Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Uncle]

Case dismissed =/= Innocent, his lawyer just put PR to spin cycle and started selling that as proof of innocence.

Innocent until proven guilty, that is the whole point of your legal system you dumb fuck.

being fair, what they meant was case dismissed =/= didn't actually do it in real life as opposed to what the court may believe

we are under no compulsion to behave a certain way or believe a certain thing based on the outcome of a court case

the question to be asked is, to what extent is it anyone's responsibility to try to decide guilt on their own and dole out punishment (i.e. nebulously not financially supporting someone)? if the court found that there was a lack of evidence, do you really feel so passionately that her-word-against-his means you have to plant a flag in your brain and forever encourage everyone within speaking distance to shun the man?

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Case dismissed =/= Innocent, his lawyer just put PR to spin cycle and started selling that as proof of innocence.

Innocent until proven guilty, that is the whole point of your legal system you dumb fuck.

being fair, what they meant was case dismissed =/= didn't actually do it in real life as opposed to what the court may believe

we are under no compulsion to behave a certain way or believe a certain thing based on the outcome of a court case

the question to be asked is, to what extent is it anyone's responsibility to try to decide guilt on their own and dole out punishment (i.e. nebulously not financially supporting someone)? if the court found that there was a lack of evidence, do you really feel so passionately that her-word-against-his means you have to plant a flag in your brain and forever encourage everyone within speaking distance to shun the man?

The problem is that he is shitting on his lawyer for having the gall to say his client is innocent when, in the strict legal sense, he totally is. 

Obviously that he is a creep, dunno if he is a domestic abuser, but saying “those damn lawyers doing their job” when we know next to nothing about the domestic abuse allegations to even form a opinion about that specifically.

[Boredfrom]

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I think the point about taking potential jobs away from people with dwarfism is very true tbh

Is there a fear from Disney about hiring actors with Dwarfism in these roles?

IIRC, Peter Dinklage responded to Disney about how hurtful it was to cast little people for these roles and so they changed it.

It should be noted that Dinklage has said that they are hurtful when they are the butt of the joke because their height or being small is being some sort of magical creature, not necessarily because they are dwarfs. His criticism is about type casting and othering dwarfs.

And obviously, not every single dwarf actor will probably agree with him. Some probably just want to work in any capacity.

In any case, this is mostly because Disney has not intention of making the Snow White’s dwarfs/hipsters anything beyond comic relief. If they bothered to give them more personality than “he is the angry one and he is the dumb one” they would probably get a pass or even make them memorable.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-associate-the-playstation-brand-with.747619/
entremetGPT

With Nintendo, it's Nintendo and Zelda for me. Sure there's stuff like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Metroid. But I think those initial two brandwise

With Sega, Sonic of course. I also kinda associate their arcade heritage since I enjoyed as a kid--Golden Axe, Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter, etc.

With Sony, I actually associate stuff they don't own themselves--Metal Gear Solid, 3D Final Fantasy (something still strong today FFVII Remake games, FF16, etc), Tekken, Resident Evil etc.

If I would to think of the properties they own, I guess God of War? But it the series I mentioned above stick more. I honestly think hardware more with the PlayStation brand. Some sexy stuff like the PSP and the design maximalism of the PS3. The PSVR2 also has that great PS brand feel to me as well. It looks amazing and futuristic.

Maybe thats because of I was a Sony (not PlayStation) fan before the PS1. I loved Walkman's/Discman's, VAIO computers, Trinitrons.

Also, this is not a partisan conjecture. I'm a fan of the PS brand. I'm just talking of what I think with the PS brand. And yes, the brand is still very strong. I'm talking identity.

[BIONIC]

Also, this is not a partisan conjecture. I'm a fan of the PS brand. I'm just talking of what I think with the PS brand. And yes, the brand is still very strong. I'm talking identity.

No actual human talks like this about kideo games

[Boredfrom]

Sorry for the necrobump. Had to do it again, Peter Santanello, he recently uploaded a video about Appalachia, he met a bunch of Trump supporters and he let their talking points go unopposed.

Did a bit of digging, he's also an antivaxxer. Immediately clicked don't recommend channel on his stuff.

The writing has been on wall for him for a while, unfortunately, and I know exactly which video you're talking about. He seems to try and frame his videos as just "letting people talk", but dude deliberately goes into what he knows is pure, unfiltered MAGA country and asks them deliberately provocative questions like "Are Biden's economic policies popular here?" or, “are Biden's border policies popular here? ".

He knows exactly what he's doing. Especially since, as you said, he never challenges anything these people say.

I mean really the red flags have been there, especially considering how he markets his channel a "showing parts of America you never see in the media". The thing is, the reason many of those parts of America are never seen in the media are because they're super fucking racist and homophobic. I remember at the height of COVID he went to a hugely popular beach in Florida that was absolutely packed with people proudly and defiantly not wearing masks and social distancing (himself included), and asked people "is COVID a serious problem?", and "how do you feel about Biden's mask policies?" etc. The answers were exactly what you'd expect.

It's a bummer because he does a lot of great stuff regarding bringing attention to Indian Reservations and the various problems they deal with a daily basis. As well as areas of the country that are legitimately impoverished and in desperate need of help. But this recent series on Appalachia is the last of his stuff I'll be watching.

Appalachia gets covered all the time because its a bunch of poor white people. There's always a documentarian or two crawling around there.

Doesn't mean I don't feel bad for the people but I also got no illusions that they've not helped themselves much either by electing Republicans and lily livered Dixiecrats.

Fucking weird perceptions they have about what is left and what is right. I have seen anti Vaxx leftists and half of RE curse Biden name. And of course people will be interested in poor white people given that the current social narrative with lefties is that there is not poor white people. 

And they also wonder why people elect republicans when you think that poor white people are dumb enough to be able help themselves by electing a democrat the lefties like.

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mortal-kombat-1-roster-speculation-discussion-thread.720616/page-30

Isn't Colin Moriarty and his content banned here?

Who is this? someone problematic? i can remove the video if needed. the video is just for reference.

He's the founder of the Sacred Symbols podcast but as far as I understand yeah he's a problematic individual, one of those "Boogie" style centrists but also with takes like this:

[Greatness Gone]

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-associate-the-playstation-brand-with.747619/
entremetGPT

With Nintendo, it's Nintendo and Zelda for me. Sure there's stuff like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Metroid. But I think those initial two brandwise

With Sega, Sonic of course. I also kinda associate their arcade heritage since I enjoyed as a kid--Golden Axe, Daytona USA, Virtua Fighter, etc.

With Sony, I actually associate stuff they don't own themselves--Metal Gear Solid, 3D Final Fantasy (something still strong today FFVII Remake games, FF16, etc), Tekken, Resident Evil etc.

If I would to think of the properties they own, I guess God of War? But it the series I mentioned above stick more. I honestly think hardware more with the PlayStation brand. Some sexy stuff like the PSP and the design maximalism of the PS3. The PSVR2 also has that great PS brand feel to me as well. It looks amazing and futuristic.

Maybe thats because of I was a Sony (not PlayStation) fan before the PS1. I loved Walkman's/Discman's, VAIO computers, Trinitrons.

Also, this is not a partisan conjecture. I'm a fan of the PS brand. I'm just talking of what I think with the PS brand. And yes, the brand is still very strong. I'm talking identity.

I really want to know what Entremet/PlanetSmasher/Slayven do for a living that allows them to post on ree 24/7.

[HaughtyFrank]

Such a normal thread to make. What's next?

"On a scale of 1-10, how likely are you to recommend Playstation© to a friend?"

[Daft Hand]

Such a normal thread to make. What's next?

"On a scale of 1-10, how likely are you to recommend Playstation© to a friend?"

Hello fellow consumers, which Sony© PlayStation© products are you most excited to purchase?

[AldusMoneyPenny]

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I think the point about taking potential jobs away from people with dwarfism is very true tbh

Is there a fear from Disney about hiring actors with Dwarfism in these roles?

IIRC, Peter Dinklage responded to Disney about how hurtful it was to cast little people for these roles and so they changed it.

It should be noted that Dinklage has said that they are hurtful when they are the butt of the joke because their height or being small is being some sort of magical creature, not necessarily because they are dwarfs. His criticism is about type casting and othering dwarfs.

And obviously, not every single dwarf actor will probably agree with him. Some probably just want to work in any capacity.

In any case, this is mostly because Disney has not intention of making the Snow White’s dwarfs/hipsters anything beyond comic relief. If they bothered to give them more personality than “he is the angry one and he is the dumb one” they would probably get a pass or even make them memorable.

Doing the right thing and completely easing everyone isn't hard - you just have to...do whatever it is this person is asking you to do:

If you’re gonna have a little person character, actually cast a little person while also giving them roles that aren’t specifically made for little people. It’s not that hard.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jason-wee-man-acu%C3%B1a-questions-the-casting-of-hugh-grant-as-an-oompa-loompa-and-show-white-casting.747652/post-109677487

[Uncle]

in other words make Oppenheimer, but make one of his friends a midget for no reason, and nobody ever makes reference to his size at all, he's just one of the guys, a normal person

[Boredfrom]

It sucks, but at the same time that makes their acting role possibilities even smaller unfortunately. These companies just won't cast them for anything.

That is also true… and kind of depressing:

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in other words make Oppenheimer, but make one of his friends a midget for no reason, and nobody ever makes reference to his size at all, he's just one of the guys, a normal person

I mean, someone in RE mentioned Bolivar Trask in Days of Future Past. They’re ways to do it, specially if you have a decent actor. 

Obviously, studios shouldn’t be forced but is telling they preferred to change dwarfs to hipsters over rewriting them to be more than magical comic relief dwarfs.

[benji]

The writing has been on wall for him for a while, unfortunately, and I know exactly which video you're talking about. He seems to try and frame his videos as just "letting people talk", but dude deliberately goes into what he knows is pure, unfiltered MAGA country and asks them deliberately provocative questions like "Are Biden's economic policies popular here?" or, “are Biden's border policies popular here? ".

He knows exactly what he's doing. Especially since, as you said, he never challenges anything these people say.
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It's a bummer because he does a lot of great stuff regarding bringing attention to Indian Reservations and the various problems they deal with a daily basis. As well as areas of the country that are legitimately impoverished and in desperate need of help. But this recent series on Appalachia is the last of his stuff I'll be watching.

So... what exactly is he doing that he knows exactly that he's doing?

And why is Appalachia "illegitimately" impoverished?

Appalachia gets covered all the time because its a bunch of poor white people. There's always a documentarian or two crawling around there.

Doesn't mean I don't feel bad for the people but I also got no illusions that they've not helped themselves much either by electing Republicans and lily livered Dixiecrats.

What would electing, say AOC, get them? Or Pol Pot, the actual guy not Nepenthe, for that matter?

[Snoopy]

Did anyone reply to the PS thread with boring sad dad simulators?*


*Before anyone gets all butthurt Xbox are shite too. Turn that thing on thinking, oh wow, what amazing exclusives will I play on my Game Pass subscription, and the answer is always fuck all

[HaughtyFrank]

And why is Appalachia "illegitimately" impoverished?

You don’t think Appalachia is legitimately impoverished and in desperate need of help?

It does need it, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot by voting for Republicans who fuck them over at every turn.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/had-to-purge-my-youtube-subs-after-some-of-the-creators-revealed-some-right-wing-leanings.695359/post-109687045

[FEUER FREI.]

that cunt is some little bitch from scotland that whines about his townsfolk and how he wishes he could move and live in some multicultural paradise, which i would bet in reality his townsfolk are actually a bunch of good people you can shoot the shit with and down to earth

but somehow he knows so much about apallachia

even as a european myself (not uk) i cannot pretend like i know the situation of an incredibly rural and impoverished area in usa i have never been in thats abandoned by giga cunt politicians

jesus christ i hate the perfomative posting in that shit site. as if he knows a thing about it, just parrots shit he sees some other americans think

[Nintex]

in other words make Oppenheimer, but make one of his friends a midget for no reason, and nobody ever makes reference to his size at all, he's just one of the guys, a normal person

In other words make Oppenheimer but Oppenheimer was a smart black woman who instantly invented nuclear fission in high school while yelling: "are you seeing this? I can't believe I made this" and the whole class clapped. At the same time in Germany they're trying to invent a nuclear bomb too but we see Heisenberg trip over some flasks and overall making comedic errors while trying to create the bomb and Hitler yells at him.

Then they created their own village to collect fellow scientists of all minority groups to develop the actual bomb and other super weapons. Those include jet planes, stealth technology and lasers. They is in a healthy relationship with a trans man while doing it, perfectly able to balance their work and life. Creating the bomb in just 3 days.
They adopt some Chinese and Jewish kids and create an orphanage at Los Alomos.  

When the bomb is completed they drop it on the Japanese Nazis and they also use the lasers and other super weapons. 
Actually these people weren't innocent but Nagasaki and Hiroshima were secret military sites.
We see amazing CG footage of the bombs exploding in both cities as well as the other super weapons. Taking down thousands of a new prototype of jet Zero planes as they lift off to bomb helpless China and millions of heavily armed Japanese soldiers. The Epic Final Battle of WW2 costs about $100 million to render and takes up about 1 hour of the movie.

Strauss is introduced as the real villain (even meeting with the Japanese general) but then immediately arrested for trying to sabotage their efforts on arms control. 
This is uncovered by a journalist who tails him to a American First rally and has a panic attack. The President now listens carefully to all Oppenheimer has to say and implements all of their proposals to the letter and agrees to never use the bomb or other super weapons again.

Cut to credits

After the credits we see a dark room deep inside the Kremlin. A young KGB officer finds some dusty papers with a nuclear logo on it. 
DUN DUN DUN

[jooseloose]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-do-you-associate-the-playstation-brand-with.747619/post-109671823

As of late? I don't even know. Most of my favorite Playstation franchises are dead, forever, and never coming back. Wild ARMs, Bloodborne, etc - that's the kind of stuff that I went out of my way to play over the past two and a half decades far as "Sony games" are concerned. So when I think of PS nowadays, I mostly just think of how there's really nothing left on the platform that excites me due to their complete abandonment of first party Japanese content.

Past their dead Japanese franchises, I guess it would have to be Uncharted, but Uncharted is dead right now too, and I really can't get excited about rumors of the franchise being outsourced to another developer. Without Naughty Dog, Uncharted is nothing.

It's really hard for me to look at games like TLOU and God of War and say they define the platform, because I don't WANT Playstation to be defined as a platform by aggressive amounts of ultraviolence and gore. I find that stuff really repulsive and I would rather Sony center their brand identity around something that's a lot less disgusting and unpleasant.

[Snoopy]

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that cunt is some little bitch from scotland that whines about his townsfolk and how he wishes he could move and live in some multicultural paradise, which i would bet in reality his townsfolk are actually a bunch of good people you can shoot the shit with and down to earth

Being that I’m the only Scottish cunt on here, what he is is a small town cunt who didn’t have the courage to move to Glasgow or Edinburgh. So what he’s doing is overcompensating and acting like he’s got all the answers. If you asked most people around here for their thoughts on the politics of Appalachia they’d look at you like you were a mental case. Not because they’re ignorant but because it’s so far out of their ken, it would be like asking someone from Appalachia what they think about the politics of Kilmarnock.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/japanese-man-spent-more-than-aud-22-000-to-become-a-border-collie-dog.747724/page-2#post-109689112

🤓s added context

Considering how the NYP almost assuredly phrased their article title to further attacks on trans people, I don’t see the issue with added context.

[Taco Bell Tower]

As Sony approaches the 30th anniversary of the PS1 and PlayStation as a whole in December of next year (2024). With Spyro and Crash now being Xbox I.Ps and Xbox mascots moving forward, I assume Sony won't use Crash and Spyro as their MAIN nostalgia push to celebrate the PS1. (They might still use them with the support of Mircrosoft but moving forward they might try to use their other first party I.Ps more as the future of Spyro and Crash turn to Xbox instead of PS).

So Era the question arises as to who you deem to be the next figure or figures you'd think of for Sony first party during that era when you factor out Crash and Spyro?


Who would it be? Or what Franchise would it be?

Robbit from Jumping Flash? Vib Ribbon? Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal? Dart from Legend of Dragoon? Any Wild Arms character? Parappa?


APE ESCAPE PIPO MONKEYS?!

Who do you think it is or should be?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/with-sony-losing-crash-bandicoot-and-spyro-the-dragon-what-is-now-the-defacto-sony-first-party-mascot-for-the-ps1.746569/#post-109541782
As usual, Ree people don't read OPs.

Good game tho!

[benji]

You don’t think Appalachia is legitimately impoverished and in desperate need of help?

It does need it, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot by voting for Republicans who fuck them over at every turn.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/had-to-purge-my-youtube-subs-after-some-of-the-creators-revealed-some-right-wing-leanings.695359/post-109687045

Again, how?

I know everyone over there is an expert on their fantasy politics but in the real world who you vote for President does not decide what laws you live under. Appalachia is not even a single state, let alone it's own country. Two of the states it's in have been controlled mostly by Democrats (New York, Pennsylvania) and another was until just recently (West Virginia) so presumably despite "shooting themselves in the foot" the selfless Democrats should have lifted them out of poverty by now.

The only alternative to fit this claim is that Democrats have been purposely refusing to help them because they vote for Republicans and well that just can't be right because that would be one of the very things that some people warn about when you move things from the peaceful voluntary cooperative processes into the hands of the state.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/japanese-man-spent-more-than-aud-22-000-to-become-a-border-collie-dog.747724/page-2#post-109689112

🤓s added context

Considering how the NYP almost assuredly phrased their article title to further attacks on trans people, I don’t see the issue with added context.

"Dave, great job on the article about the weird freak trying to live as a dog but I've got a problem with your headline, it just doesn't attack trans people enough. I'm going to have the boys in Trans Hate punch it up a little. Don't feel bad, all of us slip up from time to time, you can't go 24/7 hating trans people only Joanne has that kind of power. I'm sure she appreciates your contribution to our united sole cause anyway."

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-can%E2%80%99t-afford-to-be-climate-doomers-the-guardian.747616/#post-109674340

Also, eh, whatever. It seems like the majority of people in the world would be happier if me and people like me were dead so... I'm finding it harder and harder to care what happens to the world, honestly. If I'm going to find myself ending up being killed for who I am anyway, climate change tends to become less of a going concern.

Maybe I should be more selfless, I dunno. Just not feeling it recently though.

Which is to say, maybe if more people felt like the world was worth living in, they'd be more inclined to want to save it?

[AldusMoneyPenny]

It sucks, but at the same time that makes their acting role possibilities even smaller unfortunately. These companies just won't cast them for anything.

That is also true… and kind of depressing:

Oof at the bolded

It does need it, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot by voting for Republicans who fuck them over at every turn.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/had-to-purge-my-youtube-subs-after-some-of-the-creators-revealed-some-right-wing-leanings.695359/post-109687045

Again, how?

I know everyone over there is an expert on their fantasy politics but in the real world who you vote for President does not decide what laws you live under. Appalachia is not even a single state, let alone it's own country. Two of the states it's in have been controlled mostly by Democrats (New York, Pennsylvania) and another was until just recently (West Virginia) so presumably despite "shooting themselves in the foot" the selfless Democrats should have lifted them out of poverty by now.

The only alternative to fit this claim is that Democrats have been purposely refusing to help them because they vote for Republicans and well that just can't be right because that would be one of the very things that some people warn about when you move things from the peaceful voluntary cooperative processes into the hands of the state.

Because Rural = Republican chud in their minds

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-can%E2%80%99t-afford-to-be-climate-doomers-the-guardian.747616/#post-109674340

Also, eh, whatever. It seems like the majority of people in the world would be happier if me and people like me were dead so... I'm finding it harder and harder to care what happens to the world, honestly. If I'm going to find myself ending up being killed for who I am anyway, climate change tends to become less of a going concern.

Maybe I should be more selfless, I dunno. Just not feeling it recently though.

Which is to say, maybe if more people felt like the world was worth living in, they'd be more inclined to want to save it?

This is reasoned almost entirely backwards. It's really quite impressive.

[benji]

I dunno, this seems a little too victim-blamey for me. Seems weird to chide people for not having hope, when.. *gestures at everything*

No, no, I need something harder...

There's just not a reality where capitalism and fixing global warming can coexist.

This is essentially the problem. We fundamentally live under a political and economical system that from the outset was never actually meant to address large moral or ecological crises; it was meant to amass capital at the expense of everything and everyone else.

And now we're trying to hope and pray that the purveyors of that system get their act together in time to acquiesce their power so we can save ourselves and our environments. The time for dragging the fossil fuel barons out of their houses was in the 70s. And yet instead we're still sitting in these heatwaves hoping that A) science can come up with some magical cure-all that circumvents what we already know the solution to be (which is reducing carbon dioxide output) that B) can be implemented in our gridlocked political systems as fast as possible.

It's not happening Cap'n. And part of the reason it's not happening is because most people do not want to deal with the root issue, especially since they know they're not as fucked as the people in the Global South anyway so oh well.

Of course you're always going to have individuals who are not willing to budge on some certain action with regards to their energy usage. Even in a hypothetical alternative energy utopia, there's still gonna be people clamoring for real hamburgers. You absolutely need political and social reformation to come into play at this point, to force the government to make changes that are imparted upon everyone so that individuals' frames of thinking and moving have to shift. People are products of their environments. If you make an environment that is fundamentally in respect of and service to the environment, it follows that the people will be as well. What's in the way of that is capitalists who effectively own our governments are deadset on fucking up the Earth for short-term profits until there's nothing left to mine.

I have a few close friends who acknowledge how dire climate change is and what sort of drastic action is needed … but eat beef almost every day because they’ve decided that their individual choices don’t matter at all. It’s really frustrating, and it’s the exact sort of issue this thread is about.

Individual choice matters, but I think the degree to which it does can be overstated in lieu of the sheer power imbalance inherent in the systems we live under, especially considering we are probably on a shorter timetable than climatologists are willing to admit publicly. Couple this with Western notions of individualism and protagonist syndrome and you get folks who become paralyzed at the truth that their individual action alone will not save the planet.

I've always said in other threads that part of the problem with tackling large-scale issues is that it's a psychological battle as well, that people feel powerless in the face of it all and so just stop trying. I think what helps is to reframe the concept of their power. No one is asking any one person to save the world. We instead should be asking ourselves ways that we as individuals can get together to assert collective power (which means brushing up on social skills; sorry introverts and misanthropes). We should take inspiration from more communal modes of action in non-Western contexts. Hell, we might ought to see how the fuck like 30 MAGA assholes are able to get together and just change up the whole country's fucking school curriculum and shit like that.

The left is no stranger to individualism and martyrdom like any other political faction in the West. We're indoctrinated into toxic modes of thinking like anyone else; the issue is the disconnect between this learned behavior and the conscious realization that our status quo is intolerable. We need to let people know, first and foremost, that they're not alone.

I mean, plant based food being more readily accessible and prominent is not stopping the meat industry from destroying the planet, and it certainly isn't doing anything to the fossil fuel industry. Me going fully vegan today will not stop next year's heat wave. Everyone on Era going vegan won't stop that.

My view is that our current sociopolitical habits are in large part the result of rich entrepreneurs forcing large environmental changes on us through political lobbying at the expense of social well-being and science, because again we live in a capitalist system where these ethical considerations do not matter. I wasn't there at the meeting to decide that America should become a car-dependent as it is, for example. That's the fault of car companies. But I'm stuck in a world where that is the reality and I cannot afford an electric car right now. Telling me I'm a shitty person for driving a gas powered car means nothing. Work towards making it so that electric vehicles are the primary care on the road, along with less road-dependent infrastructure in general.

Of course this isn't a 1-to-1 with veganism because of the cost differential. My point is that I think we bog ourselves down too much in trying to incrementally change individual human behavior one person at a time, instead of spending our time on figuring out ways to actually force the political apparatus to bend to our will so we can achieve good collective outcomes through the force of the state. A lot more people will reduce their meat intake in a shorter amount of time if the state starts enforcing regulations and offering incentives that make it so that the collective has an easier and more sensible choice to access more plant-based offerings.

To me, it's like trying to cure a person of alcoholism by just telling them to consume less alcohol instead of getting them proper help. If you aren't addressing their situation and environment, inertia will work against you. And in the case of climate change, we literally don't have time to waste.

And yeah, the first world can afford that awesome "slow gradual progress" because we've amassed the necessary wealth and extracted the resources from the global south but the rest of the world don't have that luxury.

Right? Most of the people on Era are not going to be the main ones hit by climate change, so it's easy to be complacent about it.

Also I wonder how much time incrementalists think we have to avert the worst that is predicted. It's not a comfy 400 years for us to do the minimal amount possible to assuage feelings and give little time to adjust, I can tell you that much.

Im pretty ignorant about this topic, but isnt China the biggest responsible of carbon dioxide emition? so how is the opinion of western people gonna change China politics about this issue ? isnt this how they make most of their wealth?

If I'm correct about this, China is currently the world's most prominent producer but their output still does not actually come close to the total amount of carbon dioxide that the United States and Europe have emitted as a result of industrializing first. This is very much a problem of the West's making.

Ah, yeah, that's the ignorant idiotic stuff.

I didn't read anything else after I saw she was posting but I did see lots of angry doomer misanthropes anyway. Plus CCP propaganda. Also this fatty:

I think it's important to define what doomerism is for all of us. What is doomerism vs a person who is just feeling overwhelmed, hopeless, and not knowing where to start to even address shit like climate change?

For me, when I think of doomerism, I factor in a level of intentionality. Doomerists (new word) are choosing to engage that way. It's a part of their very position--that piecemeal isn't good enough and things won't ever change, and that discussion with them is impossible until you agree to those terms of engagement.

This is why I don't really fault the article for not positing solutions, because:

a) That's not the point of the article; you don't need to provide solutions to interrogate a mentality. I'll interrogate the mindset of racists all the live-long day, but fuck if I know how to make them not racist.

b) It's not that solutions don't exist or that doomerists don't know about them; it's that they don't care about them. This is how they're choosing to engage, regardless of the facts on the ground.

This is usually what I spot in people who are willing to lean on the thoughts that "nothing is changing" and "nobody is doing anything" despite participating in discussions where people are literally listing the things that are changing and the people that are indeed doing "the things." These people aren't unaware of the solutions; they're rejecting them as not good enough.

And you know what? To a point, this is fair. There's absolutely nothing wrong with insisting that movement by inches is not enough, and that we need to think bigger and bolder about global scale problems like climate change. This is correct and not doomerism, imo. When it becomes doomerism is when people default so much to this Big Grand Thing that ought to be done, but that people aren't doing "for reasons" to the point that they start seeing movement by inches as inhibitive to, or an actual enemy of, those larger goals, instead of the necessity they actually are. You can't make a running leap without taking a step.

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 You cannot create a climate-considerate world if you believe in indefinite growth, the current axiom to our global way of thinking.

This is what I’d actually want an article like this to be about. Not just policing tone dooming.

Like give me the economic model and blueprint to make GHG reversal real and THEN explain why that should make us more hopeful. Being cynical toward cynics without any substantive solutions is just creating another form of complacency and misplaced focus.

“Tone policing doom posting”. 

I think that is the point, that doom posting is inherently useless and is very different from being critical of mainstream solutions. The fact that you guys consider shit like Stop Oil valid forms combating climate change speaks more about how much prefer outright misanthropy over anyone having actual solutions that require more effort, like “compromise and reaching out”, than “bitch to others until they comply”.