Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[DavidCroquet]

Oh. I guess I should introduce myself. 

Name is Cheers… not revealing my era account just yet. Been lurking for a while now. 

This place seems to be the best place to point and laugh at era without feeling too grimey.

Hey, new fish. 

Give me some of your commissary and i'll make sure you're safe.

[DocWager]

Oh. I guess I should introduce myself. 

Name is Cheers… not revealing my era account just yet. Been lurking for a while now. 

This place seems to be the best place to point and laugh at era without feeling too grimey.

Oh hi… Redmercury

[Cheers]

Oh. I guess I should introduce myself. 

Name is Cheers… not revealing my era account just yet. Been lurking for a while now. 

This place seems to be the best place to point and laugh at era without feeling too grimey.

Hey, new fish. 

Give me some of your commissary and i'll make sure you're safe.

No. 

I’ve already been contributing to the like economy for some time now. The leave a carrot take a carrot shit should be working out for me any moment now.

[Uncle]

nepenthe never even thought about where that carrot's been

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-ot-calling-all-freeguners-game-being-shut-down-sep-6th-check-threadmarks.957465/page-69#post-128175513

Finally unlocked and read up on all the character backstories. The lore of this game in incredible. Although, I feel kinda repressed by the Guild having so much stupid power in the galaxy. There's probably something to the rumor that the Guild assisted the skimmers with weapons to overthrow the Salt Lord on Glance. They want control of every stupid thing. They want monopoly. Fuck them.

Did you guys also remember to unveil the secret entry in the galaxy guide by pinging? It's supposed to be to the left of Overkill where the two spacelanes meet but it doesn't work here.

[Boredfrom]

Era is now all in for Early Access:

I will probably get shit for saying this: Gaming Industry, stop your secrecy. This is a perfect example that could have saved you time working for nothing, burning money and jeopardize people livelihood.

Honestly I feel like sooner or later this has to happen. With how long it takes to develop a game nowadays, it just seems very unhealthy to keep your heads down for 5-6 years working on stuff while crossing your fingers that when it finally is ready, the market doesn't reject it.

I was saying this after playing Balder's Gate 3 and Starfield back to back. BG3 had player feedback for 2 years. One of the things players constantly mentioned was how the map was kinda shit. Well, they fixed it and no one mentioned it at launch because it was an issue 90% of players never knew existed. Meanwhile Starfield maps were criticized for months. If they just let people play it so many of its core problems could have been fixed. With 5-8 year dev times, early access is absolutely needed.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-sales-ceasing-immediately-offering-refunds-to-all-customers-the-game-will-be-taken-offline-beginning-sept-6th-check-staff-post.970872/page-79#post-128206137

I don’t have many negative opinions about Early Access games like many others do… but this is just ERA justifying bad leadership not be able to see how badly something was going to get received and how trends were changing.

[Nintex]

We are going to pretend that a console bombing is less disastrous than a MP console game sent to die?

I would be interested in seeing wii u vs xbox series x numbers

A quick wiki check says X/S combined is at 21+ million (as of July 2023)
WiiU is listed at Worldwide: 13.56 million (as of December 31, 2019)

According to the information revealed during the Activision merger case, the split is 75% - 25% in favor of Xbox Series S.

So Xbox Series X sold about 6 million units. If we're generous maybe 8 million.

[nachobro]

new guy

post hog

[Besticus Maximus]

I would be interested in seeing wii u vs xbox series x numbers

A quick wiki check says X/S combined is at 21+ million (as of July 2023)
WiiU is listed at Worldwide: 13.56 million (as of December 31, 2019)

According to the information revealed during the Activision merger case, the split is 75% - 25% in favor of Xbox Series S.

So Xbox Series X sold about 6 million units. If we're generous maybe 8 million.

[Nintex]

Oh. I guess I should introduce myself. 

Name is Cheers… not revealing my era account just yet. Been lurking for a while now. 

This place seems to be the best place to point and laugh at era without feeling too grimey.

[HaughtyFrank]

Era is now all in for Early Access:

I will probably get shit for saying this: Gaming Industry, stop your secrecy. This is a perfect example that could have saved you time working for nothing, burning money and jeopardize people livelihood.

Honestly I feel like sooner or later this has to happen. With how long it takes to develop a game nowadays, it just seems very unhealthy to keep your heads down for 5-6 years working on stuff while crossing your fingers that when it finally is ready, the market doesn't reject it.

I was saying this after playing Balder's Gate 3 and Starfield back to back. BG3 had player feedback for 2 years. One of the things players constantly mentioned was how the map was kinda shit. Well, they fixed it and no one mentioned it at launch because it was an issue 90% of players never knew existed. Meanwhile Starfield maps were criticized for months. If they just let people play it so many of its core problems could have been fixed. With 5-8 year dev times, early access is absolutely needed.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-sales-ceasing-immediately-offering-refunds-to-all-customers-the-game-will-be-taken-offline-beginning-sept-6th-check-staff-post.970872/page-79#post-128206137

I don’t have many negative opinions about Early Access games like many others do… but this is just ERA justifying bad leadership not be able to see how badly something was going to get received and how trends were changing.

The part they they seem to be missing is that indie devs usually do this because they don't have any other way to gather more feedback. By all accounts Sony should have plenty of resources to asses whether a game is worthwhile. From testers to focus groups to  even mock reviews written by actual journalists (ethics in games journalism anyone?)

Also I can't really think of MP shooters that started in early access. Launching a shooter with few maps, weapons, characters and have it be buggy on top seems like a different kind of death sentence

[Nintex]

No one cares about Corpo Slopcord from Soyny, least of all the people actually making it which is a very long list of people.

This is what happens with big 8 year projects all the time. There is just no passion to make anything good.
It sucks, they know, but they have a deadline and who is going to argue with the blue haired crazy character designer to not make everything gay again?

The testers are often not people working on the game, you'd be surprised how many developers actually never test or play the game they are making.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-television%E2%80%99s-agatha-all-along-revealed-disney-new-teaser.967491/page-2#post-127999137

It's kinda funny (and also sad) that "Teen" is technically double whitewashed in this since they cast an actor from neither ethnic background.

Lilia Calderu -- loopy older witch with divination powers

Aw fuck, you just reminded me they whitewashed yet another character!

0/5? 0/6? Now on representation.

Come the fuck on Marvel.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot43-juan-last-time.971316/page-22#post-128209476

We don't deserve Chris Dring. Pretty much the only person reporting on the industry that isn't constantly shitting out reactionary snark over everything.

Chris Dring: "There are two approaches to making money. 1. Doing something repeatable, consistent, and reliable to make some money each round over time. 2. Spending a huge amount of your existing income on the lottery until you win! Both are legitimate money-making approaches and should be pursued simultaneously."

Shemhazai: "Wow, we are so lucky that proven genius Chris Dring is here to bestow us with incisive commentary that cuts through the bullshit."

He's seriously calling Astrobot, a Sony first party game, a small game? 

God he's a fucking idiot.

[Boredfrom]

Era is now all in for Early Access:

I will probably get shit for saying this: Gaming Industry, stop your secrecy. This is a perfect example that could have saved you time working for nothing, burning money and jeopardize people livelihood.

Honestly I feel like sooner or later this has to happen. With how long it takes to develop a game nowadays, it just seems very unhealthy to keep your heads down for 5-6 years working on stuff while crossing your fingers that when it finally is ready, the market doesn't reject it.

I was saying this after playing Balder's Gate 3 and Starfield back to back. BG3 had player feedback for 2 years. One of the things players constantly mentioned was how the map was kinda shit. Well, they fixed it and no one mentioned it at launch because it was an issue 90% of players never knew existed. Meanwhile Starfield maps were criticized for months. If they just let people play it so many of its core problems could have been fixed. With 5-8 year dev times, early access is absolutely needed.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-sales-ceasing-immediately-offering-refunds-to-all-customers-the-game-will-be-taken-offline-beginning-sept-6th-check-staff-post.970872/page-79#post-128206137

I don’t have many negative opinions about Early Access games like many others do… but this is just ERA justifying bad leadership not be able to see how badly something was going to get received and how trends were changing.

The part they they seem to be missing is that indie devs usually do this because they don't have any other way to gather more feedback. By all accounts Sony should have plenty of resources to asses whether a game is worthwhile. From testers to focus groups to  even mock reviews written by actual journalists (ethics in games journalism anyone?)

Also I can't really think of MP shooters that started in early access. Launching a shooter with few maps, weapons and characters and have it be buggy on top seems like a different kind of death sentence

You can’t convince me this game wasn’t send to die, they just didn’t expect the Megabomba that they were going to get. I feel that everyone at Sony knew they had a failure to deal from past leadership.

Is laughable to entertain the notion that “no one knew” about how was gonna get received.

[Uncle]

No one cares about Corpo Slopcord from Soyny, least of all the people actually making it which is a very long list of people.

This is what happens with big 8 year projects all the time. There is just no passion to make anything good.
It sucks, they know, but they have a deadline and who is going to argue with the blue haired crazy character designer to not make everything gay again?

The testers are often not people working on the game, you'd be surprised how many developers actually never test or play the game they are making.

it's funny to think how the game began life when guardians of the galaxy was popular, and also overwatch wasn't free to play

and how basically they stuck with that one singular business plan for 8 years as if nothing changed

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-television%E2%80%99s-agatha-all-along-revealed-disney-new-teaser.967491/page-2#post-127999137

It's kinda funny (and also sad) that "Teen" is technically double whitewashed in this since they cast an actor from neither ethnic background.

Lilia Calderu -- loopy older witch with divination powers

Aw fuck, you just reminded me they whitewashed yet another character!

0/5? 0/6? Now on representation.

Come the fuck on Marvel.

Okay, lets look this up for a minute

When Wanda is discussing her life with a psychiatrist, she again confirms that Billy and Tommy are the reincarnated souls of her sons. However, seeing as they are already teenagers, Wanda does not know if they were normal kids before her sons' souls took over their bodies (effectively killing whoever they were before) or whether the spirits went back in time to be born and raised by different parents. When Wanda is discussing her life with a psychiatrist, she again confirms that Billy and Tommy are the reincarnated souls of her sons. However, seeing as they are already teenagers, Wanda does not know if they were normal kids before her sons' souls took over their bodies (effectively killing whoever they were before) or whether the spirits went back in time to be born and raised by different parents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_(character)#Parentage

So the characters ethnicity is filled with comic book bullshit. Why care so much

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot43-juan-last-time.971316/page-22#post-128209476

We don't deserve Chris Dring. Pretty much the only person reporting on the industry that isn't constantly shitting out reactionary snark over everything.

Chris Dring: "There are two approaches to making money. 1. Doing something repeatable, consistent, and reliable to make some money each round over time. 2. Spending a huge amount of your existing income on the lottery until you win! Both are legitimate money-making approaches and should be pursued simultaneously."

Shemhazai: "Wow, we are so lucky that proven genius Chris Dring is here to bestow us with incisive commentary that cuts through the bullshit."

He's seriously calling Astrobot, a Sony first party game, a small game? 

God he's a fucking idiot.

 

I mean, compared with GoW or Horizon, it is. There is a reason why Sony gutted their Japan Studio but let Team Asobi be. 

(A foolish decision in the long run, but Firewalk was a must buy  )

I mean, you don’t think that the Princess Peach game has the same budget as Mario Odyssey, don’t you?

[Boredfrom]

No one cares about Corpo Slopcord from Soyny, least of all the people actually making it which is a very long list of people.

This is what happens with big 8 year projects all the time. There is just no passion to make anything good.
It sucks, they know, but they have a deadline and who is going to argue with the blue haired crazy character designer to not make everything gay again?

The testers are often not people working on the game, you'd be surprised how many developers actually never test or play the game they are making.

it's funny to think how the game began life when guardians of the galaxy was popular, and also overwatch wasn't free to play

and how basically they stuck with that one singular business plan for 8 years as if nothing changed

I mean, even the critical acclaimed GotG game bombed hard. And even people pointed out that they were annoying by the out of context banter on the Ads.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-trump-were-not-weird-guys.972531/page-4#post-128206605

Fascists always envision themselves as the strong, lone voice of reason out to restore order to the world.

Nothing hurts them more than confronting the reality that they're weird, pathetic outcasts who can't function in normal society.

[Nintex]

I bet it didn't start like this but after COVID the GAAS/DEI craze took over, many projects were rebooted or got new leads and governments and banks were throwing money and 0 interest loans around like candy to corporations as long as they added in the right 'values' to build back better.

Now that the well of free money has run dry all this shit bombed and everyone is losing their jobs
 

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-trump-were-not-weird-guys.972531/page-4#post-128206605

Fascists always envision themselves as the strong, lone voice of reason out to restore order to the world.

Nothing hurts them more than confronting the reality that they're weird, pathetic outcasts who can't function in normal society.

Why is KamalaHQ posting such a fantastic clip of Trump

"We're other things perhaps, but we're not weird"

[Boredfrom]

Nintex is weird.

[DocWager]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-trump-were-not-weird-guys.972531/page-4#post-128206605

Fascists always envision themselves as the strong, lone voice of reason out to restore order to the world.

Nothing hurts them more than confronting the reality that they're weird, pathetic outcasts who can't function in normal society.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… Aren’t they out there chastising the “Normies”?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Red Kong XIX is a fucking idiot
https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-sales-ceasing-immediately-offering-refunds-to-all-customers-the-game-will-be-taken-offline-beginning-sept-6th-check-staff-post.970872/page-29#post-128108592
Red Kong XIX

Guess I missed the reality where the Wii U didn't massively tank the stock price of the entire company?


It's true that they could salvage a lot (and I mean a lot) from the Wii U failure. Doesn't change that this was objectively a bigger (probably still the not biggest) flop in videogame history compared to this. The company Nintendo as a whole struggled because of this console launch, while this Concord trainwreck wont impact Sony to that degree.

And I disagree that there will nothing come out of this. It's way to early too tell. Sony could learn that their live service initiate was too big and start to invest more into singleplayer games for example.

Aleh

The Wii U fail was big because it was heavy, the Concord fail is big because it is total, different flavors of failure

[Boredfrom]

When you are right too early people get mad at you.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/emmanuel-macron-refuses-to-appoint-a-left-pm-impeachment-proposed-update-right-wing-michel-barnier-appointed.963972/page-4#post-128236629

[Uncle]

No one cares about Corpo Slopcord from Soyny, least of all the people actually making it which is a very long list of people.

This is what happens with big 8 year projects all the time. There is just no passion to make anything good.
It sucks, they know, but they have a deadline and who is going to argue with the blue haired crazy character designer to not make everything gay again?

The testers are often not people working on the game, you'd be surprised how many developers actually never test or play the game they are making.

it's funny to think how the game began life when guardians of the galaxy was popular, and also overwatch wasn't free to play

and how basically they stuck with that one singular business plan for 8 years as if nothing changed

I mean, even the critical acclaimed GotG game bombed hard. And even people pointed out that they were annoying by the out of context banter on the Ads.

oh that's not an "I mean" thing, that's a yeah fuckin' exactly, as sony how can you watch that happen and not realize that your gotg knockoff might be in trouble, but still soldier on with the exact same business strategy you established 8 years ago

[Boredfrom]

Yeah, I don't know that it's useful in any way to blame centrist voters.

I don't believe centrist politicians are really distinguishable from the right in any meaningful way though.

 

That’s why people elect piece of shit retards like Trump or AMLO, they hate that condescension and cluelessness from the opposition whenever is the actual political spectrum.

But at least you guys can still surprise me and overcome this rather than crying loudly and doubling down in the idiocy.  

It's a bit funny to note that in the UK, this guy was considered the devil by the right wing press and politicians during the Brexit negotiations

“Almost like politics change and is not an eternal battle of good and evil.”

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-sales-ceasing-immediately-offering-refunds-to-all-customers-the-game-will-be-taken-offline-beginning-sept-6th-check-staff-post.970872/page-30#post-128108841

Wow also 29 pages wtf

People love the negativity and won't pass up an opportunity to dance on a grave.

It's a fucking video game ffs 

[Boredfrom]

Red Kong XIX is a fucking idiot
https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-sales-ceasing-immediately-offering-refunds-to-all-customers-the-game-will-be-taken-offline-beginning-sept-6th-check-staff-post.970872/page-29#post-128108592
Red Kong XIX

Guess I missed the reality where the Wii U didn't massively tank the stock price of the entire company?


It's true that they could salvage a lot (and I mean a lot) from the Wii U failure. Doesn't change that this was objectively a bigger (probably still the not biggest) flop in videogame history compared to this. The company Nintendo as a whole struggled because of this console launch, while this Concord trainwreck wont impact Sony to that degree.

And I disagree that there will nothing come out of this. It's way to early too tell. Sony could learn that their live service initiate was too big and start to invest more into singleplayer games for example.

Aleh

The Wii U fail was big because it was heavy, the Concord fail is big because it is total, different flavors of failure

 


So your agree that WiiU is currently a heavier failure.