Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[killamajig]

The other thing I don't understand is why LGBT people support Hamas over Israel.?.? I know this makes me sound Islamaphobic but isn't Israel more pro LGBT than any Muslim country? Educate me if I'm wrong. Maybe there's some trans caliphate I don't know about.

[benji]

Can you imagine if sexual assaults were rampantly perpetuated by random IDF soldiers or guards against prisoners, and someone chimed in and said "ayykkkkshully, when you said the idf was committing sexual assault, you didn't understand what was really going on.  Those assaults are random - they're not systemic because there's no top-down organized authority commanding that behavior.  In fact, the real problem here is you saying Israel is committing these crimes when it's in fact, an small element inside of Israel.  And even though we're talking about Israel, I'll just assume you mean Jews are doing it, and as you know, antisemitism is a huge problem."     These people are such egregious liars and scoundrels.

We know their typical response to this, and one person actually attempted it in the PoliEra thread before backing off but you can see it pretty clearly on "Left" Twitter. That there are confirmed rapes by IDF soldiers.

Which seems to me like saying their actual objection is the accusation of Hamas committing rapes and sexual abuse in general, not this quibble about "sex slavery" or arguing that it's not "systemic" because nobody has a memo from the chief of Hamas.

Also, the systemic complaint is hard not to read as "well, some members of Hamas aren't doing any raping!" #NotAllHamas #NotAllMuslims

[Genocide Joe]

nepenthe literally posted on era "my art is included in a gallery on Sonic and the Black Knight for Wii" 

and you search for this and there's a youtube video showing the whole gallery with everyone's actual name

why did you post that

why did you feel compelled to let everyone know this

Translation:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Me. Meeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MEMEMEMEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MEEEEE YOU WHORE. MEEEEEEEE

[PogiJones]

Doxing is almost always sharing publicly available information. Doxing has never usually been an act of stealing secure info; doxing is essentially an act of consolidation and distribution. Saying "it's publicly available info" isn't a defense against an accusation of doxing, since the accusation isn't implying the info was classified. It's an act of lubricating the path between haters and someone's IRL life. Posting nep's house (if the address isn't obscured; I haven't seen the pic posted) and real name to a group of people that hate nep easily falls under most people's definition of doxing.

What is NOT doxing is posting terrible things Nep said on twitter after men, women, and children were brutally murdered.

[Propagandhim]

The other thing I don't understand is why LGBT people support Hamas over Israel.?.? I know this makes me sound Islamaphobic but isn't Israel more pro LGBT than any Muslim country? Educate me if I'm wrong. Maybe there's some trans caliphate I don't know about.

You can justify anything with the intersectional philosophy that emphasizes solidarity among marginalized groups and the belief that Western imperialism and meddling has negatively impacted Muslim-majority countries and fueled anti-LGBTQ sentiment there, so the West shares culpability.  Both of which assumes that Muslim people are a monolithic homunculi entity without agency and the ability to have any insight into their own behavior to shape their future independent of what's being put on them.  Anything is possible now.  But forget that for a moment because in order to displace an entire ethnic group away from the rightful owners of land, the rightful owners have to be able to demonstrate unimpeded self-governance, right?  Actually, no they don't!

[nachobro]

What is NOT doxing is posting terrible things Nep said on twitter after men, women, and children were brutally murdered.

or reposting noted jew hater nepenthe aka lauren anderson's posts on the resetera forum (where they are an admin) about the collective nation of jewish people being responsible for genocide

[Genocide Joe]

The other thing I don't understand is why LGBT people support Hamas over Israel.?.? I know this makes me sound Islamaphobic but isn't Israel more pro LGBT than any Muslim country? Educate me if I'm wrong. Maybe there's some trans caliphate I don't know about.

America = Bad
America supports Israel = Israel = Bad
Which mean Palestine = Good
Because Israel = Bad

Are you even asking this question in good faith?

[Propagandhim]

Doxing is almost always sharing publicly available information. Doxing has never usually been an act of stealing secure info; doxing is essentially an act of consolidation and distribution. Saying "it's publicly available info" isn't a defense against an accusation of doxing, since the accusation isn't implying the info was classified. It's an act of lubricating the path between haters and someone's IRL life. Posting nep's house (if the address isn't obscured; I haven't seen the pic posted) and real name to a group of people that hate nep easily falls under most people's definition of doxing.

What is NOT doxing is posting terrible things Nep said on twitter after men, women, and children were brutally murdered.

Then, as it was mentioned earlier - she's doxing herself.  She's easily the number one person who's lubricated the path between the haters and her own life.  In more ways than one.

[TylenolJones]

Having ignored the repeated requests for explicit criteria the discord must meet to appease the staff (I assume because it's 'ban Brady for making a joke' but who knows), B-Dubs does feel compelled to post this zinger:

Political discussion is all but halted now because of mistakes and the inability to admit and own up to them.

Yes it is. We're waiting.

I have no idea who actually runs that Discord but I hope they keep him waiting forever.

I’m amazed he actually thinks this plan is going to work, instead of just resulting in all the discord members hating him and all the non discord members hating him. 

He’ll only regret this when he has to keep making threads for every news story he sees on CNN.

[nachobro]

it will work, because his goal is to get those people to leave. he only wants the ones that are too dumb to question him around.

[JoeBoy101]

So how long before Dubs closes the Anti-Sexual Violence-Pro Sexual Slavery Containment Thread due to the peasants not turning over traitors and ensuring no more disobedience from an off-Era site?

[benji]

Doxing is almost always sharing publicly available information. Doxing has never usually been an act of stealing secure info; doxing is essentially an act of consolidation and distribution. Saying "it's publicly available info" isn't a defense against an accusation of doxing, since the accusation isn't implying the info was classified. It's an act of lubricating the path between haters and someone's IRL life. Posting nep's house (if the address isn't obscured; I haven't seen the pic posted) and real name to a group of people that hate nep easily falls under most people's definition of doxing.

What is NOT doxing is posting terrible things Nep said on twitter after men, women, and children were brutally murdered.

BUT even assuming I accept this it's not what's happening here. It's one thing for "doxing" if the person maintains a pseudonymous persona everywhere and it's another that they're demanding Nepenthe be given a protective bubble that constrains any information about her to only that which the users can have learned from her posts. This is not a standard to which that forum holds anyone else except the staff members. The "doxing" that B-Dubs is attacking is the information connecting that Twitter account to Nepenthe.

He didn't mention the house until he had already removed posts, banned people for sharing what Nepenthe said and started making demands of the Discord. He's trying to use the posting of her house to make the tweets illegitimate information.

[PogiJones]

Doxing is almost always sharing publicly available information. Doxing has never usually been an act of stealing secure info; doxing is essentially an act of consolidation and distribution. Saying "it's publicly available info" isn't a defense against an accusation of doxing, since the accusation isn't implying the info was classified. It's an act of lubricating the path between haters and someone's IRL life. Posting nep's house (if the address isn't obscured; I haven't seen the pic posted) and real name to a group of people that hate nep easily falls under most people's definition of doxing.
What is NOT doxing is posting terrible things Nep said on twitter after men, women, and children were brutally murdered.

Then, as it was mentioned earlier - she's doxing herself.  She's easily the number one person who's lubricated the path between the haters and her own life.  In more ways than one.

Nep (like most people) has made it easier for doxers by connecting a lot of the dots for them, yes. Like leaving your car unlocked at night, it makes you dumb, but not the perpetrator. Let's be truthful about the actual reality. RE has enough spin to make one vomit, we don't need the opposite spin here IMO. B-dubs was lying through his teeth about the twitter posts being "doxing", and we'd be lying through our teeth to say an IRL name and house photo isn't doxing.

[PogiJones]

Doxing is almost always sharing publicly available information. Doxing has never usually been an act of stealing secure info; doxing is essentially an act of consolidation and distribution. Saying "it's publicly available info" isn't a defense against an accusation of doxing, since the accusation isn't implying the info was classified. It's an act of lubricating the path between haters and someone's IRL life. Posting nep's house (if the address isn't obscured; I haven't seen the pic posted) and real name to a group of people that hate nep easily falls under most people's definition of doxing.

What is NOT doxing is posting terrible things Nep said on twitter after men, women, and children were brutally murdered.

BUT even assuming I accept this it's not what's happening here. It's one thing for "doxing" if the person maintains a pseudonymous persona everywhere and it's another that they're demanding Nepenthe be given a protective bubble that constrains any information about her to only that which the users can have learned from her posts. This is not a standard to which that forum holds anyone else except the staff members. The "doxing" that B-Dubs is attacking is the information connecting that Twitter account to Nepenthe.

He didn't mention the house until he had already removed posts, banned people for sharing what Nepenthe said and started making demands of the Discord.

I 100% agree.

[benji]

What B-Dubs actually wants to do is say "benji is a banned source" but he can't say this for obvious reasons.

[PogiJones]

And he really should just come out and say it, I've lost all trust in benjisales.

[TylenolJones]

it will work, because his goal is to get those people to leave. he only wants the ones that are too dumb to question him around.

Well the new politics subforum is off to a bang so he might be right after all

[Uncle]

It's an act of lubricating the path between haters and someone's IRL life.

[Besticus Maximus]

'DISCORD. DELIVER UNTO ME THE BENJI'
'but benji don't post here m'lud. We don't got no benjis and wes never will'
'UNTIL I GET A BENJI DELETED FROM THIS DISCORD I WILL ALLOW NO POLITICS!'
*forum does nothing but post american liberal twitter politics until the end of time and Bdubs gets no benjis gotten*

[Boredfrom]

it will work, because his goal is to get those people to leave. he only wants the ones that are too dumb to question him around.

And then he will bitch about thread quality: 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/there-is-some-nasty-gonk-going-around-i-dont-know-if-it-is-a-nasty-cold-flu-or-a-milder-covid.825921/

[JoeBoy101]

A rule of being in charge of a child/children - for example, for someone who is a parent or teacher - is to never get into a situation where you escalate a punishment scenario and have your bluff called, as it means you have to go through with the punishment no matter how ill-conceived it is.

Well, welcome to the worst-case scenario.

[FEUER FREI.]

b-dumbs and staff keep on going on about toxicity and toxic users BUT THE FUCKING MOST TOXIC PERSON on that forum for YEARS is NEPNEP who is also a STAFF MEMBER

they find themselves in situation from years of not dealing with this

 

the bire have been calling this behaviour and nepnep out for years. for free. not even a single consulting fee. just grow a spine

[nobody of note]

Dubs' posturing in Constructive Is Not Going Over Well. It led to the dumbest suggestion I've seen yet:

It's not helpful if you're unwilling to explain what steps you think need to be taken in the PoliERA discord for them to gain reinstatement here. It would probably be better if resetera staff had some sort of say over what goes on there. Afterall, if they're claiming affiliation with the site, then they should follow site rules. Why not have a rule where any discord advertised on this site must have a member of resetera staff added as a server admin or, even cleaner, just turn server ownership over to resetera? If this rule were in place, then Nepenthe would have never been doxxed on the PoliERA discord. I can't see why there would be any objection to this rule, unless they had something they wanted to hide from the resetera staff? If any server doesn't like this rule, then they're free not to advertise or post here.

Seems like the simplest solution. That way, they don't have to take these unknown steps to meet your ambiguous criteria for reinstatement here. They either accept a member of staff, maybe Nepenthe, as a server admin and follow the resetera rules, or they can take their ball and go elsewhere.

And then just a bunch of people getting annoyed at Dubs and digging into the lack of logic.

Who is waiting on what? What do you even want? And what could possibly be given that would mean anything of substance? The community is not responsible for infractions on this site or against other users or mods. You have taken measures to remedy the situation with policy. What the hell are you waiting for?

I think it's even been asked already, but, respectfully, who are you waiting for? A couple of people who "know who they are" on some Discord server?


And again, while it in absolutely no way excuses whoever is responsible for the doxxing, I hope it's recognized that good will goes both ways. Personally, I do think that broader political moderation has been moving in a positive direction. I appreciate your past candor in discussions in this thread, some of the changes you've enacted have definitely been working, and the US politics "subforum" will hopefully improve things further. But at this point I think it should go without saying that there are plenty of people in the PoliEra crowd who are probably really frustrated with Era's moderation, to put it lightly, and I'm not sure what strongarming them is hoping to achieve.

Is the PoliEra community responsible for the Doxxing of members and mods? Is the PoliEra community responsible for the toxic discourse in OT?

So if I understand this.

1. PoliEra OT raised considerable concerns and issues over the course of the weekend about multiple actions taken by the leadership on this site that negatively impacted members of the community (and the forum at large).
2. A mod had personal information leaked somewhere.
3. The OT was locked because leadership assumed that the leak was because of the Discord.
4. The leak in turn was not from the Discord? There's still beef with leadership and the Discord though?
5. But the OT is still going to be locked because…an apology needs to be given for off-site drama?

With all due respect, I don't see how you can possibly control what people outside this site are doing. I get that the people in the discord being current/former members might be amenable to dialogue with you, and that you're willing to extend an olive branch to them, but withholding participation to a particular thread over their heads seems completely meaningless.
If they apologize, will you even buy it? Presumably any problematic people will have already been banned from here, they won't come back. What else do you want to happen that is reasonably within your control?
If they simply refuse your demands (I'm not even sure what those entail) what else can you do?

Agreed. I think if anything, if the discord is the issue, simply don't allow it to be posted anymore and perhaps have that community no longer brand itself as era adjacent.

Even though I disagree with the ban that kicked this off, perhaps the OT should be limited to political discussion and not litigation of bans so this doesn't keep occurring. I feel like members could meet the mods halfway in this regard so it isn't all on them.

It's absurd the notion that members unrelated to any of the inciting incidents would need to do anything in this case. The members that committed infractions have been dealt with by the mod team and that is as far as any of it should go. A forum cannot be run in an environment where an entire community can be at fault for the actions of certain individuals and even more concerning that these actions didn't even happen within the site itself. If politics are not allowed on this site then that is one thing but if they are then there should be a political OT for those that want to participate. It has nothing to do with any of this drama unless the staff wants it to be. It would be easy to come to a different conclusion if there weren't nebulous demands for an unknown group of people to do something that will most likely have no effect on the discourse on this site or the safety of its members. Even the "pretend" demands make no sense and don't make the sentiment of demanding them virtuous.

The incident occurred on Era in the PoliEra thread, by a user who was not in the Discord though. That user's post (which contained an at the time public Twitter account) was swiftly deleted and the user perma'd, so I'm not sure what any Era mod being in the PoliEra Discord would have resolved.

Because contrary to what the staff keep insisting, they aren't actually good at owning up to and learning from their mistakes.

They never owned up to a mod colluding with SocialismEra to engage in brigading - they just demoted the mod, no acknowledgment whatsoever. They never walked back any of the more egregious Tara Reade bans. They still only ever consider looking at bans on appeal, because to do otherwise would allow them to proactively admit fault. The whole sex slavery debacle is just another one to throw onto the pile.

He's going to completely undo the successful doxxing cover here; Era's commitment to shooting itself in the foot remains amazing.

[nachobro]

Simply rename the discord to "Not PoliERA" and then its no longer affiliated

[benji]

Dubs' posturing in Constructive Is Not Going Over Well. It led to the dumbest suggestion I've seen yet:

Why not have a rule where any discord advertised on this site must have a member of resetera staff added as a server admin or, even cleaner, just turn server ownership over to resetera? If this rule were in place, then Nepenthe would have never been doxxed on the PoliERA discord. I can't see why there would be any objection to this rule, unless they had something they wanted to hide from the resetera staff?

These guys won't just bootlick cops they'll willingly bootlick the Stasi.

[Nintex]

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Dubs' posturing in Constructive Is Not Going Over Well. It led to the dumbest suggestion I've seen yet:

Why not have a rule where any discord advertised on this site must have a member of resetera staff added as a server admin or, even cleaner, just turn server ownership over to resetera? If this rule were in place, then Nepenthe would have never been doxxed on the PoliERA discord. I can't see why there would be any objection to this rule, unless they had something they wanted to hide from the resetera staff?

These guys won't just bootlick cops they'll willingly bootlick the Stasi.

Maybe they should all send their hard drives to B-Dubs and have PlanetSmasher install them so he can do a thorough investigation

[Lonewulfeus]

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Dubs' posturing in Constructive Is Not Going Over Well. It led to the dumbest suggestion I've seen yet:

These guys won't just bootlick cops they'll willingly bootlick the Stasi.

Maybe they should all send their hard drives to B-Dubs and have PlanetSmasher install them so he can do a thorough investigation

Planetsmashers dad!

[benji]

How do we know they aren't posting somewhere else under a different username? I can't see why anyone would oppose this unless they had something to hide from resetera staff?

[benji]

Like maybe tweets about supporting ethnic cleansing.

[benji]

"[sarcastically] yeah I love Trump"

"Jews need to go back where they belong, anyone is justified in driving them out with force"