. We all think Israel should be better than the reality. But saying it shouldn't exist will be treated as a call for ethnic cleansing going forwards, because that's the inescapable consequence of rendering millions of people stateless, and will be actioned accordingly. Especially egregious examples of people doing this on the site may be actioned as well, or will at bare minimum be noted for reference on future bans.

The reason this turned into a problem stems from the very fact we try and allow the oppressed and marginalized space to speak their truths. The problem here is that antisemitism is incredibly pervasive in our society, especially in the last few months, and infests pretty much every corner of it. So when someone is talking anticolonialist theory, for example, the inherent bias can sneak through and infect their points. This can turn a tool meant to fight for the rights of the oppressed into a tool spreading bigotry. This got overlooked because members of staff looked at the post in question through that ideological lens instead giving it a plain reading and issuing the ban that should have been issued from the start.

In order to address this, staff will review the various forms that antisemitism can take, on both the right and the left, so that this doesn't happen again. In addition, we are going to start coming down on random drive-bys in sensitive threads. These issues generally pop up when people get too heated and don't think enough about their language and so by hitting inflamed drive-bys we can avoid the situation in it's entirety and bump the level of discussion in said threads. Essentially, if you want to post in a sensitive thread you will need to come with more than "fuck x" if you want to avoid getting hit. In order to help facilitate this we will be setting a minimum word count in sensitive threads somewhere between 20 and 50. This will, at the very least, force people to post complete thoughts and engage with each other and the topic in a more thoughtful way. We will also look at further adjustments depending on how these work and the needs of the community.


Anyone pretending we don't care about the victims of the October 7th attack have not paid any attention to how we have moderated the Gaza thread and outright banned dismissal or justification of the attacks. The number of bans and threadbans in that thread eclipses any other we have ever had on this site. The level of scrutiny any post about the October 7th attack, or the subsequent bombing of the people of Gaza, is unheard of for us. In moderating these threads we have been accused of not caring about the people of Palestine for not letting people express their anger the way they felt entitled to because it could, or did, stray into antisemitism. Anyone denying or justifying what these people went through has been banned permanently.

Anyone trying to whitewash the sexual assault or rape of these people get permanent bans on sight.

Here's the thing: we aren't going to stop people from criticizing Biden, Netanyahu, or the IDF in threads where it is relevant. We won't let them be bigots when they do it. We won't let them whitewash Hamas when they do it. We won't let them accuse other members of supporting genocide when they do it. We won't let them derail threads to do it. But that doesn't mean we are going to stop them from criticizing these people in threads about the crisis so long as this horrific situation continues.

Shitshow's run just got extended.

BDumbs, no one is going to read all that you literal retard.

Just ban nep, plagiarize and all the trans lunatics and your forum will be fine. Keep going like this and we'll be here eating popcorn watching you tie yourself into knots to defend an anti-Semite and a rape apologist...not to mention all the trans paedos.

[benji]

@thegingerbreadman1043
2 years ago
Apparently this was a freestyle, much more impressive when you realize it’s all off the dome. He really knows his monsters

@LILGHETTI
1 year ago
Kanye: the song is called monster
Jay z: say no mo

@MrBazzdoc
1 year ago
Having the genius to rhyme skellytan with pumpkin man is what makes Jay-Z a legend. It's unbelievable to think this was a freestyle. Straight off the dome. Wow!

@jvictor3048
2 years ago
"10/10" - Pitchfork

[TylenolJones]

Collective punishment against a community unless they ban folks accused of a crime without being able to see any evidence or have any debate. 

Looks like Resetera staff has become what they hate most.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

ResetEra: My youtube homepage is filled with alt-right chuds.


My youtube homepage:

[Lonewulfeus]

One area we know we've missed the mark previously was at the intersection of anticolonialist rhetoric and Israel specific discussion.

Bitch, name one area where you did hit the mark.

[benji]

Now I'm just watching these:

[HardcoreRetro]

This is my favourite video from my homepage.

[Potato]

Anyone trying to whitewash the sexual assault or rape of these people get permanent bans on sight.

plagiarize?

Anyone trying to whitewash the sexual assault or rape of these people get permanent bans on sight.

So plagiarize is gone?

Where's Malik's perma ban?

You see, that was different, that was all before we changed the rules to make that stuff "the worst thing you can say" and worthy of a permanent ban. 

Nep, plag and Malik were innocent because they just simply didn't know that you couldn't call for ethnic cleansing, be a rape apologist or condone genocide of the very people who suffered one of the worst genocides in human history. You see, that stuff wasn't written down in the rules a few days ago.

It's really important that we have all these rules written down NOW because we wouldn't EVER summarily execute permanently ban users for breaking unwritten rules.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Just when I thought Vice ending was the sob story of 2024.. B-dub's March 10th purge against PoliEra tops it.

[Potato]

In order to address this, staff will review the various forms that antisemitism can take, on both the right and the left, so that this doesn't happen again.

Essentially, if you want to post in a sensitive thread you will need to come with more than "fuck x" if you want to avoid getting hit. In order to help facilitate this we will be setting a minimum word count in sensitive threads somewhere between 20 and 50.

Are they actually going to tag threads with "Sensitive"?

The cops are going to investigate their own crimes again.

In fact, I guarantee that the actual cops who committed the crimes will be the first names on the team sheet for this investigation.

Absolutely guaranteed that a finding of "no charge to answer" is the result. However, no details is the investigation will ever be published and the users will just have to trust them that all avenues of investigation were taken to come to the answer that, in fact, the users were to blame for the anti-Semitism.

[HardcoreRetro]

@Why_so_salty
2 jaar geleden
When the Bible kills off your favorite character, then brings him back

[benji]

In order to address this, staff will review the various forms that antisemitism can take, on both the right and the left, so that this doesn't happen again.

The cops are going to investigate their own crimes again.

In fact, I guarantee that the actual cops who committed the crimes will be the first names on the team sheet for this investigation.

Absolutely guaranteed that a finding of "no charge to answer" is the result. However, no details is the investigation will ever be published and the users will just have to trust them that all avenues of investigation were taken to come to the answer that, in fact, the users were to blame for the anti-Semitism.

Actually, what I think that's saying is that all the staff are going to read a bunch of articles about ways to spot antisemitism. From like the ADL or SPLC or something.

[kaleidoscopium]

I am watching this video, it might serve Nepenthe and Slayven well if this site truly goes under.

[Lonewulfeus]

Mod homework

Ever give Bork any homework assignments?

[Besticus Maximus]

The cops are going to investigate their own crimes again.

In fact, I guarantee that the actual cops who committed the crimes will be the first names on the team sheet for this investigation.

Absolutely guaranteed that a finding of "no charge to answer" is the result. However, no details is the investigation will ever be published and the users will just have to trust them that all avenues of investigation were taken to come to the answer that, in fact, the users were to blame for the anti-Semitism.

Actually, what I think that's saying is that all the staff are going to read a bunch of articles about ways to spot antisemitism. From like the ADL or SPLC or something.

More like from Al Jazeera and electronic intifada

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I am watching this video, it might serve Nepenthe and Slayven well if this site truly goes under.

Are you in my youtube feed. 

[kaleidoscopium]

I am watching this video, it might serve Nepenthe and Slayven well if this site truly goes under.

Are you in my youtube feed. 

Hello, Head Friend.

 

[Potato]

Leader is all powerful and all knowing.

But also, Leader is blameless for mistakes and didn't know that calling for the ethnic cleansing of jews was a bad no no

Is it really a bad no no if Nepenthe said it off site rather than on Resetera where only the true truth is spoken? 

Nep was just advocating a little ethnic cleansing of the Jews, it's not like she was genociding the trans people who are literally being murdered and raped every day in upper middle class white suburbs.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/muslim-era-islam-era-ot-codifying-our-creed.49737/page-6?post=120302979#post-120302979

As Ramadan begins let us remember the unjust ban of Rustynails and the running off of MuslimEra by moderators.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Why stop at PoliEra? I personally think B-Dubs should ban all the Canadians until I'm brought to justice.