Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[TylenolJones]

It’s all benji’s fault tbh. 

If you just had a Resetera account like everyone else bdumbs could ban you and move on with his life. 

I am kinda surprised bdumbs hasn’t gone after Bork, Demi or Joe to try to stop benji. They wouldn’t be able to do anything, but it makes more sense to contact them instead of a random discord.

[benji]

It’s all benji’s fault tbh. 

If you just had a Resetera account like everyone else bdumbs could ban you and move on with his life. 

I literally couldn't, they promised besada they'd ban me before the forum even opened and said they banned a bunch of people thinking it was me.

[Eric Cartman]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT, how are the era mods still SO BAD AT THIS?
They literally manage to recede my expectations. every. single. time.

We banned Brady for falsely claiming the UN had found Hamas were using hostages as sex slaves. People against the ban argued that because the UN had found that hostages had been victims of other similar crimes while in captivity that this claim shouldn't be actionable.

I'm genuinely exhausted from seeing this reduced to a matter of 'semantics' and put entirely on my shoulders.

Your personal head canon definition of what something is or isn't and redefining terms so as to dispute those redefinitions rather than accepting the cited authority is the very definition of a semantics argument, you utterly comprehensive tool

Brady was responding to someone that had criticised actions of the IDF and his post contained a list of horrors that Hamas have committed. He didn't address anything in the post he was responding to. It didn't seem like a response in good faith and that it misattributed claims to the UN that we hadn't seen any news outlet report led to him getting a one month ban that was later reduced to a two week ban after more consideration.

They literally showed you the fucking news report you were unaware of when you dropped your "UN never said that tho" take, along with the UN definition of sexual slavery in relation to conflict proximate sexual assault you dumb gaslighting twunt

Before the ban duration was reduced, people were confused why Brady was banned so after checking it was okay with the team for me to do so, I volunteered to try to explain our issues with the post in good faith. My efforts to explain this were met with accusations of downplaying sexual assault, accusations of supporting Hamas and demands I be demodded and permanently banned from the site. Much worse, an effort began demanding one of the staff explain comments from months ago which grew in volume and tactics to where we are.

So first of all, Shutting The Fuck Up is a free action once per combat round, with a D6 save to CHR, and secondly:
THEY BROUGHT UP NEPENTHES PRIOR ANTI SEMETISM BECAUSE YOU STUPID FUCKS BRUSHED IT UNDER THE CARPET LAST TIME

If you weren't so fucking staggeringly incompetent at this, you wouldn't still have a bunch of pent up resentment (pententment?) that never got fucking addressed.
And guess what?
THEY'RE GONNA BRING YOU UP AGAIN NEXT TIME A MOD SHITS THE BED because of how fucking badly you're handling this right now

As I expressed early in that thread, I work in a jail and see sexual assault and sexual slavery as distinct crimes for good reason.

SO WHY THE EVER LOVING FUCK DID ***YOU*** WANT TO COMPARE US CORRECTIONAL FACILITY OFFICERS WITH FUCKING TERRORISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I was hoping at this point not to feel the need to keep defending myself against claims I know to be false but since I see people in this thread have been framing me in this same unkind light here, and seemingly successfully so, here you go.

[Nintex]

How is not asking Nintex to help you working out for you B-Dubs. Are you having a good time? 

[Eric Cartman]

It is funny nep went to the cops, cos by her own retarded beliefs theres an 80% chance of them shooting her on sight when they come to take a report

The fact she basically said "I can't breathe... I need to call the cops" is fucking

[benji]

I mean, I would have mocked the place anyway but when they literally said the amnesty for everyone banned from GAF didn't apply to me. Was I ever supposed to believe anything these guys said?

[benji]

Didn't it take less than a week before they started banning Bore people for Bore posts and only gave a temporary respite because Himu and others called it out that they had promised only to ban people for things said on the forum unlike GAF? (With amir0x like exceptions obviously.)

[BIONIC]

What was so terrible about GAF Benji?

Should I use illegal dark art means to figure it out?

[Eric Cartman]

hmm I see that's how they implemented this one but they have all sorts of shit if you just try URLs by number, and most of them don't seem linked anywhere on the site, unless they're all variations on that

I'm just gonna go number by number here and check every valid link

https://www.resetera.com/forums/announcements.2/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.3/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.5/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/gaming-forum.7/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/gaming-hangouts.8/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-forum.9/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-hangouts.10/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/the-vault.11/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/sales-threads.12/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/q-era.13/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.14/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/archives.15/ (logged in only, contains things like asian and black user summits)
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.17/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.19/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.20/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.21/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-invite-only.22/ (logged in only)
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-member-only.23/ (logged in only, contains BCC, mental health era, "sensitive threads")
https://www.resetera.com/forums/announcements-member-only.24/ (logged in only, constructive community discussion)
https://www.resetera.com/forums/gaming-forum-member-only.26/ (logged in only, sensitive gaming threads? "autism and gaming")
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.32/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.34/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/???.37/ "You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action."
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-non-public.40/ (logged in only, yet more sensitive threads, "the incel to trans pipeline")
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-hangouts-member-only.43/ (logged in only, no threads) 
https://www.resetera.com/forums/gaming-hangouts-member-only.46/ (logged in only, no threads) 
https://www.resetera.com/forums/etcetera-us-elections.48/
https://www.resetera.com/forums/sensitive-threads.51/

A bunch of those are gonna be standard forumy stuff, like initial test forum, mods forum, admins forum, epstein appreciation forum, containment forum where you need to move things out of sight but not delete them, enforced fun wacky counting as high as you can forum etc

[benji]

What was so terrible about GAF Benji?

Should I use illegal dark art means to figure it out?

GAF is the only place I've ever been banned from, and it was for dismissing and mocking stupid groupthink aka "trolling" and it was PoliGAF that was most angry about it.

And the GAF mods didn't totally agree, I had two bans reversed or shortened without me doing anything but mocking them on The Bore and some mod kept giving me positive tags.

[Nintex]

I wonder if the cucks will actually give up control over their Discords to B-Dubs just to get banned from their own channels and ResetEra a week later  

[Besticus Maximus]

https://voca.ro/1dwBfvnP9UjF

https://voca.ro/194WkjIOJDXs

IDF have intercepted negotiations between Bdubs and the discord

[nobody of note]

Someone tries to defend the mods because the filthy, filthy discord allowed a user to mention they were looking up Nepenthe:

There was a SS posted from a discord. In that screenshot a PoliEra member from this site said they "went to kiwifarms".
In that same screenshot the user says they landed there in their "search for nep".
Idk what discord it is, but as a lurker of all this if the user felt comfortable enough to say they searching for nep in that discord, that is a major issue.
I know another user posted that "the mod's info was never posted in the discord". That's cool, but was the discord ok with "searching for nep" and such behavior as well? If this is the same discord the ss is from, is that "searching for nep" member still a member of discord?

So with that, it seems discord is playing a big part of this from the staff's pov, especially if they feel like the discord is allowing such behavior to fester and grow.

Kyra having none of this shit:

Behavior on a discord should not be associated with any policy with how communities interact on resetera. You cannot blanket penalize people because they happen to belong to a discord where something happens that is tangentially related to something that happens here. The mod team is in charge of what happens here and they have tools to protect the users and themselves. Keeping a community out does not accomplish this in any way. It's vindictive behavior that is destructive and does not accomplish the goal it's set out to do. If anyone wanted to find anyone on this site they would not need to be a part of a discord to do it. And they could easily attempt to do so while being a part of any off-site communities. The condemnation of the poliera community on this site is arbitrary and unwarranted.

I don't associate myself with that server but I do agree with Kyra that this policy feels strangely punitive to the community at large (the vast majority were not part of the whole witch hunt that occurred). Why not just have a temporary OT made by a staff member without any Discord link and having new guidelines laid out?

I don't think this is creating the pressure campaign Dubs so badly wanted

[PogiJones]

Your personal head canon definition of what something is or isn't and redefining terms so as to dispute those redefinitions rather than accepting the cited authority is the very definition of a semantics argument, you utterly comprehensive tool 

Not under his definition of a semantics argument.

[benji]

Someone tries to defend the mods because the filthy, filthy discord allowed a user to mention they were looking up Nepenthe:

I know another user posted that "the mod's info was never posted in the discord". That's cool, but was the discord ok with "searching for nep" and such behavior as well? If this is the same discord the ss is from, is that "searching for nep" member still a member of discord?

Cancel culture does not exist.

[benji]

Your personal head canon definition of what something is or isn't and redefining terms so as to dispute those redefinitions rather than accepting the cited authority is the very definition of a semantics argument, you utterly comprehensive tool 

Not under his definition of a semantics argument.

Oh yeah, this is the stuff.

[Tycoon Padre]

Can't stop mentally reading that "on the contrary" in Raul Julia's voice, when he tells Sagat in the Street Fighter movie about the exchange rate of Bison dollars.

[nobody of note]

PoliEra discord has entered the thread:

I understand where the mods are coming from and sympathize in light of the doxxing that happened. There can be no tolerance for that sort of behavior.

But I do agree there needs to be some clarification on what's expected here. What sort of communication, if any, has taken place between mods and whoever's "in charge" of that discord, and a timeline for what happens next in the near future for the thread.

It's not fair for users who have nothing to do with the discord server to have the thread be set on hold pending action from a group of people they can't (or simply don't) communicate with. It makes more sense to ban the ones responsible for the doxxing and those who endorsed it and then enforce the guidelines, possibly ban the discord server if necessary (I really don't know anything about it to make a judgement on that). I'm not sure someone who has engaged in doxxing or endorsed such behavior will be willing to "clean house" to begin with tbh.

To be absolutely clear, the PoliEra user who shared doxxing information was NOT a member of our Discord. We unequivocally deny any connection between our community and attempts to dox or locate Era staff. Doxxing is unacceptable, and any member found engaging in this behavior will be immediately banned.

We have repeatedly requested proof from Era admins linking our Discord to these actions. The only evidence provided is a single, out-of-context message from an individual. This does not represent our community. The individual in question has been warned, apologized, and faces a permanent ban if necessary.

We cannot be held responsible for actions taken on other platforms. The continued closure of the PoliEra thread is unjustified in the absence of evidence implicating our community.

Here's a breakdown of what actually happened:
A user shared doxxing info on Era, sourced from an external site dedicated to stirring up trouble. This user was permanently banned from Era.
Era mods unfairly blamed our Discord for the dox, ignoring that the information originated elsewhere. This led to a series of bans and eventually the PoliEra thread being locked.
We've alerted Era admins to the true source of the doxxing, which did NOT come from our Discord.
Despite this, Era continues to unfairly blame and punish our community.
Going forward the Discord will no longer be linked on Era. Our community does not wish to be involved with any off-site drama or harassment.

Poliera is not a collective community for doxxing or cultivating toxic behavior. This is what's being insinuated by the staff. It's unacceptable.

Edit:

Dubs has weighed in and it really looks like he has fucking nothing:

So if I understand this.

1. PoliEra OT raised considerable concerns and issues over the course of the weekend about multiple actions taken by the leadership on this site that negatively impacted members of the community (and the forum at large).
2. A mod had personal information leaked somewhere.
3. The OT was locked because leadership assumed that the leak was because of the Discord.
4. The leak in turn was not from the Discord? There's still beef with leadership and the Discord though?
5. But the OT is still going to be locked because…an apology needs to be given for off-site drama?

You're leaving the part out where members of that community went to kiwifarms to dig up dirt and everyone else defended them. Also the bit where members of that community talked about trying to get someone arrested by the feds. Or how their actions directly led to said doxxing.

I'm going to be real, this is a five minute fix on their part.

To be absolutely clear, the PoliEra user who shared doxxing information was NOT a member of our Discord. We unequivocally deny any connection between our community and attempts to dox or locate Era staff. Doxxing is unacceptable, and any member found engaging in this behavior will be immediately banned.

We have repeatedly requested proof from Era admins linking our Discord to these actions. The only evidence provided is a single, out-of-context message from an individual. This does not represent our community. The individual in question has been warned, apologized, and faces a permanent ban if necessary.

We cannot be held responsible for actions taken on other platforms. The continued closure of the PoliEra thread is unjustified in the absence of evidence implicating our community.

Here's a breakdown of what actually happened:
A user shared doxxing info on Era, sourced from an external site dedicated to stirring up trouble. This user was permanently banned from Era.
Era mods unfairly blamed our Discord for the dox, ignoring that the information originated elsewhere. This led to a series of bans and eventually the PoliEra thread being locked.
We've alerted Era admins to the true source of the doxxing, which did NOT come from our Discord.
Despite this, Era continues to unfairly blame and punish our community.
Going forward the Discord will no longer be linked on Era. Our community does not wish to be involved with any off-site drama or harassment.

You discord in the last few days has done the following:
Gone to kiwifarms to gather "dirt" to use on people and has justified it
Engaged in harassment of members and staff members
Has had members talk about plots to get others in trouble with the FBI
Is trying to get us in trouble with the goddamn anti defamation league

At what point do you take responsibility for the kind of community you have fostered?

[Uncle]

https://voca.ro/1dwBfvnP9UjF

https://voca.ro/194WkjIOJDXs

IDF have intercepted negotiations between Bdubs and the discord

[benji]

@JonNoto
3 years ago
Let me make this factually clear and undeniable. Raul Julias performance is NOT "so bad it's good" it's "so great it's perfect."

Spoiler: from this related video (click to show)(click to hide)

[JoeBoy101]

A user shared doxxing info on Era

Slash, a mod’s public Twitter posts are NOT doxxing. And if the mods and others are pushing that idea, then ERA is one of the biggest doxxers out there.

[benji]

sourced from an external site dedicated to stirring up trouble

Well, I wouldn't put it that way exactly.

[JoeBoy101]

Oh this motherfucker is rich.

You discord in the last few days has done the following:
Gone to kiwifarms to gather "dirt" to use on people and has justified it
Engaged in harassment of members and staff members
Has had members talk about plots to get others in trouble with the FBI
Is trying to get us in trouble with the goddamn anti defamation league

At what point do you take responsibility for the kind of community you have fostered?

And to that last statement, when the Fuck, are you going to take responsibility for the, by your own previous statements, toxic community you fostered?

[Uncle]

A user shared doxxing info on Era, sourced from an external site dedicated to stirring up trouble 

fixed

[benji]

Oh this motherfucker is rich.

Is trying to get us in trouble with the goddamn anti defamation league

[Besticus Maximus]

If the five minute fix is so easy why don't you tell people what it is bdubs?

[nobody of note]

What's *fascinating* is that Dubs list of accusations no longer even features doxxing itself, and he's raging that the discord won't follow Era's shoot first ask questions never moderation policy.

This isn't going to help his site or his staff in the long run; it is, however, fantastic entertainment for external sites dedicated to stirring up and/or popcorning trouble.

[Nintex]

Is trying to get us in trouble with the goddamn anti defamation league

And why would that be, have you thought about that?

As the pre-cum drips on your chest and Lucio kept his tail tightly wrapped around your waist.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

A rule of being in charge of a child/children - for example, for someone who is a parent or teacher - is to never get into a situation where you escalate a punishment scenario and have your bluff called, as it means you have to go through with the punishment no matter how ill-conceived it is.

Well, welcome to the worst-case scenario.

I have actually thought myself that it was obvious that most of the mods were childless and have no irl experience of making and enforcing rules.

Edit:
Keep them simple, with clear lines, and enforce consistently.

[JoeBoy101]

Oh this motherfucker is rich.

Is trying to get us in trouble with the goddamn anti defamation league

If you didn’t have a raging anti-Semitic mod posting about Jews needing to leave Israel, you could laugh that off, couldn’t you?